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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
... How is the connection to the Conclave not clear? Or generic?

A Tiamat Cult straight up sneaked inside the Temple of the Smith, subtly creating a widespread Tiamat religion.

Meanwhile, the mortal side is supporting the demon priest and preparing to make people hate us through a false-flag operation.

And while that is happening, there's a Deep One spy moving enthralled people within the city for as-of-yet unknown purposes, and either it or the Cult is unware of each-other's existence, as someone is being used here.

It's a great set-up.
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The problem was that the other end of the thread was hung in empty aid, upon this nebulous mass of 'the Conclave' wihout even knowing who will attend or what their positions are.

Alucard Bellsing said:
Why are there more Most Devout in the Westerlands than in the Reach ? The Reach has a bigger population, territory and the Starry sept a pretty important place for the Faith of the Seven is here, I would expect the Reach to be the region with the most septon and most devout. Unless it follows a different criteria for how many most devout per region ?
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The criteria are at least formally 'whatever the High Septon says they are'.
 
@Snowfire my point is that no-one will dare torture what's a very high ranking Lantern Bearer, who says "my source is trustworthy" while under no compulsions of any sort. And I doubt a hard mofo like that will buckle under anything softer.

The only one likely to have remotely sufficient authority is Lord Hightower himself.

And that's someone that:
a) We should drop by for a chat anyway.
b) Doesn't really matter if he knows we were here. It's widely spread that we can teleport, and killing obvious demons and deep spawn is far from a bad thing.

There is no realistic way for this to become, at most, anything besides the wild rumors that already fly.

The Lantern Bearers are people we want to befriend and evetually fold into our own organizations.
DragonParadox said:
The problem was that the other end of the thread was hung in empty aid, upon this nebulous mass of 'the Conclave' wihout even knowing who will attend or what their positions are.
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Fair enough. It'd not be the first time where a little more background information would have been useful.

This might even be a good way of letting the days flow, too. Spend a day or three information gathering.
 
Sigh*

We should totally crash their religious party.

Just tell Lucan "thanks for splintering your faith into uselessness and giving the old gods so much fertilizer."

"If you ever decide to stop hiding give me a call and we can settle this like men... Well a man and a dragon anyway."
 
DragonParadox said:
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That is very unlikely to hold water for long. Remember the fellow you met was not the most socially competent. It is fair to assume he would keep a secret but he is unlikely to do so well.
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I mean, see above.

Viserys won't be seen in public, in as much as a secret magical raid against demons and cultists is public. And that's generally all that matters here, given our ambitions.

We can show up to fight as Vraithe or whoever, throw some fire around.

Say Lord Hightower forces him to spit the 'secret': what then?

We'd just have dismantled a seriously dangerous demon cult, and deepspawn infiltrator besides.
 
zxzx24 said:
"If you ever decide to stop hiding give me a call and we can settle this like men... Well a man and a dragon anyway."
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"To be clear, because somehow I don't think you got the subtlety there, that means you will be roasted. Not eaten though, I don't particularly like the taste of monkey. The trees are plenty hungry enough for you."
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I mean, see above.

Viserys won't be seen in public, in as much as a secret magical raid against demons and cultists is public. And that's generally all that matters here, given our ambitions.

We can show up to fight as Vraithe or whoever, throw some fire around.

Say Lord Hightower forces him to spit the 'secret': what then?

We'd just have dismantled a seriously dangerous demon cult, and deepspawn infiltrator besides.
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Well for one thing he would know you were in Oldtown for the conclave. Now in the case of Hightower that is probably fine since you want to speak to him too but I imagine there are other people you do not want to associate any conclave messes with potential dragon interference.
 
Wasn't our goal basically to cause chaos in the faith?

Everyone being alive, but paranoid and suspicious of each others motives should help with that ya?
 
Could we pretend to be a septon from, I don't know the middle of nowhere or returning from an overseas mission trip, visit the corrupted Sept to get a pretext then run into the lantern bearer we like and totally accidentally but actually divined where to find him to report it?

That seems to give us cover and sets the lantern bearers up to deal with our problem. Then if they need back up disguise ourselves as one of them in the chaos of fighting in the sept.
 
DragonParadox said:
Well for one thing he would know you were in Oldtown for the conclave. Now in the case of Hightower that is probably fine since you want to speak to him too but I imagine there are other people you do not want to associate any conclave messes with potential dragon interference.
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Considering most people can't prove we weren't there, I'm not terribly worried.

We can have Hightower put down his foot to let LB be, too. Problem essentially solved.
 
You know what? Fine.

[X] Contact the Lantern Bearers
-[X] Create a suitably believable persona and contact the one spying on the Smith's Temple, or the one you already know if your persona could reasonably come by him without drawing too much suspicion.
-[X] Mindblank them before revealing too much, and then tell of what you've found, requesting what they have in return so you can jointly strike both demons and deep ones down.

Let DP come up with one.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know what? Fine.

[X] Contact the Lantern Bearers
-[X] Create a suitably believable persona and contact the one spying on the Smith's Temple, or the one you already know if your persona could reasonably come by him without drawing too much suspicion.
-[X] Mindblank them before revealing too much, and then tell of what you've found, requesting what they have in return so you can jointly strike both demons and deep ones down.

Let DP come up with one.
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Aww, I wanted to have Viserys contact him. I don't see the need or advantage in subterfuge to this degree, not when contacting a known Lantern Bearer.

Hell, we can alter his memory of the meeting afterward, if he wishes.
 
[X] Totallynotevil
At this point, any sort of movement forward is better than staying on the issue.
 
Ok, so people fancy the setup with two different cults interfering with the Conclave and immediately decide to destroy both cults before they can in any way or form actually interact with the Conclave, negating any narrative weight they might have had.

But it's awesome that they could have had some kind of meaning!

Makes perfect sense.
 
Azel said:
Ok, so people fancy the setup with two different cults interfering with the Conclave and immediately decide to destroy both cults before they can in any way or form actually interact with the Conclave, negating any narrative weight they might have had.

But it's awesome that they could have had some kind of meaning!

Makes perfect sense.
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I was going to respond to this with rather more... Spice, but I want to engage with it honestly. Is this actually what you think of the people who have a different opinions to you about this? Are you truly this derisive of people with different tastes? I'd be happy to explain why I both like that set up and am happy to see us avert disaster (or not), but I'm not going to waste my time if it's going to result in more mean spirited sniping.
 
So the lantern bearers seem to already know about the Smith's temple. Do we actually need to do anything about it now?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to try to set it up so the lantern bearers go in on it right around the conclave to stir the pot some more. We can leave people to keep an eye on the deep ones and the golden company while we do whatever prep is needed.

Edit: maybe try to get some septons or something involved with the Sept fight would help cause problems. Could be how we control the thing is as a septon.
 
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Guys I messed up the pacing in my own estimation I explained why I feel that way and what I intend to do to fix it, please do not pick over it too deeply though especially not arguing about the narrative merits of certain IC choices. I am genuinely concerned the discussion is going to turn sour and it is really late which makes me even more concerned over what might be said overnight.
 
@DragonParadox how long is it until the Conclave?

Also, @Goldfish I entirely forgot we could wipe minds like that. It has given me an idea. As has the excellent writeup on those factions present at the Conclave.
 
@DragonParadox, so since Lucan is pretty much reviving the Faith Militant openly, how's that viewed by the Iron Throne? Wasn't one of the conditions Jaehaerys before them set for peace that there never be a Faith Militant again? Aren't they directly threatening the power of the crown by their mere existence?
 
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