Unless they're goblins, then you have to educate them on not doing that themselves.

I'd still be... Rather-ing(?) not, but oh how I wish we could find Goblins and uplift the little bastards.

Still holding out for Sothyros Jungle Goblins, for now Rogueish little valyrians is as close as we have at the moment, we'll have Kobolds once we have a Flesh Forge (@TotallyNotEvil :ogles:)
 
Canon Omake: Adventurous Eats
It does seem a bit like complaining about being spoon/fork-fed edible gold sprinkled ice cream or cake from one of those hyper-expensive New York outlets. :V

Funny you brought this up. Because you see, there is this shop in Sorcerer's Deep...


Adventurous Eats


Eight Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Shula called the Unhinged, is one of the few who have the right to say he's a true native of the Deep. Born and raised on the Grey Gallows, not that many still calls the island by that name these days, he lived all his life under the shadow of the Blood Crag Fortress and survived five Pirate Lords who all availed of his craft save one. The accursed Damphair. Thus when the dragon swept them all with a tide of magic, and the new bosses politely declined his services after showing how amulets against poisoning works, Shula found an opportunity to make a living based on his experiences.

"So there I was, covered in shroud and left for dead. Except I can hear every single thing they are saying, Nudia." he pulled up the fat rat by its tail. "I gave the pallbearers quite a fright when I jumped off screaming after they tossed me in the grave. And that's how I know what happens if you eat a pufferfish!" He dropped the fat rat among its squeaking fellows and brought the basket over to the awaiting serpentfolk.

Polite folk, these unblinking ones. They don't even call him out when he's rambling... unlike that foul mouthed horse-boy and his dour friend sitting beside them.

"You're speaking out loud again, Shula." said the horse-boy. "Is that really a way to greet your loyal customers?"

"Bah, speak aloud or in my head, dem snakiness can hear me the same. Don't you Vrazildri? Not that you want to look inside my head do you? Or did my spleen brain told you some lies about me again?" the owner (and only employee) of Deathly Bites rambled on.

The serpentfolk, ever polite ignored him. Thesse look like a fine meal, what do you recommend for ssauce?

The mad proprietor of the most intriguing cookhouse of The Deep grabbed a jar from a nearby shelf, a pot from the table before him, and a vial from his robes. "Tonic of fly agaric, makes a man lose his wits. Powdered hemlock, poisons his body, and mix it with hot peppers from Dorne steeped in oil." His hands gloved in leather, pour, smear and mix the substances together. "I recommend you dip Mandu first. He's the squemish one with a white tail."

The snake-man ignored him as usual and picked a different rat. Vormos... or is it Netto? The black ones always give him trouble telling apart.

"He's still at it, Django. Still naming his rats." The dour boy spoke, which Shula ignored of course, while watching as Vrazildri bled the rat into his mixture, dip it fur and all, then gobbled it in one go.

"Well?" Shula, mad cook and former poison taster nervously asked as the serpentfolk just stood there as if stunned.

Vrazildri took a gulp as the amulet she wore flashed bright for a moment. Itss good. Tangy and earthy and furry... Now I am envissioning I am growing fur... the mushroom?

"Interesting! So fly agaric works on reptiles too, huh?" Shula eagerly noted while pulling out other odds and ends from around his shop. When he finally sent his snakey patrons their way with full stomachs, he ran out of arsenic and milk of the poppy. So light on his steps he approached his human clients stating, "No milk for today. No restful bliss for you both."

The two shrugged while wearing the complementary amulets required for any to partake his wares. "Well, what do you have that's great with steak then?" The dour boy replied.

Shula pondered, then remembered what happened a month back. He went to the back of his shop and found the pot of chopped rye ergots steeped in wine, then brought it back to his clients. "I don't know what this is, but it made me taste the rainbow for a whole afternoon. Let's roast your steak, then pour this in and see what happens!"

And after that repast, that day started to become known in The Deep, as the Day of the Three Jolly Horsemen.


Notes: Remember that joke about Viserys doing a taste test with poisons? Well, for folk with money to throw away, Deathly Bites offers you tastes to die for (which of course you won't, as you're wearing amulets against poisoning), provided you can stand it's proprietor's madness and tendency to experiment. Our emerging epicureans didn't expect quite the trip.

Edits: Removed the taxidermy stuff.
 
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Funny you brought this up. Because you see, there is this shop in Sorcerer's Deep...


Adventurous Eats


Eight Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Shula called the Unhinged, is one of the few who have the right to say he's a true native of the Deep. Born and raised on the Grey Gallows, not that many still calls the island by that name these days, he lived all his life under the shadow of the Blood Crag Fortress and survived five Pirate Lords who all availed of his craft save one. The accursed Damphair. So when he was offered a position with the fancy sounding as Royal Taxidermist, what's a failed pirate aught to do? Not to mention, a freaking dragon asks you to do it.

It proved to be the biggest mistake and boon of his life.

"I swear the dead thing in amber was looking at me. It's eyes are blue, Nudia! It kept following me everywhere!" he pulled up the fat rat by tail. "It almost stopped me from stuffing the dog-thing they got from Valyria. Almost being the word! I'm a professional after all!" He dropped the fat rat among its squeaking fellows and brought the basket over to the awaiting serpentfolk.

Polite folk, these unblinking ones. They don't even call him out when he's rambling... unlike that foul mouthed horse-boy and his dour friend sitting beside them.

"You're speaking out loud again, Shula." said the horse-boy. "Is that really a way to greet your loyal customers?"

"Bah, speak aloud or in my head, dem snakiness can hear me the same. Don't you Vrazildri? Not that you want to look inside my head do you? Or did my spleen brain told you some lies about me again?" the owner (and only employee) of Deathly Bites rambled on.

The serpentfolk, ever polite ignored him. Thesse look like a fine meal, what do you recommend for ssauce?

The mad proprietor of the most intriguing cookhouse of The Deep grabbed a jar from a nearby shelf, a pot from the table before him, and a vial from his robes. "Tonic of fly agaric, makes a man lose his wits. Powdered hemlock, poisons his body, and mix it with hot peppers from Dorne steeped in oil!" His hands gloved in leather, pour, smear and mix the substances together. "I recommend you dip Mandu first. He's the squemish one with a white tail."

The snake-man ignored him as usual and picked a different rat. Vormos... or is it Netto? The black ones always give him trouble telling apart.

"He's still at it, Django. Still naming his rats!" The dour boy spoke, which Shula ignored of course, while watching as Vrazildri bled the rat into his mixture, dip it fur and all, then gobbled it in one go.

"Well?" Shula, mad cook and part time taxidermist nervously asked as the serpentfolk stood there as if stunned.

Vrazildri took a gulp as the amulet she wore flashed bright for a moment. Itss good. Tangy and earthy and furry... Now I am envissioning I am growing fur... the mushroom?

"Interesting! So fly agaric works on reptiles to, huh?" Shula eagerly noted while pulling out other odds and ends from around his shop. When he finally sent his snakey patrons their way with full stomachs, he ran out of arsenic and milk of the poppy. So light on his steps he approached his human clients stating, "No milk for today. No restful bliss for you both."

The two shrugged while wearing the complementary amulets required for any to partake his wares. "Well, what do you have that's great with steak then?" The dour boy replied.

Shula pondered, then remembered what happened a month back. He went to the back of his shop and found the pot of chopped rye ergots steeped in wine, then brought it back to his clients. "I don't know what this is, but it made me taste the rainbow for a whole afternoon. Let's roast your steak, then pour this in and see what happens!"

And after that repast, that day started to become known in The Deep, as the Day of the Three Jolly Horsemen.


Notes: Remember that joke about Viserys doing a taste test with poisons? Well, for folk with money to throw away, Deathly Bites offers you tastes to die for (which of course you won't, as you're wearing amulets against poisoning), provided you can stand it's proprietor's madness and tendency to experiment. Our emerging epicureans didn't expect quite the trip.

This is hilarious but I can't quite believe that a taxidermist would have any business in the Deep before we got here, nor even the best sub-cap NPC could perform with the corpses we give them even if it wasn't a state secrets issue we would leave to Vee.

However I am willing to be convinced by tales of his prior work:ogles:
 
Westeros Loyalty Chart
Stormlands

House Baratheon of Storm's End: Loyalist

House Caron: Neutral - Hostile (Lord Stannis)

House Morrigen: Neutral - Hostile (Lord Stannis)

House Wylde: Loyalist

House Swann: Loyalist - Ally (Lord Stannis)

House Grandison: Loyalist - Ally (Lord Stannis)

House Staedmon: Loyalist - Ally (Lord Stannis)

House Buckler: Neutral - Unsteady (Overwhelming Force)

House Cafferen: Neutral - Hostile (House Targaryen)

House Fell: Loyalist

House Connington: Loyalist

House Trant: Opposed (House Baratheon of King's Landing)

House Dondarrion: Opposed (House Baratheon of King's Landing)

House Peasebury: Opposed (House Baratheon of King's Landing)

House Penrose: Opposed (House Baratheon of King's Landing)

House Whitehead: Opposed (House Baratheon of King's Landing)

House Estermont: Neutral - Unsteady (Conflict of Interest)

House Errol: Neutral - Mercenary

House Tarth: Loyalist


Riverlands


House Darry: Loyalist

House Mooton:
Loyalist - Steady (Strong Heir)

House Blanetree:
Loyalist - Ally (House Cox)

House Terrick:
Loyalist - Rebellious (Ser Karl Terrick) - Ally (House Cox)

House Goodbrook:
Loyalist - Rebellious (Ser Garse Goodbrook)

House Frey:
Loyalist - Mercenary (Highest Bidder)

House Hawick:
Loyalist - Rebellious (Ser Harold Hawick)

House Rygar:
Loyalist - Unsteady (Conflict of Interest)

House Blackwood:
Neutral - Steady (House Targaryen)

House Bracken:
Neutral - Unsteady (Rivalry)

House Keath:
Neutral - Hostile (House Targaryen)

House Lolliston:
Neutral - Mercenary

House Lychester:
Neutral - Mercenary (Impoverished)

House Roote:
Neutral - Belligerent

House Shawney:
Neutral

House Smallwood:
Neutral - Sympathetic (House Targaryen)

House Vypren:
Neutral - Unsteady (Pious)

House Whent:
Neutral - Steady (House Targaryen)

House Tully:
Opposed - Unsteady (Cornered)

House Deddings:
Opposed - Unknown

House Grell:
Opposed - Unknown

House Mallister:
Opposed (House Tully)

House Paege:
Opposed - Unknown

House Piper:
Opposed (House Tully)

House Vance of Atranta:
Opposed (House Tully)

House Vance of Wayfarer's Rest:
Opposed (House Tully)

House Wayn:
Opposed - Unknown

Note: I will be adding blurbs to most of these to summarize basic information as to their relationship with us or our enemies as appropriate and over time. @Duesal offered to help me track down some of this stuff, but as a note I'm just starting with the Stormlands because it was relevant. Any alterations to these statuses will be updated as the situation changes.

Updated with help from @Duesal.

Next up is the Crownlands.
 
Great work @Takesis I love these stories of how magic changes society in unexpected ways.

Uhh Canon DP?

The schizophrenic somehow taxidermist who blithely talks about things like Amber Sarcophagused Lich and/or Other Champions to anyone who will listen?

I don't believe we would have such poor practices, Vee and Lya should be responsible for that, it's normally done with Fabrication pretty explicitly anyway.
 
Uhh Canon DP?

The schizophrenic somehow taxidermist who blithely talks about things like Amber Sarcophagused Lich and/or Other Champions to anyone who will listen?

I don't believe we would have such poor practices, Vee and Lya should be responsible for that, it's normally done with Fabrication pretty explicitly anyway.

Fair enough, he would not know about those things, taking off the canon tag. Still very fun omake.
 
Updated with help from @Duesal.

Next up is the Crownlands.

I'm struggling to see a consistent rule with the shorthand information, could you please help clarify these examples.

E.g.
House Cafferen: Neutral - Hostile (House Targaryen)

House Penrose: Opposed (House Baratheon of King's Landing)

House Blackwood: Neutral - Steady (House Targaryen)
 
That's basically as consistent as I can get it while still conveying important information--blurbs were supposed to go underneath each as I get to them which clarifies their political entanglements.

Basically, "Steady" means that our overtures towards them are heavily in our favor in the case of Neutral parties, meaning all of our political goals are aligned or proceeding as expected, or in the case of a Loyalist house, this signifies that a House which was only conditionally loyal now has some kind of factor which ensures that loyalty.

Opposed means they are opposed to us, which a qualifier for why in shorthand expands upon (loyalty to House Baratheon of King's Landing, loyalty to House Tully). Again, all this information is supposed to be clearly communicated in a couple of sentences, sometimes a short paragraph, but I haven't added it yet.

Hostile, same deal. They are hostile towards either House Targaryen, or its interests are intrinsically maligned against them.
 
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That's basically as consistent as I can get it while still conveying important information--blurbs were supposed to go underneath each as I get to them which clarifies their political entanglements.

Basically, "Steady" means that our overtures towards them are heavily in our favor in the case of Neutral parties, meaning all of our political goals are aligned or proceeding as expected, or in the case of a Loyalist house, this signifies that a House which was only conditionally loyal now has some kind of factor which ensures that loyalty.

Opposed means they are opposed to us, which a qualifier for why in shorthand expands upon (loyalty to House Baratheon of King's Landing, loyalty to House Tully). Again, all this information is supposed to be clearly communicated in a couple of sentences, sometimes a short paragraph, but I haven't added it yet.

Hostile, same deal. They are hostile towards either House Targaryen, or its interests are intrinsically maligned against them.

Right, so things like Hostile (House Targaryen) and Opposed (House Baratheon) are conflicting in the message they portray, you would assume that they should be operating similarly but are in fact nearly the exact opposite.
 
There's a qualitative difference to being aligned with an enemy or faction and being hostile to our own interests.

The chart is inherently biased. It only gives information relevant to political acts undertaken by us. It is useless in that context to anyone else.

For instance, a House can have some kind of grievance against us but has actively rebuffed attempts by our enemies to bring them under their own umbrella of aligned noble Houses. Stannis has the capability to attempt a diplomatic overture towards House Cafferen, because as much as they might dislike House Targaryen for its part in the death of the previous Lord, we know it is entirely possible for the complex web of feudal alliances to allow for smaller Houses to truck with more influential ones based on feelings other than mercenary interest, and for that reason alone "Mercenary" in the context of being fully willing to sell your loyalty for a fixed price deserves to be marked down on the chart, because it contextualized what actions can be taken toward or against them.
 
With that said, again, there's only a certain minimum level of consistency that can be maintained when relations based politics are so pluralized. Giving info-blurbs was the best idea I could come up with.

If you have a better way to append individual status (it seems to me you're just implying shorthand should convey even less information than it already does), I can only infer you would set the chart up with a different motive.

Obviously every House cannot be described with one keyword that exemplifies the end-all, be-all status which should signal the objectively correct action to take, yet in the narrative @DragonParadox has presented, a single stand-out fact exemplifies interactions of that political entity with other entities.

It is up to the writer to add depth and breadth to the motives of the characters involved, but organizing our priorities is the entire point of the chart.

Edit: I see what you mean about that last part though. Rather than 'Opposed', perhaps Disposed or Aligned would be a better term?
 
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Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 10, 2019 at 4:33 AM, finished with 130 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Offer Lady Lynda Wylde sanctuary in Sorcerer's Deep
    -[X] The Deep is safer until her return to life can be revealed. We can make arrangements for regular visitation with little issue.
    -[X] While in the Deep, Lynda Wylde would receive a considerably safer and far more thorough magical education. We could try to accomodate if she decides she wishes to stay instead, but it wouldn't be nearly as good as if she'd studied in the Scholarum.
    --[X] Highlight that her magic is something we haven't actually seen before, and having her watched over by experts would probably be best just in case.
    -[X] Even if Lynda did decide to stay and we gave her a Greater Ribbon of Disguise, recent events will make hiding in plain sight rather difficult. A suspicious courtier could easily sniff out a cover story we put forth.
    --[X] If, however, they don't budge, give Lynda a Greater Ribbon of Disguise and help her and her father work on a cover story, while arranging for some study material to be sent to her until she can actually learn under a teacher.
 
@Crake, I need some explanation on "Westerosi Loyalty Chart".
What does this color-coding mean?
I'm throughly lost, with some "Aligned" being for Robert and in red, and some hostile (to Stannis?) and in red..?
Yeeeah, I need a general explanation on code-phrases used.
I feel stupid :confused:
 
@Crake, I need some explanation on "Westerosi Loyalty Chart".
What does this color-coding mean?
I'm throughly lost, with some "Aligned" being for Robert and in red, and some hostile (to Stannis?) and in red..?
Yeeeah, I need a general explanation on code-phrases used.
I feel stupid :confused:
If you think GOOD and BAD is sufficient enough information, I posit thus... have you ever weighed in on a political decision recently? :V
 
If you think GOOD and BAD is sufficient enough information, I posit thus... have you ever weighed in on a political decision recently? :V
I don't get who is on our side, and why. Nor who is on Robert's/their own side.
That's why I'm asking.
:/
 
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Loyalists are Targ Fanboys.

Everyone else is trying to sell out like a punk, trying to play out their revenge fantasies, or a sucker.

Also seriously? I hope you're being sarcastic, because a basic facet of reading the updates would tell you in general terms who's our enemy and who's our ally.

It's... it's a medieval political fantasy. I get it, D&D is a huge part of the quest, but the motives of the main character are basically founded in relations based feudal politics.

If you can't follow the bare minimum play-by-play of Game of Thrones either by I dunno, picking up the books or watching the show (which more often than not kills character arcs more than they do actual characters), how can y'all complain about not being able to follow a chart which at its core just tells you what would be a good stance to take toward the aristocracy in our backwater hellhole birthright?
 
I see what you mean about that last part though. Rather than 'Opposed', perhaps Disposed or Aligned would be a better term?

I'm not sure on a fix, I get it after the "everything is in relation to us" lens, this was the part that was confusing me hence the targeted examples.

I can see why egoo might have been confused, without a key or descriptor even starting with the correct assumption seeing something unexpected to the perceived rule undermines your confidence in your assumptions and there's nothing concrete to fall back on.
 
It's pretty WIP so the basic assumption was that you would be told everything relevant right off the bat anyway once completed.
 
Maybe it's because I have a minor compulsion to color code things, or its just how my aberrant brain works, but the color coding on the Westerosi Loyalty Chart makes perfect sense to me, @Crake.
 
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