[X] Goldfish

Wait n see. Hopefully everyone here can tear stripes out of each other without too much direct involvement. Also kinda called it? Wonder if it could be good to help get this passed, but in a way that leaves a humongous sour taste in everyone else's mouth. Could poison things more than just deadlock.

Also @DragonParadox do we see Danelle?
 
[X] Goldfish

Wait n see. Hopefully everyone here can tear stripes out of each other without too much direct involvement. Also kinda called it? Wonder if it could be good to help get this passed, but in a way that leaves a humongous sour taste in everyone else's mouth. Could poison things more than just deadlock.

Also @DragonParadox do we see Danelle?

She is not present, according to Kyle she plans to make her appearance on Maiden's Day.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 10, 2019 at 4:05 PM, finished with 60 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Kyle has yet to make much headway towards a majority, but he's also gauged the waters beforehand more likely than not, so speakers will be cautious of their fiery rhetoric now that the Fey are actually right in front of them. See how this plays out rather than acting against Kyle's expectations, after all, Dywen is someone who would welcome peace between both races. If you must interfere in this, it will be through proxies or as yourself.
 
So I'm seeing a lot of interest in Wnterfell (Jon Snow in particular). Normally I would go with a Riverlander interlude instead but it is again late with a lot of rolls to do so what I'm tempted to do is do a Winterfell interlude now and when I get back to the Riverlands put in links to the previous parts of those stories.

Does that sound like it could work?
A Jon interlude with some more Lyanna screen time would be nice. We haven't seen her in a while and it would be helpful to get an idea of how urgently we need to handle that situation.
 
About as urgently as an orphanage on fire filled with nothing but Hero Protagonists who each stop a different BBEG.
 
So I've thought about it and I can't really justify and interlude at this point pacing wise, though I can probably get out one more update, so vote closed in the interests of a more interesting overnight vote.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 10, 2019 at 4:05 PM, finished with 60 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Kyle has yet to make much headway towards a majority, but he's also gauged the waters beforehand more likely than not, so speakers will be cautious of their fiery rhetoric now that the Fey are actually right in front of them. See how this plays out rather than acting against Kyle's expectations, after all, Dywen is someone who would welcome peace between both races. If you must interfere in this, it will be through proxies or as yourself.
 
I know that is what we are voting for. I am just saying that if this vote doesn't go through then his plans fall apart. If you cant trust the fey with trade of all things then marriage is out of the question.
To be fair, there are the darkfey, the ones who's tales are of hate and pain and horror. They may not lie, but since when has speaking the truth been a complete assurance against deception? Nuance is required when dealing with "the Fey", to put it as as Tarly did (eugh)

About as urgently as an orphanage on fire filled with nothing but Hero Protagonists who each stop a different BBEG.

Um... So, interference will cause greater problems down the line so avoid acting atm?

Support during the fire will give stronger foundations for personal growth and context to help better make the world a better place, so do act?
...
Put out the fire and bring blankets and emotional support?

:confused: [BeepSmile wails: What does this mean!?!?]

:p
 
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Um... So, interference will cause greater problems down the line so avoid acting atm?

Support during the fire will give stronger foundations for personal growth and context to help better make the world a better place, so do act?
...
Put out the fire and bring blankets and emotional support?

:confused: [BeepSmile wails: What does this mean!?!?]

:p

The real solution is to blow up the orphanage :V
 
Winning vote

[] Kyle has yet to make much headway towards a majority, but he's also gauged the waters beforehand more likely than not, so speakers will be cautious of their fiery rhetoric now that the Fey are actually right in front of them. See how this plays out rather than acting against Kyle's expectations, after all, Dywen is someone who would welcome peace between both races. If you must interfere in this, it will be through proxies or as yourself.
 
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Part MMDCCCXXVI: In the Balance of Faith Part Two
In the Balance of Faith Part Two

Sixteenth Day of the Ninth Month 293 AC

Reasoning that Kyle is far indeed from a true majority that could pass his positions you decide to keep your peace, to wait and watch, to gauge the players and the shape of the game. Better to cede the initiative than act blindly after all. Though of course given your position it would be far harder to speak up against your nominal patron.

Unsurprisingly Brother Lucan is the first to rise from his seat, to speak up, his voice deep and clear, filled with conviction but not with the anger you might have expected: "Honored brothers and sisters, I thank you for the chance to speak before this Conclave as one of the Faith to others. A few questions I would ask the Lady Myssa, so that we may weigh this proposal while knowing it's weight in full."

The sprite, if so small a spirit it truly is, nods and in a light pipping voice that still carries farther than it aught she replies: "Ask your questions and I will answer them in fair measure."

"For my first question I ask are the those among the Fey who have a kindly disposition to man? Who would make bargains with honor and compassion?"

Whispers fall silent and scores and hundreds of gazes sharpen upon the Chosen of the Father, and wonder at his game, just as you do. The words are certainly a ploy, but to what end? A chill runs down your spine as you consider the possibility that Lucan might actually be willing to align himself with Tyrell interests. After all, had not the High Seton, a pious man by Bloodraven's estimation, made common cause with the Lannisters?

"There are, behold that I am one such here before you," the diminutive Fey replies, obviously willing to play along for now. Septon Kyle looks on with less confusion than most. One can practically see the wheels turning behind his eyes. He already has one Chosen to lend legitimacy to his words. If he could negotiate the support of another then how high might his ambitions soar?

Brother Lucan speaks on in those same measured orator's tones. "Then my second question is this, are there those among the Fey who carry hatred against men in their hearts? Who would trick and dissemble to sell misfortune to the unfortunate, even if no outright lie they can speak?"

"Of those who bear hatred in their hearts few are so considerate as to limit themselves to men alone," Myssa's words slip aside from the answer like water parting before steel. "Together we will be best served to act against those who would bring ruin on us all."

"And yet my final question remains unchanged," the septon's voice had not grown one iota louder, yet it still bears even greater weight beyond: "How would a men tell the latter from the former?"

"By your wits and the fortune of good friends," Gossamer wings flutter faintly as she shrugs.

Rather than offer any other objection the warrior priest nods and addresses the assembled godsworn once again: "Brothers and sisters, let us all acknowledge that Brother Kyle spoke the truth to us. A trade with the Fey is no different then a trade with men, for both man and Fey have room in their hearts for both virtue and sin, for compassion and hatred, for honor and treachery. So it was written in the Fathers book: 'Speak not ill of the fishers, for it was not sin to catch the fish. Speak not ill of the fishmongers, for it was not their hands that brought ill to you house. Speak the name of him who gave you tainted goods and called it charity, and justice will be done to him who sinned.' What we must acknowledge though is the stakes of the bargains in question. When a bargain is struck with the Fey, things far more weighty and grand then coin or even a life could be imperiled if the intentions of one party are less then pure."

The words are well chosen, well do you believe that this man is a scholar of the divine, but beyond that the words have another virtue that makes them strike even deeper, they are true, measured, and reasonable, and the last thing you had expected from the septon's mouth. Certainly the last thing you wanted to hear.

"I am starting to understand how this man has angels serving at his side," Dany's voice is grave in your thoughts.

You send back wordless agreement, your mind already running over the ways a calm and deliberate servant of the Father is infinitely more dangerous than a wild-eyed fanatic.

"So I say, let us go out and tell the faithful thus. To bargain with a Fey is no sin, just as it is no sin to bargain with man. But ware those of dark intentions, no matter what skin they wear. For as the Crone cautions us: 'Ware the greedy and the usurer, for their souls are sold one grain of silver at a time, and the maw of the golden serpent will be their fate'."

The vote passes six hundred and eighty one to two hundred and nineteen as Maer and Olindor both throw their votes behind the proposal, the first you suspect from conviction, the second from cold calculation.

This had only been the first volley, but it marks the beginning of a far harder battle than you had anticipated.

What do you do during the midday break?

[] Approach one of the other factions
-[] Write in

[] Suggest a motion of your own to Most Devout Kyle
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: That was really tricky to write and it's past midnight for me so the vote options are pretty bland. Under the circumstances I expect a write in though.
 
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That told me a lot about Lucan's character.

I didn't need to know about whether or not he's convicted. He's probably got the same bone deep sense of purpose as Mel.

What I didn't know is that he's willing to make allies and cleave to the Andal Warlord playbook. Make friends with enemies, then cast them down later when they get in your way, sleep with their wives, and gift their castles to your children.

Lucan's going to vote to allow fey marriages. He's a madman, but a ballsy one.
 
Well shit. That is a start. It is not sinful to bargain with a fey but be wary of the fey and its deals for deals sink deep is a good message. Well the problem now becomes how to sow chaos into this conclave. What would divide everyone here?
 
"maw of the golden serpent will be their fate."

Holy shit, Crone! Dial it back a bit!*

We only feed souls to Yss when we think the enemy in question is going to keep. coming. back.

Or is a high powered servant of Tiamat. Damm greed domain :/.

Ya know what, I'm gonna call this bit hyperbole or unfortunate coincidence on the Crone's part.

*Nods*

Also, Lucian, damm am I impressed :). Arguing against him is going to be a tricky needle to thread indeed.

*(Though she might be just talking about those who fall utterly/dive into their base nature, those who do not turn back, or even just... stop. Still, she could have more nuance in her warning there ;))
 
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Well shit. That is a start. It is not sinful to bargain with a fey but be wary of the fey and its deals for deals sink deep is a good message. Well the problem now becomes how to sow chaos into this conclave. What would divide everyone here?
Hard to say without a measure of Lucan's motives for aligning with the Tyrell plant.

I'm also thinking after that display that Lucan managed to convince with words alone, not out of any disdain for blatant manipulation, but because it is easier to work off that foundation. Yes, Viserys kind of laid it own there pretty blatantly, but he's dangerous not just because of his motivations, but also because of the way in which he approaches intrigue and politics: well-reasoned arguments.

I hesitate to say whether or not those arguments are always rational, after all he wants to reinstate the Faith Militant which is basically guaranteed to start a war, but then his goal is war, so from his perspective fighting that war must seem perfectly rational because God(s?) demands it.
 
Actually here is a thought. Ask that magic be canonized as not sinful. This is an easy vote that will fail and by doing so we can start the splintering. Hopefully.
 
The words are well chosen, well do you believe that this man is a scholar of the divine, but beyond that the words have another virtue that makes them strike even deeper, they are true, measured and reasonable and the last thing you had expected from the septon's mouth. Certainly the last thing you wanted to hear
I'm less confident in our ability to covertly splinter the Faith by the second.
 
[X] Approach Septa Maer. Dywen would like her thoughts on Lucan's arguments, but also of Fey who would deal in good faith as much as those who might be openly duplicitous in their motives for striking a bargain. At this point we know he is trying to control mages, but it could simply be cold practicality that is driving him to compartmentalize potential threats rather than lump them all together before he's even gained any semblance of control over mages, his original charge by his deity.

You almost don't have to guess by this point, the logic follows that he might want to form a militant arm to arbitrate dealing with the Fey rather than commit to a two front war with them. Clever, if so, if he gets his army he can just deal with threats that manifest and leave the others alone, or even gain allies with them given the Court of Stars won't have much love for us either--ironic alliance, yes, but one that can splinter.
 
Horde Thief Interlude VII - Winter's Duty
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Interlude 7 - Winter's Duty​

I'd come to appreciate the stark beauty of Arctis Tor in a way that I'd never thought I could after the first time I'd been dragged there. Looking back at that so much younger version of me, it was hard not to smile, and harder still not to mutter curses on the stupidity of youth. There was an undeniable presence here at the heart of Winter, the icy beauty and blood-red ferocity both given form, and it resonated deep within the Mantle I bore. The second time I'd seen it, that feeling had almost overwhelmed me. Now it was less than a single cinder amidst the howling storm of ice and fury which was my Mantle, and for once I was entirely in agreement with it.

The spirit world, what wizards refer to as the NeverNever, isn't like the world I was born in. It's a place where power isn't just something you have, it's something you are. That's especially true when you have a connection to a part of it as deep as I did. When you walk in Faerie as a Power of it, your very thoughts shape the world around you, and lesser Fae who once would have terrified me fled from my path. The gates of the great fortress did not bar my way and as I passed through them I felt the presence I'd come to speak with high above, tugging me towards the great tower which held Winter's wellspring. Of course she'd choose there, the bitch.

No one opposed me as I entered the tower, and I took the silence of the climb to try to look at what I was doing. The Mantle seethed within me when I did, not wanting to let go of the agreement I felt, but I did all I could to force it down and think. Mab had sent me to that village to ensure that Winter's Tithe would be ready when the time came, and nothing myself nor the healers I had called had been able to halt the affliction. That last part was why I'd believed Viserys when he'd come to the place. But Mab also ordered me to remain there, in the village, until such time as I was successful, which meant I was now defying the Monarch of Winter and my direct superior in its Court. I knew that you could do that and live, Harry had more than once, the challenge was doing it in the right way.

It wasn't just the fact that convincing Mab to change her mind was hard, it was that she'd always have a different way she needed to be convinced, and if you couldn't work out what it was you were done. Giving me a private location would push me towards defiance, something I could truly imagine now with the ring on my finger, but there would be consequences for that. I shook my head as the top of the staircase came into view. Trying to predict Mab was like trying to predict which way the wind was going to blow in a tornado. Unless you picked exactly the right spot to test it, you'd be torn apart.

Nothing for it now, though, I was committed and the Mantle with me. On some level, I knew that Mab would feel that, but that couldn't be what she wanted, agreement was too easy. My thoughts had carried me to the landing, a small hallway cut from glacial ice which I only barely remembered from that nightmarish experience which had been my first exposure to the true dangers of magic. The door was shut, but I could feel that it wasn't barred, the magic of it passive. My mother had shattered the last one when she came to rescue me, and I could feel the scars she'd left in the place that night, wielding steel to open the way to the heart of Winter. Nothing so needlessly dramatic for me, though. I touched the door lightly with my hand, and it swung soundlessly open and I stepped through into…how to put this?

When I was a little girl, my father read 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe' to me and the Jawas when he was home. Stepping into Mab's garden was like how I'd imagined walking into the White Witches' courtyard of statues would feel. Except worse, because all of these ice statues were real. They'd been people once, or at least alive, and there was no one coming to free them. Now they passed the years within sheaths of Winter ice, and I truly hoped they weren't aware within them. Ahead of me was a clearing with a fountain at its centre, and behind it a tree which I still had nightmares about when I could afford to.

And between the two, waiting for me in a monument built from all those who'd ever truly defied her, stood Mab. She wore a gown of dark blue, edged with black, and I forced myself not to linger on the colours as I approached. My feet made no sound as I stepped onto the wide platform that extended around the tower, yet she turned just enough for her to see me, and the dark ribbon along the outer lines of her gown thickened. She didn't say a word, but her disapproval of my presence was an icy wind down my spine, cutting through even the possessive rage of the Mantle, and I almost, almost faltered.

"I gave you a task, Lady Carpenter," her lips didn't move, the words were simply there around us. They weren't even cold, that would have implied emotion. "You have not completed it, and yet you are here."

I didn't speak. That hadn't been a question, and I knew the rules of Mab's court. Even if there was no one else was present, breaking that rule here would not be wise. She blinked once, and for a moment I glimpsed something in her eyes. Had it been approval? I couldn't be sure, but a moment later she inclined her head towards me in a fractional nod.

"There is a working upon all firstborn children of the tribe, draining their lives away. Nothing I, nor the healers of Winter have done has stopped it," the Mantle surged against my calm delivery, possessive and fierce. The lives of those souls, it hissed, were Winter's to use and sacrifice. Not another's. "I have information from a source who has proven trustworthy that this is the act of a hostile power, targeting far more than just these children."

"I see," Mab's mouth actually moved this time, but I couldn't count that as a victory. "And why, exactly, do you believe this excuses you from the task I set?"

The strength of Winter's rage was like a hurricane, my own no less potent beneath it, and my breath hissed through my teeth as I forced it away. Mab was all that power and more, and I knew she couldn't be immune to the same outrage. Yet her perfect façade did not flicker, leaving me only two other options. The Queen of Air and Darkness was more than just the raging power of a blizzard, she was chill darkness and, above all, clarity.

"I cannot complete the task you have given me to secure Winter's reserves if I am bound to their side," I replied, grinding my voice down until it was as empty of emotion as I could possibly make it. "I know from where and by who this working is being directed. If you would grant me it, I would join the attack to be mounted against them."

"Who?" A robot would have put more passion into that question.

"The Knights of the Blackened Denarius."

Something flickered through Mab's eyes, but it was gone too swiftly for me to tell what it had been. "Those who crippled your mortal father."

"Yes," she wouldn't get anything from me for that.

"And where?"

"The ritual completes in three days. There is a convergence on that day, when hundreds of firstborn were killed. Knowing that, it is simple."

"Oh yes," something that might have once been a sardonic smile touched Mab's face. "That little holiday for the freedom of the White God's chosen. At least some remember its cost in blood." Again, I did not reply. Nothing I could have said would have mattered, and Mab had not asked a question. "But why should I release you from my command? The Winter Lady need not take the field when my Knight will be there."

I restrained a growl and forced myself to think. What was she looking for? I'd given her rules, but those had proven insufficient. If not clarity, then what? Purpose, I answered, and I suddenly knew what I needed to say. "It was not against you alone that this slight has been made, my Queen."

"Truly?" No emotion leaked through, but I felt something, an instinct perhaps, pushing me forward. This had to be it. Nothing else made sense.

"I am the Winter Lady," I let the icy chill of my Mantle fill my words, but nothing of its current anger. This was a test. Of course it was a test. It was Mab and Faeries and Winter and even when it wasn't a test it was one. "This attack was against one of my responsibilities in Winter. It is my duty to secure the reserves of Winter. And so it is my duty to stop this assault."

Mab met my gaze.

I dropped my eyes away from hers; I had no desire to meet the gaze of one of the most powerful of all Sidhe, across the wellspring of our shared Mantles. But not too far away, or too swiftly, either.

"And if I ordered you to return to the task I gave you?" Mab said. "Would you go anyway, even though it would mean defying me?" This is mine, my Mantle hissed, but I didn't let it speak.

"Yes," I told her, the Queen of Air and Darkness, in the heart of Winter, and at the centre of a garden of icy statues that were testimony to the fate of those who might defy her. "I would. And you wouldn't stop me."

It wasn't spoken as defiance. Simply fact. The Queens of Faerie wield tremendous power over their vassals, yet with my Mantle in agreement and the ring Viserys had given me, I probably could defy her. But that wasn't the point, either. This was my fight. I'd just needed to prove that my reasons for demanding it were appropriate to my station.

"No," Mab inclined her head a fraction again, and there was something a human would have called satisfaction in her eyes. "I won't."
 
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This was a minor circle of hell to write, and I really hope it lands well for people. Molly's perspective right now is more than a little warped, and that was hard enough to put in to words. But then you have Mab, half-garbed as a Judge, effectively demanding that she prove her reasons. And getting that right was....eeesh. Well I just hope I have, I guess. Still, that's Molly on the team, and with more than a little of her own Dresden-style willfulness shade thrown. I'd say she's earned the right to it.

Next up (once I finish the next PW update) we have Viserys' meeting. And after that...I think we've got maybe one or two more updates left before hitting Egypt. I'm probably going to end up spamming a bunch of the battle updates in the end. I'd like to try and finish HT out by the end of May. Oh yeah, and there are several puns in this title. If you can find them all, I'll be impressed.
 
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