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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on May 29, 2019 at 11:38 PM, finished with 316925 posts and 18 votes.
  • [X] "You are my vassal, Yrael, but you are also my friend. Grander, I spoke, if you remember it. And grander, you said. Let destruction not be our monument. I swear to you I will see this righted one day."
    -[X] Explore Heaven
    --[X] Look for clues as to the nature of the battle, the foes that stormed the gates. See what relics are left to collect for study to this end.
    ---[X] In the meantime ask Yrael and Mereth their accounts of what happened.
    --[X] What happens to the dead souls who were bound for this place?
    --[X] See if there are any survivors to speak to, or even their bodies that could potentially be brought back.
    --[X] If there is anything to be salvaged still, it would be better put to use protecting the innocent than sitting here. See what can be salvaged among the ruins.
    --[X] As a general note, stay away from the hole in reality, that doesn't look safe in the slightest.
    -[X] Before poking around significantly, retrieve any Companions not currently busy. Malarys, Richard, Garin and Tyene at minimum.
    --[X] In terms of preparations, Attune Form and Life Bubble should be enough to protect everyone present from any environmental effects.
    [X] Say Something
    -[X]"And I swear to you now, Yrael, as my Vassal. I will never ask for more than that."
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@Crake, there doesn't appear to be casting chain of ravens for OGs to see the place with their own eyes, included in the action?
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I look forward to seeing how Viserys internalizes what he's seen in the last update and how it might change his view on the Empire that he has created. The ruins of Heaven shows that even the mightiest civilizations can fall given time and an unwillingness to adapt. A fate that can easily befall the Empire if it stagnates in the face of its numerous enemies.
 
Crake said:
[X] "You are my vassal, Yrael, but you are also my friend. Grander, I spoke, if you remember it. And grander, you said. Let destruction not be our monument. I swear to you I will see this righted one day."
-[X] Explore Heaven
--[X] Look for clues as to the nature of the battle, the foes that stormed the gates. See what relics are left to collect for study to this end.
---[X] In the meantime ask Yrael and Mereth their accounts of what happened.
--[X] What happens to the dead souls who were bound for this place?
--[X] See if there are any survivors to speak to, or even their bodies that could potentially be brought back.
--[X] If there is anything to be salvaged still, it would be better put to use protecting the innocent than sitting here. See what can be salvaged among the ruins.
-[X] Use your Runestaff of the Old Gods to scout with conspiracies of Ravens.
--[X] As a general note, stay away from the hole in reality, that doesn't look safe in the slightest.
-[X] Before poking around significantly, retrieve any Companions not currently busy. Malarys, Richard, Garin and Tyene at minimum.
--[X] In addition, also call upon that Deva you encountered in the Disputed Lands. He will potentially have some part to play in Yrael's new marching orders after we are finished here: to gather as many survivors as possible.
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Crake said:
1) @BeepSmile spell slots don't grow on trees, this place is dangerous, and it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission, not that he would do anything but answer that it is his duty to help us. As if Bloodraven, the man who's sleeves drip with the blood of innocents, could ever be accused of not doing his duty.

2) Goldfish Sure, seems prudent. Any other spell-casting preparations? If so you might want to just steal the vote and repost it and I'll merge.

[X] "You are my vassal, Yrael, but you are also my friend. Grander, I spoke, if you remember it. And grander, you said. Let destruction not be our monument. I swear to you I will see this righted one day."
-[X] Explore Heaven
--[X] Look for clues as to the nature of the battle, the foes that stormed the gates. See what relics are left to collect for study to this end.
---[X] In the meantime ask Yrael and Mereth their accounts of what happened.
--[X] What happens to the dead souls who were bound for this place?
--[X] See if there are any survivors to speak to, or even their bodies that could potentially be brought back.
--[X] If there is anything to be salvaged still, it would be better put to use protecting the innocent than sitting here. See what can be salvaged among the ruins.
--[X] As a general note, stay away from the hole in reality, that doesn't look safe in the slightest.
-[X] Before poking around significantly, retrieve any Companions not currently busy. Malarys, Richard, Garin and Tyene at minimum.
--[X] In terms of preparations, Attune Form and Life Bubble should be enough to protect everyone present from any environmental effects.
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You did drop the burds action crake, also asking the Deva.

Im honestly just double checking if this was intentional or not. Either way its bed time for me.
 
@Crake, I'm not sure why summoning the deva was dropped. He has a lot of insight for where the souls go now, and we had an important request for him to send lost celestials our way.
 
So Yrael's "changes" aren't exactly subtle are they? I can just imagine the rumors now

"Dread sorcerer causes the angel to fall after a brief chat! Do not heed his words for they can lead even the most righteous to sin."
 
Tally.

@Duesal @egoo should be fixed, tally was probably just borked though, I posted the plan multiple times.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on May 30, 2019 at 12:36 AM, finished with 316934 posts and 19 votes.
  • [X] "You are my vassal, Yrael, but you are also my friend. Grander, I spoke, if you remember it. And grander, you said. Let destruction not be our monument. I swear to you I will see this righted one day."
    -[X] Explore Heaven
    --[X] Look for clues as to the nature of the battle, the foes that stormed the gates. See what relics are left to collect for study to this end.
    ---[X] Make use of the Runestaff of the Old Gods to summon conspiracies of ravens for scouting purposes.
    ---[X] In the meantime ask Yrael and Mereth their accounts of what happened.
    --[X] What happens to the dead souls who were bound for this place?
    --[X] See if there are any survivors to speak to, or even their bodies that could potentially be brought back.
    --[X] If there is anything to be salvaged still, it would be better put to use protecting the innocent than sitting here. See what can be salvaged among the ruins.
    --[X] As a general note, stay away from the hole in reality, that doesn't look safe in the slightest.
    -[X] Before poking around significantly, retrieve any Companions not currently busy. Malarys, Richard, Garin and Tyene at minimum.
    --[X] In addition, also call upon that Deva you encountered in the Disputed Lands. He will potentially have some part to play in Yrael's new marching orders after we are finished here: to gather as many survivors as possible.
    ---[X] In terms of preparations, Attune Form and Life Bubble should be enough to protect everyone present from any environmental effects.
    [X] Say Something
    -[X]"And I swear to you now, Yrael, as my Vassal. I will never ask for more than that."
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Trickster314 said:
So Yrael's "changes" aren't exactly subtle are they? I can just imagine the rumors now

"Dread sorcerer causes the angel to fall after a brief chat! Do not heed his words for they can lead even the most righteous to sin."
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I'm very much not looking forward to that. But at the same time, the Archons still respect and follow Yrael. Even if he isn't Good anymore, he is the bastion for his brethren.

The slander falls flat when the other Archons step up in support of Yrael.
Crake said:
Tally.

@Duesal @egoo should be fixed, tally was probably just borked though, I posted the plan multiple times.
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Ah, that explains it.
 
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Trickster314 said:
I look forward to seeing how Viserys internalizes what he's seen in the last update and how it might change his view on the Empire that he has created. The ruins of Heaven shows that even the mightiest civilizations can fall given time and an unwillingness to adapt. A fate that can easily befall the Empire if it stagnates in the face of its numerous enemies.
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I think it would serve to temper his resolve if anything, undeniable proof that doing things "the right way" is not insurance against collapse.

The most common argument levelled against Viserys' Empire is not that it is doing no good now, but that it will not last.

A Plane, a pillar of reality has fallen for the first time to the knowledge of anyone and anything we could ask, an event so devastating there is no plane it could happen to that wouldn't cause detriment even in the cesspit of the Abyss.

A Plane, a true embodiment of the concept of Enduring, and Good was the first and only to fall.

If "the right way" does not endure then what is the argument against achieving what you can now regardless of the means?
 
Deliste said:
I think it would serve to temper his resolve if anything, undeniable proof that doing things "the right way" is not insurance against collapse.

The most common argument levelled against Viserys' Empire is not that it is doing no good now, but that it will not last.

A Plane, a pillar of reality has fallen for the first time to the knowledge of anyone and anything we could ask, an event so devastating there is no plane it could happen to that wouldn't cause detriment even in the cesspit of the Abyss.

A Plane, a true embodiment of the concept of Enduring, and Good was the first and only to fall.

If "the right way" does not endure then what is the argument against achieving what you can now regardless of the means?
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eh
 
Deliste said:
I think it would serve to temper his resolve if anything, undeniable proof that doing things "the right way" is not insurance against collapse.

The most common argument levelled against Viserys' Empire is not that it is doing no good now, but that it will not last.

A Plane, a pillar of reality has fallen for the first time to the knowledge of anyone and anything we could ask, an event so devastating there is no plane it could happen to that wouldn't cause detriment even in the cesspit of the Abyss.

A Plane, a true embodiment of the concept of Enduring, and Good was the first and only to fall.

If "the right way" does not endure then what is the argument against achieving what you can now regardless of the means?
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Well, to a truly blind zealot, which you basically have to be to continue arguing in this vein after seeing this truth, rather than moderating your argument some more, this ideological clash can only be won at the tip of your sword, with violence as your voice, because there's no words to be offered that can stand on the same ground in the light of day competing against that evidence.
 
Deliste said:
Huh?
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Crake knows me extremely well apparently. Or at least my posting habits.


Generally my understanding of "the right way" is that it is inherently not practical.

That by choosing goodness you were basically chopping off one of your feet right before a footrace.

I thought most of them would have pretty thoroughly internalized "your only hurting yourself in the long run" to the extreme already.


Like, people have other reasons for doing good, but "It's practical and most likely to succeed" has never been one for me?
 
Do we have common arguments against our empire?

Whos making them? How did we hear about them?

Is it just Lucan or...?

I thought our biggest detractors were the westerosi rumor mill. Also probably mind flayers soon.
 
zxzx24 said:
Crake knows me extremely well apparently. Or at least my posting habits.


Generally my understanding of "the right way" is that it is inherently not practical.

That by choosing goodness you were basically chopping off one of your feet right before a footrace.

I thought most of them would have pretty thoroughly internalized "your only hurting yourself in the long run" to the extreme already.


Like, people have other reasons for doing good, but "It's practical and most likely to succeed" has never been one for me?
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There's a difference between "most efficient" and "resulted in a failure literally incomprehensible to the mind in it's fullness".

We don't know that our way would have avoided the issue but we do know that their way didn't.

zxzx24 said:
Do we have common arguments against our empire?

Whos making them? How did we hear about them?

Is it just Lucan or...?

I thought our biggest detractors were the westerosi rumor mill. Also probably mind flayers soon.
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Yes?

Lucan, Danelle, Yrael himself in the past and others of similar disposition.

We've been told to our face multiple times?
 
Goldfish said:
It just occurred to me that by accepting the Dawn Fruit as payment so long ago, then going through the trouble to research and cultivate it, culminating in our vast Dawn Fruit orchards, we inadvertently helped to preserve one of the last living remnants of the Celestial Planes.
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If we didn't have that fragment of lore from the Rh'lorr temple in Lys, I'd have argued for the Inevitable's heart.

I didn't even really care about the fruit itself - it was the seed I was interested in from the start.

Basically, for me, "inadvertent" is not accurate. Hopeful, shot-in-the-dark, on-the-off-chance are, however.

*Is-slightly-pleased-with-himself*

And I'm almost certainly not the only one held this possibility in mind either :).

Edit: Were the upper planes not destroyed by someone calling a thing from the far outside, something that the planes of existence caused great suffering to, that was only driven back at incredible cost? Maybe, maybe nothing more could be done?

Maybe the destruction of the upper planes was the cost of victory?
 
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BeepSmile said:
Edit: Were the upper planes not destroyed by someone calling a thing from the far outside, something that the planes of existence caused great suffering to, that was only driven back at incredible cost? Maybe, maybe nothing more could be done?
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Maybe, and that's the point, it's doesn't matter whether it was their fault or not, whether it was a truly unstoppable force, what matters is that they were playing nice and reality wasn't.

Reality didn't care that they were the Good guys doing things the right way, not taking shortcuts and aligning means with ends, it kicked the shit out of them and ate half the Planes anyway.

It has been shown that you must do what you can in the now because the future isn't promised to anyone and it certainly need not be brighter.

This is Lucan's hope for the Westerlands writ large and tragic.
 
@Crake, please add "take Vee" to your plan. She's a Companion we should have around when exploring this sort of environment. Lya is our Planar girl, but Vee is our Life girl and IMO we'll probably be wanting an ecosystems expert here soon.
I'm not saying we'll be restoring heaven today, but shouldn't we give her a look at it already?

@Duesal, while the Archon beacon is cool it'd be best to check if there isn't already one in place somewhere before we go too crazy.
It's been millenia, and creation hasn't all fallen into the Far Realms. Surely someone else must have gotten something working!

Raichu1972 said:
While I hope Viserys won't end up going the same path as Asmodeous (although honestly at this point I can't tell), Yrael accepting that he has to work with what he has, that he might have to do terrible, unspeakable acts in order to try and preserve what he hopes will be some sort of good... It's a tragic thing to see, but worthy of a fall if nothing else.
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I really hope that Yrael won't Fall. I'm no lover of LG, but this was a tragic chapter.

And Viserys won't go the way of Asmodeus. We want a beautiful Realm full of happy citizens, while Asmodeus wants a strong one above all. Things would have to be truly dire to force us into that!
And in any case our Realm will definitely be nicer than his. Hell has terrible PR and terrible aesthetics. And the wildlife is crappy too!

zxzx24 said:
I hate to say it guys, but this place has likely already been looted down to the bedrock. There probably isnt going to be much if anything left of worth to find.
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We're not here for the loot, we're here for the Lore!
How the fuck is reality still standing? What's up with the Planes?

I wonder if this has anything to do with the Breaking, the waning of magic, etc. Sure we know that Tiamat and Plane of Balance bullshit was important there, but is this entirely unrelated?

Evaunit02mark1 said:
God help us.
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You're in the wrong thread buddy. The proper reaction is "Viserys, add it to the bucket list."

Deliste said:
@Goldfish @TotallyNotEvil @TalonofAnathrax @Othermadscientists
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Ooooh, being tagged here is nice. Especially for such a good reason.
Nice plan Deliste. However if I may suggest a change?
IMO having our Legion march underground is a poor decision. It's slow, it's dangerous, and a single high-level caster can easily detect them and kill them all by collapsing the tunnel (and we couldn't counterspell or stop it).
Making underground forces is great, but they should be Darkenbeast-type things : strong monsters controlled by a single rider, who harass the enemy, distract, or deliver alchemical payloads.

How about a mount that can carry a rider while burrowing? Or would we have to give the rider an air tank and strap him on, having him clutch the things back?
Or a mildly intelligent creature wth simple desires, no intention to integrate into society, but a wide AoE aura attack (poison? disease?) that could emerge within enemy positions? That does seem kinda suicidal for it though, so creating them is pretty damn cruel.

EDIT : A valid alternative would be something like an Elsewhale, but for burrowing. Carry a squad in its mouth, then disgorge them on the surface.
 
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