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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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That's incredibly high mental stats for a creature like that.

I would have guessed some of the abilities from the Lovecraft story, but never that.
 
Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, I'm gonna flatly say Goldfish's vote does not accomplish anything and will result in a failure, but the only thing I can think of is expressing sympathy for their uncle's death and maybe offering to rectify it in a way that does not require killing people who by all reports have been limiting the damage committed to our enemies and not the small folk.

It's just terrible that there are bandits up to no good and giving us a bad reputation in the Stormlands... or were.

Basically we lost this exchange just from some shitty circumstances.

The Lads from the outset had people involved from several Riverlands loyalist houses, so we sacrificing them callously by offering to hunt down and kill them (or stage their deaths) isn't really possible either, because you don't trade the favor of multiple houses for one in a different region entirely. Pretty much for any reason.

We rolled shitty RNG dice.
 
I mean she isn't really that important. If she wants to stand against us on principle then I say "okay, may you have fortune in the wars to come"
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Imagine thinking that the Deep Ones don't have a space program :D

A Colour Out If Space has high Int : it can be "controlled" through Diplomacy, bribery and/or threats.
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Really? I didn't see that. I saw Ooze and it's behavior habits (Typical Ooze on larger scale) and just went "Okay, color eating space ooze.... Got it"
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
I mean she isn't really that important. If she wants to stand against us on principle then I say "okay, may you have fortune in the wars to come"
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Narratively I guess this just demonstrates that you can't save people from making stupid decisions based on limited experience except teaching them by example.

@DragonParadox I'm going to safely assume that she won't flatly say no just in case her Mom is like "uh he offered us what? Well I'm pissed but I also don't think Robert will win, so take the deal", but based on limited experience with interactions with them, can I safely assume her mom is probably hoping Robert and Tywin have some kind of hail mary planned? Or are they literally inconsolable in grief?

I mean did she love her brother as much as Oberyn loves Elia?

Maybe we should just offer to resurrect the dude. We could even track down the soul and say "hey sorry you bet on the wrong horse, want a mulligan?" if he doesn't accept, though that is going so far past bending over backwards that the only thing I can call this social encounter is literally impossible for anyone short of a fucking demigod to pull off.

I get it though, sometimes life is just that complicated and people are basically lemmings who want to die in dragonfire. It's very ASOIAF. Much grimdark.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Imagine if we took the domain of Dragons from her...I would cry tears of joy.
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We are unlikely to cut off an actual Domain.
And Dragons would be the hardest to grab that-a-way, too. Ridiculously so.

Whatever we do manage to cut off (or rather, if, we manage anything), would be enough to scry through Timmie-granted protections, like her dragons' Mindblanks.
Score, baby.
 
@DragonParadox, regarding Lady Errol...

Like @Crake has pointed out, she's flat out not experienced enough to understand the political realities of her situation. I don't know how to make her see which way the wind is blowing when she's hung up on her cousin dying in the Riverlands when he was the one who attacked The Lads.

We can't get her support via monetary benefits or magic items. We can't convince her that Robert Baratheon is simply unfit for the throne. As far as she's concerned nobody has been bothering her, so why should she stick her neck out? Am I getting that right?

Where do we go from here?
Crake said:
Narratively I guess this just demonstrates that you can't save people from making stupid decisions based on limited experience except teaching them by example.

@DragonParadox I'm going to safely assume that she won't flatly say no just in case her Mom is like "uh he offered us what? Well I'm pissed but I also don't think Robert will win, so take the deal", but based on limited experience with interactions with them, can I safely assume her mom is probably hoping Robert and Tywin have some kind of hail mary planned? Or are they literally inconsolable in grief?

I mean did she love her brother as much as Oberyn loves Elia?

Maybe we should just offer to resurrect the dude. We could even track down the soul and say "hey sorry you bet on the wrong horse, want a mulligan?" if he doesn't accept, though that is going so far past bending over backwards that the only thing I can call this social encounter is literally impossible for anyone short of a fucking demigod to pull off.

I get it though, sometimes life is just that complicated and people are basically lemmings who want to die in dragonfire. It's very ASOIAF. Much grimdark.
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Yeah, I'm getting that impression as well.
 
Duesal said:
Where do we go from here?
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We ignore her and go on a journey to Sothoryos?
:V

But really, I can't care less about a single house we don't diplomance, if other choice is spending yet more time on someone personaly not interested in being diplomanced.
 
egoo said:
We ignore her and go on a journey to Sothoryos?
:V

But really, I can't care less about a single house we don't diplomance, if other choice is spending yet more time on someone personaly not interested in being diplomanced.
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And give up without giving it our best? No. We're not leaving until it's absolutely clear she's determined to stay on the losing side. Right now she's just flailing in inexperience and grief. Hopefully in the next update she actually starts thinking about what we're offering.
 
Crake said:
Narratively I guess this just demonstrates that you can't save people from making stupid decisions based on limited experience except teaching them by example.

@DragonParadox I'm going to safely assume that she won't flatly say no just in case her Mom is like "uh he offered us what? Well I'm pissed but I also don't think Robert will win, so take the deal", but based on limited experience with interactions with them, can I safely assume her mom is probably hoping Robert and Tywin have some kind of hail mary planned? Or are they literally inconsolable in grief?

I mean did she love her brother as much as Oberyn loves Elia?

Maybe we should just offer to resurrect the dude. We could even track down the soul and say "hey sorry you bet on the wrong horse, want a mulligan?" if he doesn't accept, though that is going so far past bending over backwards that the only thing I can call this social encounter is literally impossible for anyone short of a fucking demigod to pull off.

I get it though, sometimes life is just that complicated and people are basically lemmings who want to die in dragonfire. It's very ASOIAF. Much grimdark.
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It bears keeping in mind that Shyra only brought up her cousin's death now when she is seemingly seriously considering flipping and not from the start. You are not talking to her mother you are talking to her.
 
DragonParadox said:
It bears keeping in mind that Shyra only brought up her cousin's death now when she is seemingly seriously considering flipping and not from the start. You are not talking to her mother you are talking to her.
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Okay, so there is a chance here.

Is the gist of her bringing up her cousin's death basically asking why it was necessary at all? I'm getting the feeling Shyra Errol was under the impression that had we stayed away forever that all of Westeros would have been perfectly fine, and that the lords would all be safe and in peace. Am I getting that right, @DragonParadox?
 
Duesal said:
Okay, so there is a chance here.

Is the gist of her bringing up her cousin's death basically asking why it was necessary at all? I'm getting the feeling Shyra Errol was under the impression that had we stayed away forever that all of Westeros would have been perfectly fine, and that the lords would all be safe and in peace. Am I getting that right, @DragonParadox?
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You are looking at this too broadly and systemically. From what Viserys can see she is just reacting to having her worldview challenged. Viserys accused Robert of being dishonorable in a way that was believable in spite of herself, so she confronted Viserys with his own dishonorable doings. It looks like she is trying to get her balance back, whether that is going back to her original position or reaching a new one. The reason for the faux pas is that she is hanging over a mental precipice.
 
Duesal said:
Okay, so there is a chance here.

Is the gist of her bringing up her cousin's death basically asking why it was necessary at all? I'm getting the feeling Shyra Errol was under the impression that had we stayed away forever that all of Westeros would have been perfectly fine, and that the lords would all be safe and in peace. Am I getting that right, @DragonParadox?
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Hard to say, DP pointed out she was not past the point of consideration of flipping, but also agreed that she was acting impulsively.
 
Crake said:
Hard to say, DP pointed out she was not past the point of consideration of flipping, but also agreed that she was acting impulsively.
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It's precisely because she is considering flipping that she is acting impulsively, she is frightened not for her safety but of staining her House's reputation forevermore, of proving herself as unworthy of her position as her detractors claimed. Of course from any pragmatic perspective that is meaningless, history is written by the winners and all, but she is an idealist who left many of the practical dealings to her mother so far.
 
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