Unfortunately we're not getting a boon out of the wyrm. Being fed the Wyrm is Yss' price for risking his avatar at all.

We may need to split the power of the orb into four or some other nonsense because I really want a boon from that Wyrm. We may need a way to research a way to subdue that dragon...either that or make Yss strong enough for it to be a triviality.
 
Ah...
I've read it more like "I will eat the Orb. If Wyrm breaks out, you either deal with that dragon by yourself, or promise me said dragon preemptively, and I (try to) eat it"?
:/
If you have doubts I can dig up the passage after I get myself lunch.
We may need to split the power of the orb into four or some other nonsense because I really want a boon from that Wyrm. We may need a way to research a way to subdue that dragon...either that or make Yss strong enough for it to be a triviality.
I just want to get a claw out of it so we can grow a trophy.
 
We may need to split the power of the orb into four or some other nonsense because I really want a boon from that Wyrm. We may need a way to research a way to subdue that dragon...either that or make Yss strong enough for it to be a triviality.
...or just, I dunno, maybe take it down ourselves?

Its not going to have any buffs. Nor any equipment.
It will be in worse situation than Mammon was when hurrying to us.

Sure, as Wyrm it's likely to be hilariously broken...
But with sufficient preparation, I'm sure we can gun it down.
 
An Ancient Red Dragon has 10 Dex. With steady application of Shivering touch we could bring this thing down. Since it has a 28 SR to beat we can probably just cast this bitch down and then feed it to Yss.
 
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If you have doubts I can dig up the passage after I get myself lunch.
Please do.
I've re-read it recently, and only now seeing the way to read it like you propose
:/

Sure, it will lessen the salt if we can't sacrifice the Orb either way without paying Dragon to Yss...
Since, well, there is a chance for it to break out, and if it does we all will go "aww" (for we wanted Yss to mulch it all) and then "awww" when we don't get anything (for we already promised it to Yss) outta dragon...

But it's kinda convoluted and plain bit unfair - Yss can just run away to leave dealing with dragon to us if we don't promise him it, and the dragon does break out...
Which he won't 5/9 times.
:confused:
 
Please do.
I've re-read it recently, and only now seeing the way to read it like you propose
:/

Sure, it will lessen the salt if we can't sacrifice the Orb either way without paying Dragon to Yss...
Since, well, there is a chance for it to break out, and if it does we all will go "aww" (for we wanted Yss to mulch it all) and then "awww" when we don't get anything (for we already promised it to Yss) outta dragon...

But it's kinda convoluted and plain bit unfair - Yss can just run away to leave dealing with dragon to us if we don't promise him it, and the dragon does break out...
Which he won't 5/9 times.
:confused:
Here you go.
Alas that not all sacrifices can be so convenient, for when you mention the accursed orb you recovered from the Red Waste the vessel of Yss rises from the dark waters to speak: "I cannot be sssure to devour prison and prisoner as one... each bear their own power. Wyrms are tenaciousss..." The words have almost the ring of a subtle jest if you would ever suspect the ancient serpent god of such a thing.

"What are the odds, and what would happen if they do not fall in our favor?" Lya asks practicality.

For a long moment there is silence within as without, then the god speaks: "Four out of nine timesss the prison would be consumed and the prisoner will force his way out of my jawsss to give battle or take flight."

Alas no less than you would expect of an elder dragon, alongside overwhelming pride, cunning to match the wisest of mages, and cruelty that would be the envy of fiends. "Would you be willing to help return the dragon to whence it had escaped?"

"Yesss... its blood shall be the price of my aid..."
the great serpent replies, a cold hunger running through its words.
"Its blood shall be the price of my aid" is pretty telling. Yss wants to eat that dragon if he's going to risk himself at all.
 
Here you go.

"Its blood shall be the price of my aid" is pretty telling. Yss wants to eat that dragon if he's going to risk himself at all.
I was reading that as an answer to "would you be willing to help return he Dragon to whence it had escaped", to be honest, not for eating him at all (I.e. If we get him ourselves, or if he doesn't break out at all)

Yss wants to eat that dragon if he's going to risk himself at all.
@DragonParadox, is that right?
Yss is only going to help us by eating Dragon Orb if we promise him the Wyrm inside it beforehand?
Which only has 4/9 chances to break out?
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Unfortunately we're not getting a boon out of the wyrm. Being fed the Wyrm is Yss' price for risking his avatar at all.
That depends on when we do it, if we only do it after we feel confident fighting the Wyrm, then we can get a boon out of sacrificing it.
...or just, I dunno, maybe take it down ourselves?

Its not going to have any buffs. Nor any equipment.
It will be in worse situation than Mammon was when hurrying to us.

Sure, as Wyrm it's likely to be hilariously broken...
But with sufficient preparation, I'm sure we can gun it down.
If it don't have artifacts or other items on it, that it can use in an Anti-magic field, we could free it into an antimagic field, and let Balerion brawl with it while we provide support, Balerion is a magicless Wyrm after all, with intelligent direction from us, he should be able to brawl a Wyrm in an antimagic field.
"Its blood shall be the price of my aid" is pretty telling. Yss wants to eat that dragon if he's going to risk himself at all.
I read that as his price for aiding in the battle if the Wyrm breaks out, is that he will get to eat the Wyrm, if we have a plan in place for dealing with the Wyrm, then he shouldn't require that payment.
 
It bears mentioning that the orb without the dragon is worthless
Considering that you need quite a bit more than just a Wyrm to make an orb, while the orb should be non-functional without the Wyrm, there should be quite a bit of power in it still, it has no use without the dragon, but considering all the crafting materials that has been put into it, there should be quite a bit of raw power separate from the Wyrm.
 
...or just, I dunno, maybe take it down ourselves?

Its not going to have any buffs. Nor any equipment.
It will be in worse situation than Mammon was when hurrying to us.

Sure, as Wyrm it's likely to be hilariously broken...
But with sufficient preparation, I'm sure we can gun it down.

An Ancient Red Dragon has 10 Dex. With steady application of Shivering touch we could bring this thing down. Since it has a 28 SR to beat we can probably just cast this bitch down and then feed it to Yss.
He might not have regular buffs, but he sure can have items.
Including some protection from ability damage.
 
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*SALT INTENSIFIES*

You... Really should have mentioned that from the beginning, DP...
Dude, why would you think otherwise? It derives its power from the Dragon trapped within it. It cannot be freed without destroying the orb.

What did you hope to gain from it?
 
Considering that you need quite a bit more than just a Wyrm to make an orb, while the orb should be non-functional without the Wyrm, there should be quite a bit of power in it still, it has no use without the dragon, but considering all the crafting materials that has been put into it, there should be quite a bit of raw power separate from the Wyrm.

Technically yes, but to get the dragon out the orb has to break which disperses that extra power.
 
Sorry, I thought it was clear (probably from knowing what the item does in canon), the dragon is what powers the Orb.
Well, it just so happens, that by putting this whole deal's resolution on dice, you killed any motivation for me to engage with it at all.

Great job, I will vote to keep that orb in our cloak effectively forever, until we can eat it ourselves.

Dude, why would you think otherwise? It derives its power from the Dragon trapped within it. It cannot be freed without destroying the orb.

What did you hope to gain from it?
I made a mistake by making assumptions, and thinking that only a powerful artifact would be able to hold an Ancient Dragon, yes.

It seemed reasonable, however.

And @Duesal, we weren't ever going to use it against Tiamat - people were against that to begin with, because "dragons hate whoever use it", and we would care so much for that.
And now we know she has no red dragons, effectively - with but 1 staying behind out of all resurrected.

So.
Pointless piece of crap.
:/
 
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