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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
Even so I think I have been focusing on said hooks wrong since everything looks murky. I'm thinking of doing an ample informational post on the politics of Oldtown soon so you guys can make plans knowing more before acting

Thoughts?
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I mean, what? It would be molehills if we were trying to pop by to deal with one issue, and you constructed the narrative in such a way as to make it impossible to untangle one thread without getting tangled in all the threads.

We're here for a whole month, so that is less of an issue.
 
I am of the inclination to let the Deep Ones and Tiamat's cult to fight it out. Manipulate one side to fight the other and then swoop in and kill them. Also do we know where the stolen Drakenbeast is? It has an intelligence of 2 and a charisma of 4 so we can hit those two stats and take it out of the equation. We just need a focus from it.
 
[X] Azel

DP, I love this arc. I would be participating a lot more if I weren't on holidays (and thus off the Internet most of the time).
 
The quest is currently alternating between "Make a sales pitch to this group." and "Stomp this intrigue flat without being too blatant about it, because [random restriction]". I'm failing to see how interchangeable baddies building bland doomsday cults in some city or another is interesting at this point. We've been here. For what it feels like a thousand times.

The Tyrells and by extension the Fey court are interesting. Cloaked Goon #5262 isn't.

We've got all those fancy long-term goals, but it feels like a thousand mile march to get to them, not because of the actual effort needed to put into anything, but because we keep wasting time on filler.


But apparently I'm the only one who thinks so.
 
Azel said:
But apparently I'm the only one who thinks so.
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*sigh*
no, no you aren't.

I, for one, have an unhealthy distaste for intrigue.

Which mostly comes from just what you describe - little of intrigue feels important to me.

When we were investigating the court of Salamanders' Queen? I was invested.
This whole thing with us carefully setting this whole debate of faith on fire? I'm interested in this too.

But, just like with that Lannister spy, we seem to catch onto anything that looks like a ploothook, and few of those feel anywhat important :/

...I hate to speak on the topic because I find it hard to put my feelings to words :/
 
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Well from the perspective of an outsider looking in, it seems like people are having less fun doing things and more going through the motions to get to something more interesting/get some cool loot, which seems like an easy enough problem to solve.

If intrigue isn't your thing, just stop doing intrigue. Viserys is a dragon, have him give a "serve me or die" speech while blatantly showing off his power or something. Do some cool spells or build some cool shit or go on an adventure or something if you're bored. Sure it's not as efficient or won't give as good a results or whatever, but this is a quest. The whole point is to have fun with it :p

Basically, if you're getting bored, shake it up a bit or do something else for awhile or something. If you're not, than just keep trucking on and having fun. :V
 
@Azel
I see this as a decent opportunity to get Dywen (or whoever we chose for this) a positive rep before talking at the council.

Having saved a septon and his flock from literal demons is a step up in the view of most people.

So this particular cult is not important, but could be useful.
 
Artemis1992 said:
@Azel
I see this as a decent opportunity to get Dywen (or whoever we chose for this) a positive rep before talking at the council.

Having saved a septon and his flock from literal demons is a step up in the view of most people.

So this particular cult is not important, but could be useful.
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This will just result in people digging into the story, potentially exposing Dywen and definitely leading to people trying to somehow smear him as a demon worshiper or otherwise unsavory character. He is good at talking. He doesn't need street cred for that. It also doesn't fit his character at all to get glory. That is not the image that persona is meant to go for.


I'm saying "in theory" since the lack of knowledge about what the actual conclave even is, let alone the factions coming there, is so far non-existent. We literally don't even know what they want to do there. Do they just come together and debate? Will there be some kind of vote on an official policy? Is the High Septon presiding over everything?

Zero. Nothing.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Well from the perspective of an outsider looking in, it seems like people are having less fun doing things and more going through the motions to get to something more interesting/get some cool loot, which seems like an easy enough problem to solve.

If intrigue isn't your thing, just stop doing intrigue. Viserys is a dragon, have him give a "serve me or die" speech while blatantly showing off his power or something. Do some cool spells or build some cool shit or go on an adventure or something if you're bored. Sure it's not as efficient or won't give as good a results or whatever, but this is a quest. The whole point is to have fun with it :p

Basically, if you're getting bored, shake it up a bit or do something else for awhile or something. If you're not, than just keep trucking on and having fun. :V
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See the fact that you re on the outside looking in and not more involved feels like a loss to me in terms of crafting an engaging story. I'm interested too know what inclines you to participate less, maybe it's something I can correct and that will help me write better stories going forward.
 
Azel said:
This will just result in people digging into the story, potentially exposing Dywen and definitely leading to people trying to somehow smear him as a demon worshiper or otherwise unsavory character. He is good at talking. He doesn't need street cred for that. It also doesn't fit his character at all to get glory. That is not the image that persona is meant to go for.


I'm saying "in theory" since the lack of knowledge about what the actual conclave even is, let alone the factions coming there, is so far non-existent. We literally don't even know what they want to do there. Do they just come together and debate? Will there be some kind of vote on an official policy? Is the High Septon presiding over everything?

Zero. Nothing.
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Okay yeah so what is even a conclave? Is it similar to the conclaves of Christian diets where the bishops would come together and decide what is and isn't heresy based on voting? @DragonParadox
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I'm going to write that informational post next.
 
DragonParadox said:
See the fact that you re on the outside looking in and not more involved feels like a loss to me in terms of crafting an engaging story. I'm interested too know what inclines you to participate less, maybe it's something I can correct and that will help me write better stories going forward.
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I doubt it is you.

Sometimes people can't enjoy something if everybody can't agree on a direction to go in. And there is so much going on that it will never be possible to have one constant, immutable policy on the kind of tack to take, or what constitutes an appropriate plan.

This is why lurking can sometimes be more popular than discussion or planning even among users who sometimes do both.
 
Crake said:
I doubt it is you.

Sometimes people can't enjoy something if everybody can't agree on a direction to go in. And there is so much going on that it will never be possible to have one constant, immutable policy on the kind of tack to take, or what constitutes an appropriate plan.

This is why lurking can sometimes be more popular than discussion or planning even among users who sometimes do both.
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*Raises hand*

Guilty.

God lord. I couldn't even imagine 60-70 people all trying to plan and make their votes and voices heard in one thread.

It sounds like it would devolve or get off topic very quickly.
 
DragonParadox said:
See the fact that you re on the outside looking in and not more involved feels like a loss to me in terms of crafting an engaging story. I'm interested too know what inclines you to participate less, maybe it's something I can correct and that will help me write better stories going forward.
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Just to preface this, that wasn't at all because of you. You're one of the best writers on this site in both quality and quantity, and you're able to flexibly craft a great and long running narrative.

I think I backed out of this around the middle of last year? Sometime around that. It was mostly because I felt like I was having the same arguments with the same people about the same things, over and over and over, to the point where participation stopped feeling fun and began to be stressful. Part of that is of course investment (I remember my passion about the idea of Good vs Evil and all the salt that would bring up) but it's also because I feel like people have become really entrenched in how they act and interact with others here (which makes sense for such a long running quest with such a small, tight knit base of participants).

So yeah, it's nothing on your end DP, don't worry about it :p
 
I tend not to participate because my ability to check the thread is very irregular during the day so I usually make it in when there's no vote on or I dont have time to go through it all. This quest is definitely engaging. It's pretty much the only thread I check regularly even when I'm out.

For the current vote I had a couple thoughts. Are septons centrally trained? Or could some random show up claiming to be the septon from east nowhere and be accepted?

And can divination tell how likely it would be for the lantern bearers to succeed at taking the cult base? If it would go badly I wonder if we could impersonate a lantern bearer in the heat of battle then disappear.
 
AQShedim said:
I tend not to participate because my ability to check the thread is very irregular during the day so I usually make it in when there's no vote on or I dont have time to go through it all. This quest is definitely engaging. It's pretty much the only thread I check regularly even when I'm out.

For the current vote I had a couple thoughts. Are septons centrally trained? Or could some random show up claiming to be the septon from east nowhere and be accepted?

And can divination tell how likely it would be for the lantern bearers to succeed at taking the cult base? If it would go badly I wonder if we could impersonate a lantern bearer in the heat of battle then disappear.
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Anyone can just walk around and claim to be a Septon by shoving on a frock and preaching. Noble Septons probably go to major Septs to be initiated formally. Non-Nobles have no rights (as with most small folks), noble septons probably won't go around like Begging Brothers in the first place. The former are usually living it easy in castles, keeps and major Septs across Westeros. The latter preach across the countryside or wander from town to town, sometimes killed if they proselytize the wrong thing where someone with any amount of authority is present to take offense. There's not really much taboo to killing them unless you are pious because there's not really much in the way of consequences. Westeros has little rule of law. Thus, not too much uniformity in religion since the Faith had the authority eroded by House Targaryen.
 
@DragonParadox Personally (and I'm sure I've said it before) the pacing of this quest often means I'll have no idea what's going on or why we're doing something. While I was aware the golden company was planning something at the conclave of the faith, I don't really know what they're planning to do or what the conclave is about. I also had a fun moment when we finished creating the Harbinger's and I had to go back through the thread updates to find out a) what a harbinger was, b) when we'd started building them and c) why we'd built them in the first place.

While I could be wrong, I'm pretty sure most people simply don't know enough about why we're here to feel safe enough to contribute. That's nothing to do with your writing I don't think, Just that this quest is big and complicated and and it's not easy to keep track of everything we're doing. At a certain point you shouldn't worry about trying to make the quest more accessible or inclusive, because doing so would trivialize the challenges and uniqueness of the quest.

Tl;DR Sekiro doesn't need an easy mode.

EDIT: I Guess something that might help me (again not sure about other people) would be a summarized timeline of all the big events that have gone down in this quest. That said, I'm pretty sure an endeavor like that would take a while, so it's probably not the best use of your time.
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Do you know now what they are planning or what the conclave is about or do you want clarification on the matter?
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I think the golden company is planning on burning the conclave down with a fake dragon, thus pinning the blame on us. As for the conclave, my understanding is that no one else seems to know what the conclave is about either which makes sense because no one plays conclave anyway.
 
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