A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I am curious about the Riverlands. I remember there was a certain undead resting in the tombs of the Riverlands. Has he been found yet? @DragonParadox
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Dany is our publicly acknowledged heir. Anyone who is aware of the law should be aware of this.
When we have a child with Lya, that child becomes the new heir. In the event that we're supremely unlucky and die beyond the means of being brought back, the child is the heir in name while Daenerys and Rhaella serve as regents and keep everything running.
It's not as bad as you think. He is completely right in saying it's insane for an infant to rule as well as an opportunity for power-grabbers to royally screw everything up. Therefore it's better to support Dany and Rhaella to take over instead in spite of them being women.
Fortunately for us, both Dany and Rhaella would never take away our heir's birthright, and would be damn good regents.
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I would hope that Dany acts like a good sister and searches the known and unknown parts of the Multiverse for the scraps of our soul.
True death is usually not absolute.
Even Yss' victims could likely be reconstructed if someone were to kill Yss and wring out what remains of him for the parts of his food.
I suspect even a Frost Dragon's breath could be undone by the right means.
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She definitely would.
That said I'm just going to sit here in my corner and pretend Waymar isn't making contingencies for the event of our death. A man gets nervous when that happens.
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It's all contingencies for Case R:She definitely would.
That said I'm just going to sit here in my corner and pretend Waymar isn't making contingencies for the event of our death. A man gets nervous when that happens.
Viserys has it with the shithole that is Planetos and retreats to his Demiplane of Beachparties to recover from burnout for a few centuries.
Update in beta.
Pretty much. Waymar is concerned that an infant could be used as a figurehead to break the realm whereas he knows and trusts Dany. However his main worry is that there would be no child and the realm would just break precisely when it needs to be strong.
No he is still in his tomb.
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Does he have any good loot that Bloodraven is willing to give us?
If Viserys were to die without having a kid yeah that's the plan. If Viserys had a kid they would be the heir.
I'm not denying that. Power grabbing could be a problem. Dany and Rhaella would be great regents. The problem is that's not what Waymar proposed though. Passing over rightful heirs is a bad pretense and it's one of our cases for taking back the Seven Kingdoms. See if Waymar said Dany should pass over Viserys kid imagine all the problems that would bring. Especially if Waymar got a good support going for it.
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Fixed that for you
Its one of the things we keep him around for~She definitely would.
That said I'm just going to sit here in my corner and pretend Waymar isn't making contingencies for the event of our death. A man gets nervous when that happens.
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We're still not eager to discuss having children with Lya, hope your prepared for that on your end at least @DragonParadox
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And the thing is that would be stopped cold by Dany. She wouldn't stand for it.
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But his choice of class and feats.
He can't jump in front of any hits.
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You know, I'm just now realizing this, but this Dany doesn't want to rule compared to canon Dany not because she thinks she would be bad at it--to be fair canon Dany, while she made tremendously horrible mistakes, was actually learning pretty quickly. Just not quickly enough to make a difference. ASWaH!Dany would learn even faster.
She doesn't want the absolute power that Viserys has because she's afraid of what she would do with it.
...we really need to fucking murder Tiamat, for that.
She doesn't want the absolute power that Viserys has because she's afraid of what she would do with it.
...we really need to fucking murder Tiamat, for that.
That could lead to trouble also. Like imagine Waymar asking Dany to pass over Viserys kid. She would be angry at him and anyone else Waymar got to support it. Dany would never support it. It's that if brought up to her could lead to trouble.
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You're really underestimating the friendship among the Companions, dude. If Waymar lays out his reasoning to Dany they would have a conversation about it, and Dany would clearly explain why she'd be a regent and not the actual monarch.
Winning Vote:
[] Plan Bloodraven Download
-[] Remain in Oldtown
--[] Speak with Bloodraven Telepathically using the Varys Simulacrum as a go-between in order to learn what he knows of the High Septon and any other power players among the Faith, especially those expected to attend the Conclave.
--[] Speak at Septon Kyle's gathering as Dywen.
---[] Preach against fear in all its forms; fear of the unknown, of those who are different, of those who possess magic, and of simple change. Focus on hope for the future and the positive effects a society unburdened by the unreasonable fears which can turn good men into tyrants, faithful men into sinners, and charitable men into misers.
Attached Minor Action:
[] Meet with your uncle again.
-[] Gather on the lore of Green Dream and what else the Old Gods' collective can share with you on creation of deity-like systems.
--[] Additionaly, try to gain a better understanding of just how much power do Old Gods hold, how much of an increase to them is sacrifice, and how particular effects (heart trees grown in unique circumstances like leylines or other planes) affect their pool of power.
-[] Ask Old Gods about the artifact given to you by the Faceless Man, you have a suspicion it might be counting down to an event they, too, feel coming.
-[] Ask him if a divine Avatar like Yss' or Bitch-Queen's can be turned into a sort of syphon, permanently seeping off power from the deity.
[] Plan Bloodraven Download
-[] Remain in Oldtown
--[] Speak with Bloodraven Telepathically using the Varys Simulacrum as a go-between in order to learn what he knows of the High Septon and any other power players among the Faith, especially those expected to attend the Conclave.
--[] Speak at Septon Kyle's gathering as Dywen.
---[] Preach against fear in all its forms; fear of the unknown, of those who are different, of those who possess magic, and of simple change. Focus on hope for the future and the positive effects a society unburdened by the unreasonable fears which can turn good men into tyrants, faithful men into sinners, and charitable men into misers.
Attached Minor Action:
[] Meet with your uncle again.
-[] Gather on the lore of Green Dream and what else the Old Gods' collective can share with you on creation of deity-like systems.
--[] Additionaly, try to gain a better understanding of just how much power do Old Gods hold, how much of an increase to them is sacrifice, and how particular effects (heart trees grown in unique circumstances like leylines or other planes) affect their pool of power.
-[] Ask Old Gods about the artifact given to you by the Faceless Man, you have a suspicion it might be counting down to an event they, too, feel coming.
-[] Ask him if a divine Avatar like Yss' or Bitch-Queen's can be turned into a sort of syphon, permanently seeping off power from the deity.
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Part MMDCCCXX: The Roots of Divinity
The Roots of Divinity
Thirteenth Day of the Ninth Month 293 AC
In the end you travel no further than a darkened room where you can meditate upon the twice echoing voice of Bloodraven carried through the puppet-body. You find him at first quite frustrated with something, though when he hears the purpose of your call a mental sigh travels through the ethereal thread of power: "The queen is growing more frantic by the day with news from the east, news of the tourney seems to have broken the shell of disdain she has been carefully been insulating herself with for years. The woman is the worst sort of fool, one convinced of her own genius."
"That could serve us in the end," you note.
"Much like a serpent in a box she will serve for a moment, but be troublesome for all the ones before," he answers with a mental sigh.
Not having anything you can help with from so faraway, not any advice worth giving without spending far more time than you can afford listening to an account of the Usurper's court, you ask instead what his opinion of the High Septon and his envoy is as well as anything else he might have heard of the other important players of the Conclave.
The answers are by turn hopeful and troubling, the High Septon is a man of deep faith whose animosity towards you seems to be wholly genuine and rooted in that very fact. There are no vices to exploit, but neither does he seem overly impressed by calls for peace and reason. His alliance with the Lannisters while still uneasy at its core had been tested and found sound enough times that he will not be easily turned from their side. It seems more and more likely that he will have to be killed when you take King's Landing, or perhaps before it as an assassination if you can conceive of a way to have the blame land elsewhere.
By contrast Most Devout Septa Aglantine is a woman known more for sternness than eloquence, whose grip on her faction might all too easily slip to one as gifted as Most Devout Septon Kyle. The two have known each other for years and from Bloodraven's animatedly indirect accounts of that feud Kyle had won most of the confrontations.
Of the others he has less to say, Maer is likely to shed some support from Vale septons who might feel less inclined to stern piety away from the eyes of their flock, and as to brother Lucan the Last Greenseer has but a single warning to give, he is still alive, the first and only Chosen of the Father since the Seven have begun moving in the world. "It will be a relief to me when he finally breathes his last, he has been a troubling distraction from deeper things."
Of deeper things indeed you speak then, first of which the mechanism given to you by the Faceless Man the Old Gods know nothing about for the stars are strange to them and wheels even more so, but Brynden Rivers can guess at least a little. "Your notion is fair, Your Grace, it likely counts the moments until Nightfall, if not to the last than at least until the coming of some celestial herald, perhaps a Wandering Star. I would be interested to know who could make such a clock that would turn even with the fading of magic."
From there he moves on to the matter of god-birth, or from your perceptive, god crafting. The birth of the Old Gods lies with the Fey, particularly with the lost kindred of Fey who were to the Singers what Dragons are to the Dragonborn, they who were closest to the earth and loved it deeply, who knowingly abandoned eternity for the birthing-and-becoming of mortals. To craft a god then as the Green Dream was wrought one must bridge the gap between the eternal and the transient, and upon that bridge add branch after branch and leaf after leaf. Thus you discover that every Heart Tree is a small crossing of ley lines, every root a narrow stream. To imitate the process you would first have to find a substance as conductive to the powers of your working as Weirwoods are to the powers of nature.
God-Crafting Lore Gained [Research Branch Unlocked]
On the matter of quantifying the power the Old Gods receive from acts of sacrifice and the slow growth of Heart Trees Bloodraven is less specific simply because there is no single answer for him to hear, no absolute value that one can mark down on parchment like a clerk at his books. Generally speaking those sacrifices the Old Gods hold in highest regard are also the ones that empower them the most, and the heady rush of sacrifice is far more swiftly used than that which flows naturally through the ley lines."If I had only the sluggish power of the earth to call on when restoring your mother than it would have been nine years not nine heartbeats for the spell to work," he explains. "That does not mean that power is lesser. By its might islands had been sunk and mountains carved, such as it was when the Hammer of Waters fell. Blood-wrought power was only the first note to wake a sleeping giant."
One final question you have of your communion, one Dany had asked you to pass along: if one might turn a divine avatar into an eternal wound in the body of its maker, through which might its power be drained? Which god, or rather goddess your sister, is considering for such a fate is obvious to both of you.
"Yes..." the answer is slow in coming. "I must warn, however, that such a thing would be extraordinarily perilous. The god in question would have to have a enduring connection to the broken avatar, with connections comes influence."
"Thank you and farewell, Lord Bloodraven," you send back with warm sincerity.
"And to you good hunting, Your Grace," he answers with a flash of humor and approval in the words.
***
As you leave to Lymond's Watch in the guise of Dywen you lay such thoughts aside as a knight might set aside his sword and shield, for he is above all else a man of peace, neither warrior or spy but a humble traveler. A touch too humble for Septon Kyle's townhouse at least at first for the footman at the door almost refuses to even consider that you might have been invited to such an august event, but in the end the hurdle is passed leaving you to walk among the guests, mostly Reacher godsworn, entertained in the manner of nobility, though with more of a scholarly bent than a martial one.
What do you focus on?
[] Trying to gain the support of as many godsworn as you can
[] Just get your invitation
[] Attempt to subtly undermine Kyle's position with hints of his true purpose
[] Write in
OOC: If something was unclear in Bloodraven's answers I can just clarify out of character since you do have a semi-constant line to him.
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Your probably right. I don't know maybe I'm just being paranoid. Dany usually follows her emotions and this sounds like something that could case trouble. Like the fact their friends just sounds like that make it hurt more when she hears it. Most likely just paranoid though.
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People, there is ZERO risk of our eventual child heirs being manipulated once we die.
You know why? Because this is D&D, and all those suckers are level 6 at best.
Honestly.
We have a cadre of high-level PCs loyal to each other, rich, and skilled. They could probably whip up a fake Viserys and pretend we've never died : it would certainly work well enough to fool anyone of importance in Planetos.
Otherwise, they could just say "Daenerys is in charge" and straight-up murder any shithead trying to turn our baby king into a tool. Garin exists. Lya is OP. Etc, etc.
Worst case they keep control of ours lands through Diplomancy (Daenerys has great socials and buffs), possibly Diplomancing not just Legion leaders but entire populations thorough massive buffs and silver mirrors. Control the army and avoid being hated by the people : everything is fine! You can handle the nobles yourself : you're a team of high-level, high-buffs and high-skills PCs. Worst case they lose legitimacy in Westeros and the conquest becomes bloodier or is cancelled. Not a huge loss, honestly.
Daenerys can also turn into a Dragon. That'll help
You know why? Because this is D&D, and all those suckers are level 6 at best.
Honestly.
We have a cadre of high-level PCs loyal to each other, rich, and skilled. They could probably whip up a fake Viserys and pretend we've never died : it would certainly work well enough to fool anyone of importance in Planetos.
Otherwise, they could just say "Daenerys is in charge" and straight-up murder any shithead trying to turn our baby king into a tool. Garin exists. Lya is OP. Etc, etc.
Worst case they keep control of ours lands through Diplomancy (Daenerys has great socials and buffs), possibly Diplomancing not just Legion leaders but entire populations thorough massive buffs and silver mirrors. Control the army and avoid being hated by the people : everything is fine! You can handle the nobles yourself : you're a team of high-level, high-buffs and high-skills PCs. Worst case they lose legitimacy in Westeros and the conquest becomes bloodier or is cancelled. Not a huge loss, honestly.
Daenerys can also turn into a Dragon. That'll help
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Should be wound. will fix,
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Well then.
That neatly scizzors away most of the "learn what that thing is"-action, leaving us with but asking our best doggos about it.
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@DragonParadox, I would appreciate a write-up (a line or two, really), on what that research would start with, and the Progress/Cost numbers for it.
Just the usual format for RAs as in the threadmarked post.
I don't really understand the matter well enough to guess myself :/