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Yrael is a CR 10 equivalent then? How do archons even evolve?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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We never do that when getting Archons.
Or Devils for that matter.
The payment-system from D&D is a quick-and-dirty way to make Calling possible for players without long discussions about their cause and purpose with the summoned creature, not something we use here.
egoo
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Ah.
My bad, my bad.
Usually, the caws for a loot found within a chapter lead directly to accquiring said loot, you see?
I got too used to that, it seems
Crake
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Basically it's for the lazy man's pen and paper RPG table.
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That's fair. Can we ask anyway? Even if its a shot in the dark it's free and the payout could be massive.
Edit: @Crake I will dispute that.
Asking for a quest from a solar so that they will use their wish power to do something awesome is a fantastic quest opener.
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He's a bit stronger.
He has a base of a Legion Archon which is CR 7, then he has a Cleric Creature template which boosts his CR by 2, and on top of that he has three levels of Cleric.
For all intents and purposes he is CR 12.
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Not really.
He's a effectivly a level 9 cleric in a tough 11HD Outsider-body.
I'd put him at CR 10, maybe 11 since it's a strong build and he has decent equipment.
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@DragonParadox how do archons work? Are the different types of archons born or do they slowly ascend to new types like Pokémon evolution?
Crake
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It's okay for a generic D&D setting. High level angels should be too busy to play genie sans monkey paw for plucky adventurers.
And actually, I take issue with conventional adventurers in the first place. Most of the games I've played have actually had the Party be something other than murderhobos or at best JRPG protagonists with a theme.
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Agreed, a planetar would snap him like a twig. As sad as that makes me.
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Fair, different strokes, different folks @Crake I never saw anything wrong with a little fetch questing as long as the challenge is engaging myself.
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That's just how the CR stacks up. Everyone's always told me PC levels always increase CR by 1. If there's a different way to calculate it then it's news to me.
A Planetar is CR 16. It won't matter if Yrael is CR 12 or CR 10, the outcome would be the same if he doesn't have backup.
They can ascend thorough age or great deeds, though those who choose to do so are a relative minority. Most archons are content with their place in the universe.
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Yeah we may need to send him on more adventures. Or do something there. He is kind of on the low scale and his nature makes it difficult to get strong
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I take it Yrael has a far greater sense of urgency?
By the way, @DragonParadox, have we brought him up to speed on the various apocalypses yet? It just occurred to me that we never had a scene for that.
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So Digimon then?
Er... maybe. I never watched the show.
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Crake
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Yrael thinks of himself as a soldier first, and a Lord second, and always planned to step down.
I see it more likely that his view of magic being essential to Mantarys' prosperity for future generations as leading to him progressing in Cleric a bit more, before leading the eventual Imperial Host we put together to slap the shit out of the fiends fighting over Heaven.
Edit: Of course if he digivolves that would be pleasant. We should be sure to get him a gift to commemorate it.
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Is he close to ascension or does he need to do something else? We can send him out to do great deeds. I imagine liberating an entire region from slaves counts as such?
Crake
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Preventing it from collapse into anarchy and bloodshed as per canon would fit the bill to a 'T'.
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Eh, they should, but just look at the result and compare it to other monsters that size.
Is a 11HD Outsider with Level 9 Cleric casting really worth CR 12?
Take a look at the Couatl: Couatl
Similar casting, one HD more, the stats and natural SLAs are actually better. Yet CR 10.
Example for a classlevel being worth less than a CR, if you give one of our Erinyes a Wizard level, I would say it doesn't raise her CR at all.
She can't use the magic in her armor (and if she could CL 1 spells would be of extremly limited use anyway), the 1d4 doesn't help her much, not even the BAB is raised.
Only a bit better willsave and the HD itself would not be worth 1 CR more.
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[X] Speak to Lord Hightower to try and gain his support
-[X] Send his sister in first to approach him
-[X] Get an impression of his character, needs and wants before deciding on the offer to make him.
Having the support of the Hightowers makes everything else much easier.
-[X] Send his sister in first to approach him
-[X] Get an impression of his character, needs and wants before deciding on the offer to make him.
Having the support of the Hightowers makes everything else much easier.
Yrael does not really know. He has been pushing himself in unusual directions for one of his station and rank.
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Hm... custom Warlord Archon? I don't think there is a default Archon that really covers the fusion of military commander and temporal lord.
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The rituals and ablations required to ascend to trumpet Archon would likely require several months... and... well...
O.k.
Listen.
Were not good. Exactly. Really. Kind of.
Part of being an Archon is casting away doubt and uncertainty about righteousness and the way the world should be.
We've...
For goodness. For all of goods creatures. Our effectiveness has likely created a LOT of uncertainty. To put it as mildly as possible.
[X] Speak to Lord Hightower to try and gain his support
-[X] Send his sister in first to approach him
-[X] Get an impression of his character, needs and wants before deciding on the offer to make him.
O.k.
Listen.
Were not good. Exactly. Really. Kind of.
Part of being an Archon is casting away doubt and uncertainty about righteousness and the way the world should be.
We've...
For goodness. For all of goods creatures. Our effectiveness has likely created a LOT of uncertainty. To put it as mildly as possible.
[X] Speak to Lord Hightower to try and gain his support
-[X] Send his sister in first to approach him
-[X] Get an impression of his character, needs and wants before deciding on the offer to make him.
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