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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
Reminds me of something that makes me feel weird and slightly uncomfortable.

All the interludes, that have been immediately brought under "canon" status, they are good...
But that many? And dealing with subjects as important, and as large as worldbuilding of the scale they took up?
The way he started to speak for characters/organizations OOC acting in some way as a fact?

It honestly feels like @Crake took up being the co-qm in some aspects.
And I'm not complaining!..
But, well, I have a reflexive "ABORT, DON'T WANT" reaction to players taking over worldbuilding to that degree over other quests I witnessed.

@Crake, I trust you, to not use this in any negaative a way, and not abuse anyone's trust into making the world more positively aligned to us, than it has any right to be.
I also enjoy the interludes, write-ups, and the such quite a lot.

But I feel immensly weird, by how much of an impact on world-building you are making compared to what was before, and I feel the need to voice that, before that feeling starts growing into anything more negative on my part.

(I hope I'm making sense here. I also ope not to offend you, DP, or anyone else with this)
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:facepalm: I'm asking Crake because he was the one who orchestrated the last turn plan.
 
Duesal said:
I feel like Mors deserves a bit more recognition. He was the reason we went to House Thenn at all, he was there when we captured the Mythic Ancient Wight Lord, he witnessed our second Mythic Tier, and now he's one of Amrelath's companions.

... Speaking of Amrelath's companions, he should now have three Fire Giants. @Crake, are they mainly just getting used to living in Sorcerer's Deep for the time being?
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They are doing whatever the scary dragon asks them to do. Probably that. Had to hide 12+ feet tall dudes and dudettes with fire-hair. As in, hair that is literally fire.
 
egoo said:
Reminds me of something that makes me feel weird and slightly uncomfortable.

All the interludes, that have been immediately brought under "canon" status, they are good...
But that many? And dealing with subjects as important, and as large as worldbuilding of the scale they took up?
The way he started to speak for characters/organizations OOC actiong in some way as a fact?

It honestly feels like @Crake took up being the co-qm in some aspects.
And I'm not complaining!..
But, well, I have a reflexive "ABORT, DON'T WANT" reaction to players taking over worldbuilding to that degree over other quests I witnessed.

@Crake, I trust you, to not use this in any negaative a way, and not abuse anyone's trust into making the world more positively aligned to us, than it has any right to be.
I also enjoy the interludes, write-ups, and the such quite a lot.

But I feel immensly weird, by how much of an impact on world-building you are making compared to what was before, and I feel the need to voice that, before that feeling starts growing into anything more negative on my port.

(I hope I'm making sense here. I also ope not to offend you, DP, or anyone else with this)
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Personally I'm not offended and I do get the concern. Keep in mind the dice are still with me and so is the plot advancement. While @Crake is doing a great job filling in the spaces I do not have the time to cover he is not doing anything different from usual with canon omakes in this quest, he is world-building around the storytelling decisions made by vote in following plot-threads I as the GM set up.
 
egoo said:
Reminds me of something that makes me feel weird and slightly uncomfortable.

All the interludes, that have been immediately brought under "canon" status, they are good...
But that many? And dealing with subjects as important, and as large as worldbuilding of the scale they took up?
The way he started to speak for characters/organizations OOC acting in some way as a fact?

It honestly feels like @Crake took up being the co-qm in some aspects.
And I'm not complaining!..
But, well, I have a reflexive "ABORT, DO NOT WANT" reaction to players taking over worldbuilding to that degree over other quests I witnessed.

@Crake, I trust you, to not use this in any negaative a way, and not abuse anyone's trust into making the world more positively aligned to us, than it has any right to be.
I also enjoy the interludes, write-ups, and the such quite a lot.

But I feel immensly weird, by how much of an impact on world-building you are making compared to what was before, and I feel the need to voice that, before that feeling starts growing into anything more negative on my part.

(I hope I'm making sense here. I also ope not to offend you, DP, or anyone else with this)
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At this point I just throw darts at the board in line with previously established information and facts, and if it in anyway conflicts with @DragonParadox's notes I expect he'll be certain to speak up.

But what do I know? I'm only ever encouraging other posters to contribute to planning and record keeping and world building just as much as I ever do so and also flatly say that my presence here isn't anymore important nor necessary than anyone else's. This quest could survive without my help TBPH.
 
Crake said:
At this point I just throw darts at the board in line with previously established information and facts, and if it in anyway conflicts with @DragonParadox's notes I expect he'll be certain to speak up.

But what do I know? I'm only ever encouraging other posters to contribute to planning and record keeping and world building just as much as I ever do so and also flatly say that my presence here isn't anymore important nor necessary than anyone else's. This quest could survive without my help TBPH.
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I'll be the first to say you are doing a crap ton of work with bookkeeping. We'd be in actual trouble if you ever left.
 
egoo said:
Yes you are.
And that reminded me of an "issue" I needed to air before I overthinked it into something worse.
Just that, nothing else :/
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I think it's nothing to worry about just yet, a few people who were struggling with strategic actions were talking about reading up on it. Goldfish said he would try to help me plan them next time, and people come out in droves to suggest things like minor actions, which people have just as much if not more investment in as they do mechanical decisions, so it is a very large cooperative effort, still.
 
Just the other day, @Crake wrote an interlude of Gerold suddenly being awesome and confident (he'd previously been portrayed as nervous, still growing into his role), and then asked for a levelup for him.
Writing interludes for levelups, really? Ugh.

In any case @egoo, I've had a lot of nitpicks about Crake's latest omakes - things like farmers having bank accounts, uneducated people using surprising lexical fields, a few anachronistic words here and there... I try to focus on those whenever I get annoyed about bigger decisions that I was hoping DP would write an interlude about. Because when Crake writes a canon omake about Viserys reshapign the earth, that's a cool topic that DP won't bother with !
And when I focus on minor nitpicks, I shut up and don't start this argument. Now that you've done it, well... I wanted to chime in.
 
Crake said:
But what do I know? I'm only ever encouraging other posters to contribute to planning and record keeping and world building just as much as I ever do so and also flatly say that my presence here isn't anymore important nor necessary than anyone else's. This quest could survive without my help TBPH.
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This quest is about far more than making do and continuing, I would personally miss you a great deal and so would many others, not merely for what you write or for your votes/planing but simply for your company.
 
I don't want Crake to leave. He's great fun as a shitposter, sometimes writes nice Omakes, and when he bothers to post an idea (yes! do it again Crake!) it's usually a good one.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
No, the Mindblanked ones will simply be skipped over, because again, that's how Mindblank actually works. Invisible and intangible to divination.
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Not after we establish Imperial Deity and have it help us out on divining :drevil:
If Father can do that near Seven's sept, ID could certainly do that within Emperium's borders.
 
Crake said:
Yeah, that's something anyone could do though, and I would be happy to teach people how to do so if they are genuinely interested or confused.
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Sure, but it's still a lot of work that people don't want to do. You've been doing us all a huge favor by taking care of that.

Also, I've really been enjoying your omakes.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Just the other day, @Crake wrote an interlude of Gerold suddenly being awesome and confident (he'd previously been portrayed as nervous, still growing into his role), and then asked for a levelup for him.
Writing interludes for levelups, really? Ugh.

In any case @egoo, I've had a lot of nitpicks about Crake's latest omakes - things like farmers having bank accounts, uneducated people using surprising lexical fields, a few anachronistic words here and there... I try to focus on those whenever I get annoyed about bigger decisions that I was hoping DP would write an interlude about. Because when Crake writes a canon omake about Viserys reshapign the earth, that's a cool topic that DP won't bother with !
And when I focus on minor nitpicks, I shut up and don't start this argument. Now that you've done it, well... I wanted to chime in.
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That's all pretty fair. The word usage especially is stuff I am all for reshaping to not draw people out of the story depending on the character, I just have pretty set writing patterns and don't do much editing on omakes for the most part to try to differentiate voices.

The whole "Gerold sounding confident where before he was nervous" was supposed to signify character growth. Though how PCs can earn XP for doing turn actions but minor characters with not very powerful classes like Gerold can't escapes me at the moment, when DP has established that there are apparently Lords with par 5+ levels in similar administrative character classes, and that's largely what Gerold does these days, just with hazard pay.

Finally, if y'all want other people to have more to do with shaping the narrative than I do... that would probably involve other people stepping up to write, or DP just flatly saying no more canon omakes except in the rarest cases where they are compartmentalized stories that have no greater effect on shaping the world.

It's all the same to me, really.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Just the other day, @Crake wrote an interlude of Gerold suddenly being awesome and confident (he'd previously been portrayed as nervous, still growing into his role), and then asked for a levelup for him.
Writing interludes for levelups, really? Ugh.
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I think you are being a bit unfair here, there was no transaction there (I hate that kind of system in quests, it lads to churning out mediocre stuff). @Crake did not write expecting a level up, just asked about it with the same occasion as writing an omake and thinking about it, it made sense to me that Gerold have a level up.
 
Crake said:
The whole "Gerold sounding confident where before he was nervous" was supposed to signify character growth. Though how PCs can earn XP for doing turn actions but minor characters with not very powerful classes like Gerold can't escapes me at the moment, when DP has established that there are apparently Lords with par 5+ levels in similar administrative character classes, and that's largely what Gerold does these days, just with hazard pay.
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That made perfect sense tome hence why I said yes to the level up

Now I really need to go to bed since it's twenty minutes to 2 AM for me.
 
Duesal said:
I'll be the first to say you are doing a crap ton of work with bookkeeping. We'd be in actual trouble if you ever left.
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This.
TalonofAnathrax said:
I don't want Crake to leave. He's great fun as a shitposter, sometimes writes nice Omakes, and when he bothers to post an idea (yes! do it again Crake!) it's usually a good one.
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Also this.
TalonofAnathrax said:
In any case @egoo, I've had a lot of nitpicks about Crake's latest omakes - things like farmers having bank accounts, uneducated people using surprising lexical fields, a few anachronistic words here and there... I try to focus on those whenever I get annoyed about bigger decisions that I was hoping DP would write an interlude about. Because when Crake writes a canon omake about Viserys reshapign the earth, that's a cool topic that DP won't bother with !
And when I focus on minor nitpicks, I shut up and don't start this argument. Now that you've done it, well... I wanted to chime in.
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And some bits of that, too.
I, too, disagreed with some point on few occasions, and them immediatelyy being "canon" with the entirety of the omake is in large part what got me into uncomfortable mindset.

Crake said:
or DP just flatly saying no more canon omakes except in the rarest cases where they are compartmentalized stories that have no greater effect on shaping the world.
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Honestly? I would actually prefer that.
But then we'd lose a huge front for omakes from everyone, and those have been coming steadily (if slooooowly) over the course of thousands and thousands of pages.
So, I suppose I have no choice but to shut up, enjoy your omakes, and ravenously pinpoint stuff I don't agree with if any arises :V
 
egoo said:
Honestly? I would actually prefer that.
But then we'd lose a huge front for omakes from everyone, and those have been coming steadily (if slooooowly) over the course of thousands and thousands of pages.
So, I suppose I have no choice but to shut up, enjoy your omakes, and ravenously pinpoint stuff I don't agree with if any arises :V
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It does seem a bit like complaining about being spoon/fork-fed edible gold sprinkled ice cream or cake from one of those hyper-expensive New York outlets. :V
 
Crake said:
It does seem a bit like complaining about being spoon/fork-fed edible gold sprinkled ice cream or cake from one of those hyper-expensive New York outlets. :V
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Ouch, it burns.
Not inaccurate, I suppose :V

But speaking about being an entitled asshole...
@Goldfish! Worm and/or Shadowrun crossover!
@Duesal! More Pseudodragon goodness!
Chop-chop!
(And @Crake? We still remember that promise for Vee in Stranger Things :drevil:)
 
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Just a final bit of information, because @egoo has gotten me ruminating on the subject since the same happened with Azel before and I was the one to bring it up in the first place, largely with the same queasy and dissatisfied feelings cropping up about having immense clout despite not being the signifying plot and story writer.

If people think that I should fully take on some kind of clerical role and then have DP roll every action that takes places before doing any writing, I can touch up updates with him and people like @TalonofAnathrax for lexicon and grammar issues and have him post each update, effectively just giving us a higher post rate and also increasing their quality and making them fit with the rest of the quest in a pleasing manner.

The issue? I'm not going to post plans or ideas anymore, same conflict of interest I complained about with the aforementioned incidence. Perfectly happy to continue things like keeping track of charts like the one I just made and other similar stuff. I just wouldn't be influencing discussion as much anymore so it stays "fair".

For the record, I'm perfectly happy with the way things are, and would be perfectly happy if I stopped posting omakes, or just posted omakes after they have been thoroughly nitpicked by everyone for a moratorium amount of time before canonization.

Whatever people want.
 
Crake said:
Just a final bit of information, because @egoo has gotten me ruminating on the subject since the same happened with Azel before and I was the one to bring it up in the first place, largely with the same queasy and dissatisfied feelings cropping up about having immense clout despite not being the signifying plot and story writer.

If people think that I should fully take on some kind of clerical role and then have DP roll every action that takes places before doing any writing, I can touch up updates with him and people like @TalonofAnathrax for lexicon and grammar issues and have him post each update, effectively just giving us a higher post rate and also increasing their quality and making them fit with the rest of the quest in a pleasing manner.

The issue? I'm not going to post plans or ideas anymore, same conflict of interest I complained about with the aforementioned incidence. Perfectly happy to continue things like keeping track of charts like the one I just made and other similar stuff. I just wouldn't be influencing discussion as much anymore so it stays "fair".

For the record, I'm perfectly happy with the way things are, and would be perfectly happy if I stopped posting omakes, or just posted omakes after they have been thoroughly nitpicked by everyone for a moratorium amount of time before canonization.

Whatever people want.
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Nah, I prefer the current system with no changes. Your replies and DP's clarification have changed my view of things. Keep calm and carry on.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Nah, I prefer the current system with no changes. Your replies and DP's clarification have changed my view of things. Keep calm and carry on.
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Pretty much this, yes.
Eargh, I hate being sleepy, and having even less of a way to formulate my thoughts/feelinhgs into phrases.
I've been answering with "This" way too much >_<
 
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