Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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The Denarians on their own? Certainly not so simply. But consider what Power was responsible for Passover.
Protip; it wasn't the Fallen
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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The Denarians on their own? Certainly not so simply. But consider what Power was responsible for Passover.
Protip; it wasn't the Fallen
Not right now, though it is linked to quite a few legends, making it a good fit fro rune-crafting in the future.
The Angel of Death yes, but the Queen of Air and Darkness is as powerful an angel and Mother Winter stronger still. Both have a legitimate claim on the Lady's soul and life and thus can leverage that strength. Breaking a single strand of the curse should not be beyond them I think.
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The cause is what some call a coward's word.
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Sang.
I think it's woman, as it's an adjective here.
Heed.
... Did Waymar just punk Sigmar?Fiend
Isn't this supposed to be Leto speaking? "We are the winged figures" and all that?
- I just looked for warrior in golden armor, that worked (minus the hammer but you can't have everything)
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@DragonParadox what templates do we have unlocked in the fungus forge? I only remember a couple. I know we have the King-Killer, Druid creature shadow and advanced creatures but was there anything else?
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Unlocked:
Advanced
Druid Creature
Plant Creature (for obvious reasons)
Needs a bit of research:
Draconic
Kingkiller
Needs to have requisite sacrifice tossed to the Fungus Forge, but after that it's automatic:
Cleric Creature
Sorcerer Creature
Wizard Creature
Vote closed... now I need to figure out how to make telepathic communion interesting.
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I thought we had already unlocked Kingkiller. Or was that as a research option? As for templates not much then. Makes sense. Vee has been busy with other projects.
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It's definitely available, but IIRC it needs a bit of fiddling to get unlocked.
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Hey everyone, thanks for keeping your depressing spoilers in spoiler tags.
@Snowfire, @TotallyNotEvil : I haven't watched the season yet, but here's my theory regarding your hot takes on how shitty it all is:
The producers aren't ruining GRRM's work. GRRM actually plotted out all that and is trying to get it published in Winds of Winter, but his publishers are fighting him tooth and nail and begging him to rewrite it
@Snowfire, @TotallyNotEvil : I haven't watched the season yet, but here's my theory regarding your hot takes on how shitty it all is:
The producers aren't ruining GRRM's work. GRRM actually plotted out all that and is trying to get it published in Winds of Winter, but his publishers are fighting him tooth and nail and begging him to rewrite it
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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@Snowfire, @TotallyNotEvil : I haven't watched the season yet, but here's my theory regarding your hot takes on how shitty it all is:
The producers aren't ruining GRRM's work. GRRM actually plotted out all that and is trying to get it published in Winds of Winter, but his publishers are fighting him tooth and nail and begging him to rewrite it
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- He/Him
My best bet is that the show and the book have the same plot points, but that the pacing and contextualization of those plot points in the book will make those scenes far saner (assuming they're ever released.)
Anyway finals are still happening so I haven't participated much but this is just a reminder not to convince everyone in the conclave to be on our side, as that defeats the purpose of intervening, I think.
Anyway finals are still happening so I haven't participated much but this is just a reminder not to convince everyone in the conclave to be on our side, as that defeats the purpose of intervening, I think.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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The Winter Lady? Yes, she'd be fine. Winter would protect its own.
Molly Carpenter, though?
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- Germany
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Just because - do you and DP share your dice used in your respective quests?
For the if Viserys died and had a kid I think Dany and Rhaella would support the kid as the future ruler and help them learn to rule. Just find it very unlikely that Dany or Rhaella to just take Viserys kid right to rule. Become regent yeah but to actually take it? Just don't see it.
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That's probably what'll happen. Daenerys explicitly doesn't want to rule, but she'd probably step up as regent for Viserys' future heir until they're old enough.
In the meantime Waymar is securing his family's support for the due legal process in the unlikely event that it's necessary.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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No problem, mate. I'm glad you seem to have a bit more free time now.
Here's the numbers after the latest chapter:
Day of Blood Stockpile:
| Sacrifices | Presumed Individual HD | Total HD | Old Gods Bonuses | Individual HD after Old Gods bonuses |
Total HD after Old Gods Bonuses |
Individual CR |
Total CR |
| 1 Abishai Wizard Creature | 14 | 14 | +35% (True Outsidier), +20% (Caster) | 22.4 | 22.4 | 16 | 16 |
| 3 Bearded Devils | 6 | 18 | +35% (True Outsider) | 8.1 | 24.3 | 5 | 15 |
| Total | 46.7 | 31 |
Day of Blood (Blood Magic, Greater)
School: Transmutation & Divination; Level 8
Casting time: 80 minutes
Material Components: The powdered remains of a sentient (Int greater than 3) creature or creatures of no less then 8 HD (bonemeal, dried organs, etc...)
Blood Component: Sacrifice of 16 HD worth of sentient creatures who must be hung from the tree, or if the branches will not support them, impaled before its roots.
Special: The value of the sacrifice is modified by the following factors:
Required Caster: Druid or Adept (Old Gods) level 4; Arcane caster level 7
Secondary Casters: Up to five
Skill Checks: Knowledge Nature (DC 25) 2 success; Knowledge Religion (DC 20) 2 success; Craft Wood-Carving (DC 16) 2 successes; Spellcraft (DC 26) 2 successes
Backlash: All base metal objects in a 50 ft radios of the Nascent Heart Tree fall to dust
Effects:
Primary: Grow a Heart-Tree from a sapling in the span of the ritual, which serves as the focus of a permanent CL 20 Hallow or Unhallow spell (Primary caster's choice)
Secondary: Select an effect or effects to be tied to the Hallow or Unhallow effect from the list ordinarily permitted for such a purpose, up to a maximum of three.
Failure: Primary caster becomes bound to the site of the weirwood and may not travel more than 100 ft from it until such a time as the ritual is complete. If the ritual fails a second time while a creature is so bound the creature dies, its remains feeding the Heart Tree allowing it to grow to full size regardless. A creature so slain cannot be returned from the dead save by the spells Reincarnate and True Reincarnate.
School: Transmutation & Divination; Level 8
Casting time: 80 minutes
Material Components: The powdered remains of a sentient (Int greater than 3) creature or creatures of no less then 8 HD (bonemeal, dried organs, etc...)
Blood Component: Sacrifice of 16 HD worth of sentient creatures who must be hung from the tree, or if the branches will not support them, impaled before its roots.
Special: The value of the sacrifice is modified by the following factors:
- Low Intelligence (INT 3 to 6): -50%
- Native Outsider: +25%
- Fey: +30%
- True Outsider (Called): +35%
- Aberration: +35%
- Undead: +40%
- Cold Subtype: +50%
- Caster (not SLAs): +25%
- Dragon: +35%
- Willing Sacrifice (no magical compulsions): +100%
- Mythic: +2 HD to base subject to all bonuses for every Mythic Rank
- 1 Secondary effect: 24 HD worth of sacrifices
- 2 Secondary effects: 36 HD worth of sacrifices
- 3 Secondary effects: 54 HD worth of sacrifices
Required Caster: Druid or Adept (Old Gods) level 4; Arcane caster level 7
Secondary Casters: Up to five
Skill Checks: Knowledge Nature (DC 25) 2 success; Knowledge Religion (DC 20) 2 success; Craft Wood-Carving (DC 16) 2 successes; Spellcraft (DC 26) 2 successes
Backlash: All base metal objects in a 50 ft radios of the Nascent Heart Tree fall to dust
Effects:
Primary: Grow a Heart-Tree from a sapling in the span of the ritual, which serves as the focus of a permanent CL 20 Hallow or Unhallow spell (Primary caster's choice)
Secondary: Select an effect or effects to be tied to the Hallow or Unhallow effect from the list ordinarily permitted for such a purpose, up to a maximum of three.
Failure: Primary caster becomes bound to the site of the weirwood and may not travel more than 100 ft from it until such a time as the ritual is complete. If the ritual fails a second time while a creature is so bound the creature dies, its remains feeding the Heart Tree allowing it to grow to full size regardless. A creature so slain cannot be returned from the dead save by the spells Reincarnate and True Reincarnate.
Special Project Stockpile:
| Sacrifices | Presumed Individual HD | Total HD | Old Gods Bonuses | Individual HD after Old Gods bonuses |
Total HD after Old Gods Bonuses |
Individual CR |
Total CR |
Reason |
|
1 Colossal Fiendish Monstrous Spiders |
32 HD | 32 HD | -50% (Low Intelligence) +35% (True Outsider) | 27.2 HD | 27.2 HD | 13 | 13 | Valyrian Steel |
| 1 Wizard Creature Pleasure Devil | 12 HD | 12 HD | +25% (Caster) +35% (True Outsider) | 19.2 HD | 19.2 HD | 13 | 13 | Fungus Forge |
| 1 Sorcerer Creature Blood Maidens | 12 HD | 12 HD | +25% (Caster) | 15 HD | 15 HD | 10 | 10 | Fungus Forge |
| 1 Imp Sorcerer 4 | 7 HD | 7 HD | +25% (Caster) +35% (True Outsider) | 11.2 HD | 11.2 HD | 6 | 6 | Potential Recruit |
| 1 Desert Devil | 8 HD | 8 HD | +35% (True Outsider) | 10.8 HD | 10.8 HD | 6 | 6 | Fungus Forge |
| 1 Sand Devil | 4 HD | 4 HD | +35% (True Outsider) | 5.4 HD | 5.4 HD | 3 | 3 | Fungus Forge |
| 1 Zebub | 4 HD | 4 HD | +35% (True Outsider) | 5.4 HD | 5.4 HD | 3 | 3 | Fungus Forge |
| 1 Obsidian Devil | 10 HD | 10 HD | +35% (True Outsider) | 13.5 HD | 13.5 HD | 6 | 6 | Fungus Forge |
| 1 Harvester Devil Sorcerer (4 levels Sorcerer) | 13 HD | 13 HD | +35% (True Outsider) +25% (Caster) | 20.8 HD | 20.8 HD | 11 | 11 | Potential Recruit |
| Astral Dreadnaught | 18 HD | 18 HD | +35% (True Outsider) | 24.3 HD | 24.3 HD | 17 | 17 | Possibly upgrade Xor's eye, or short of that try to reverse-engineer the anti-magic field effect |
| 1 Greater Intellect Devourer (Advanced by HD, Psion caster 13) | 13 HD | 13 HD | +35% (Aberration), +25% (Caster) | 20.8 HD | 20.8 HD | 16 | 16 | To be the sacrifice for Merling King's participation in creation of Tiamat-Snare among other gods. |
| 1 Lormar (level 11 Wizard) | 11 HD | 11 HD | +25% (Caster) | 13.75 HD | 13.75 HD | 10 | 10 | To be questioned and sacrificed. |
| 1 Lormar's Apprentice | 5 HD | 5 HD | +25% (Caster) | 6.25 HD | 6.25 HD | 4 | 4 | To be questioned and possibly subverted based on the results of questioning. |
| 1 Advanced Glided Devil Cleric Creature | 12 HD | 12 HD | +35% (True Outsider), +25 % (caster) | 19.2 HD | 19.2 HD | 12 | 12 | To be sacrificed in Moss-Forge to gain access to Cleric Creature template. |
| Total | 192 HD | 114 CR |
| Sacrifices | Presumed Individual CL | Total CL | Bonuses | Individual CL after Bonuses | Total CL after Bonuses |
| Arson Ice-Axes' frost magic axes | CL 8 | CL 8 | None | CL 8 | CL 8 |
| Gilded Devil's Loot | CL 13 | CL 13 | None | CL 13 | CL 13 |
| 3 Winterborn Ala Talismans (2 Amulets, 1 Ring) | CL 5 | CL 15 | None | CL 5 | CL 15 |
| Wyrm-Breaker Spear | CL 8 | CL 8 | None | CL 8 | CL 8 |
| 3 Fire Giant Greatswords (+1) | CL 5 | CL 15 | None | CL 5 | CL 15 |
| Claw sheaths that give the worn creature's claws the keen property and count as evil for the purposes of overcoming damage residence. | CL 7 | CL 7 | None | CL 7 | CL 7 |
| 2 Djezet Skin | CL 5 | CL 10 | +2 (Strength Domain) | CL 7 | CL 14 |
| Cursed Bracelet | CL 5 | CL 5 | None | CL 5 | CL 5 |
| Warped Dragonsteel Sword | CL 12 | CL 12 | None | CL 12 | CL 12 |
| Cursed Amulet | CL 14 | CL 14 | None | CL 14 | CL 14 |
| 5 Thanadaemon Staves | CL 11 | CL 55 | None | CL 11 | CL 55 |
| Total CL Accumulated | CL 163 |
Day of Change (Greater)
School: Transmutation & Divination; Level 8
Casting time: 80 minutes
Material Components: The powdered remains of a sentient (Int greater than 3) creature or creatures of no less than 8 HD (bonemeal, dried organs, etc...)
Special: Artifact(s) to be sacrificed. Minimum (combined) caster level:
Required Caster: Druid or Adept (Old Gods) level 4; Arcane caster level 7
Secondary Casters: Up to five
Skill Checks: Knowledge Nature (DC 25) 2 success; Knowledge Religion (DC 20) 2 success; Craft Wood-Carving (DC 16) 2 successes, Spellcraft (DC 26) 2 successes
Backlash: All base metal objects in a 50 ft radios of the Nascent Heart Tree fall to dust
Effects:
Primary: Grow a Heart-Tree from a sapling in the span of the ritual, which serves as the focus of a permanent CL 20 Hallow or Unhallow spell (Primary caster's choice)
Secondary: Select an effect or effects to be tied to the Hallow or Unhallow effect from the list ordinarily permitted for such a purpose, up to a maximum of three.
Failure: A random artifact or 1d4 ordinary magic items in the caster's possession are destroyed. If no such objects exist the failure condition defaults to that of Day of Blood
School: Transmutation & Divination; Level 8
Casting time: 80 minutes
Material Components: The powdered remains of a sentient (Int greater than 3) creature or creatures of no less than 8 HD (bonemeal, dried organs, etc...)
Special: Artifact(s) to be sacrificed. Minimum (combined) caster level:
- 8 for the primary effect
- 12 for for the first secondary effect
- 16 for the second secondary effect
- 20 for the third secondary effect
- Travel, Strength +2
- Protection, Magic +4
- Time +7
Required Caster: Druid or Adept (Old Gods) level 4; Arcane caster level 7
Secondary Casters: Up to five
Skill Checks: Knowledge Nature (DC 25) 2 success; Knowledge Religion (DC 20) 2 success; Craft Wood-Carving (DC 16) 2 successes, Spellcraft (DC 26) 2 successes
Backlash: All base metal objects in a 50 ft radios of the Nascent Heart Tree fall to dust
Effects:
Primary: Grow a Heart-Tree from a sapling in the span of the ritual, which serves as the focus of a permanent CL 20 Hallow or Unhallow spell (Primary caster's choice)
Secondary: Select an effect or effects to be tied to the Hallow or Unhallow effect from the list ordinarily permitted for such a purpose, up to a maximum of three.
Failure: A random artifact or 1d4 ordinary magic items in the caster's possession are destroyed. If no such objects exist the failure condition defaults to that of Day of Blood
1 Hero-Killer Xenarth (CR 15; 11 HD) -- 11 HD Total
14 Flying Chupacabra Corpses (4HD; CR3) -- 56 HD Total
3 Faceless Stalker Corpses (5 HD; CR 4) -- 15 HD Total
1 Shadow-Traced Kamaitachi (14 HD; CR 15) -- 14 HD Total
17 Green Children (8 HD; CR 5) -- 136 HD Total
3 Frost Worms (14 HD; CR 12) -- 42 HD Total
1 Barbed Devil (12 HD; CR 11) -- 12 HD Total
1 Dogai (14 HD; CR 11) -- 14 HD Total
35 HD worth of Ancient Bones bleached by the Astral Currents -- 35 HD Total
5 Bearded Devils (6 HD, CR 5) -- 30 HD Total
Grand Total: 365 HD
Recyclable: 121.667 HD of anything up to CR 5
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Maybe I'm mistaken but it sounded like to me that Waymar was pushing for Dany or Rhaella to rule in everything if Viserys died and had a kid who would be the rightful heir. Andar even mentioned if Viserys had an heir and Waymar just said they would be a bad ruler. I could be wrong but that's what it sounded like to me. Worried because skipping over the rightful heir sets a bad pretense.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I think the argumentation was that against aught else, rather than support a child who could end up being manipulated by outside forces, support Dany who will in turn support the child. Waymar is discussing this from not a pragmatic point of view but instead from a perspective which places implicit trust in Dany and Rhaella, one of whom would overturn mountains to ensure her brother's legacy would live on in some fashion, and the other of whom believes strongly in duty.
Neither of which would seem likely or good vectors for manipulation to try to sway where succession would eventually lie. They would keep basically everything the same, they wouldn't shuffle up court as most of the time happened when a Targ King died and let in the vipers and rats. It would still be mostly bureaucrats and champions, most of whom either owe their loyalty to Viserys first, and institutions second, rather than being willing to sell out to the first crown wearing man or woman with a charming smile.
Neither of which would seem likely or good vectors for manipulation to try to sway where succession would eventually lie. They would keep basically everything the same, they wouldn't shuffle up court as most of the time happened when a Targ King died and let in the vipers and rats. It would still be mostly bureaucrats and champions, most of whom either owe their loyalty to Viserys first, and institutions second, rather than being willing to sell out to the first crown wearing man or woman with a charming smile.
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- United States
Waymar was indeed pushing for that. That said, Dany and Rhaella would both categorically refuse to pass over Viserys' heir, and would instead rule as regents. So Waymar would end up just supporting them in that.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Waymar is a warrior, he's not going to trust leadership to someone who would end up leaning on advisers regardless against what seems to be shaping up to be a constant and ongoing war effort.
As @Duesal said, he's not trying to lay the seeds of civil war here, he's trying to say that you shouldn't tie your support to the wagon that anyone can steer, but instead to the one that has any hypothetical child's best interests at heart--whether they see it as that or not.
As @Duesal said, he's not trying to lay the seeds of civil war here, he's trying to say that you shouldn't tie your support to the wagon that anyone can steer, but instead to the one that has any hypothetical child's best interests at heart--whether they see it as that or not.
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I assumed flipping the crown to Danny if we for real die was the plan, have we not made such known?