That was totally not my intent.

[Be straightforward with the woman "Lynesse Hightower, you are, from what little I saw, a very clever woman who, because she was born in Westeros, has been prevented from using her mind to the fullest (I can't imagine the frustration).]

I was trying to get across that "You are smart" "You have been denied the opportunity to make use of that" "I am suggesting to you two, I feel, great ways by which you can engage your brain and take control of your future"

The key you are missing here is that noblewomen are not that different from noblemen, either in Essos or Westeros. Admittedly florid language is more of a weakness to eastern-born aristocrats, but being eloquent and elaborate is appreciated in the West too.

Where you are trying to use ten words to tell a noblewoman that she basically could have been great in her own right, oh-so-smart and could be quite to catch outside of their apparent beauty (the only tool she can freely and without constraint use), it would be taken as a grave insult spoken bluntly (to anyone not from the North).

You need to dither and wind your way around the point for a paragraph, deflecting any personal failings of the prickly subject before arriving at the heart of the compliment.
 
[X] Before making any decisions, talk with her for a bit. You have hardly exchanged more then five sentences so far. Ask her a bit about her family, and subtly about her own ambitions, dreams and desires.

Ultimately, I feel we have too little information on her character to decide on anything. Let's fix that first.
 
[X] Before making any decisions, talk with her for a bit. You have hardly exchanged more then five sentences so far. Ask her a bit about her family, and subtly about her own ambitions, dreams and desires.

Ultimately, I feel we have too little information on her character to decide on anything. Let's fix that first.
...Can we decide on that next month?
D:

I really don't want to have trees grown on Monday/Tuesday, I'll be busy!

Petty, I know. Still, I don't care for her enough to not have this done later.
 
[X] Before making any decisions, talk with her for a bit. You have hardly exchanged more then five sentences so far. Ask her a bit about her family, and subtly about her own ambitions, dreams and desires.


Is there a way we can see if she has any magic? Like we have developed a litmus test right? If she does have magic potential then we kinda have to stick her in the Scholarium.
 
[X] Before making any decisions, talk with her for a bit. You have hardly exchanged more then five sentences so far. Ask her a bit about her family, and subtly about her own ambitions, dreams and desires.


Is there a way we can see if she has any magic? Like we have developed a litmus test right? If she does have magic potential then we kinda have to stick her in the Scholarium.

We have several methods to test for magic, but it's worth keeping in mind that anyone particularly clever could become a Hedge Mage, or a WBLomancer with ritual magic thrown in there for utility/preparation based operating.

We're truly High Fantasy now, suckers. We now have distinct delineations between "low magic" and "high magic". When you have to note the difference between the forty minute long ritual an innkeeper does to light a hearth that will last through cold winter months more efficiently, and a spell that will light a forge capable of melting adamantine, you know that good shit is coming soon.

Of course there's also the Valyrian method of either stealing magic (ILLEGAL... if you get caught) from blood or slaughtering hundreds of slaves until the toll of death awakens your latent magic.
 
[X] Before making any decisions, talk with her for a bit. You have hardly exchanged more then five sentences so far. Ask her a bit about her family, and subtly about her own ambitions, dreams and desires.

The key you are missing here is that noblewomen are not that different from noblemen, either in Essos or Westeros. Admittedly florid language is more of a weakness to eastern-born aristocrats, but being eloquent and elaborate is appreciated in the West too.

Where you are trying to use ten words to tell a noblewoman that she basically could have been great in her own right, oh-so-smart and could be quite to catch outside of their apparent beauty (the only tool she can freely and without constraint use), it would be taken as a grave insult spoken bluntly (to anyone not from the North).

You need to dither and wind your way around the point for a paragraph, deflecting any personal failings of the prickly subject before arriving at the heart of the compliment.

See this is where my bias is coming in. I am putting myself in her position, rather than trying to see things from her position. I would love for, if I was a) somehow in a similar position b) somehow had a similar personality to mine now, someone in Visery's position tell me those things directly.

But frankly, since you're coming from a place compatible with "enable/reinforce agency, put in good place, forget about until needed, then forget about again" I'd be interested to see what you come up with on a later vote on this, after we find out what she wants.

'Cuz i think i'm too sleepy to get it atm.
 
[X] Before making any decisions, talk with her for a bit. You have hardly exchanged more then five sentences so far. Ask her a bit about her family, and subtly about her own ambitions, dreams and desires.



See this is where my bias is coming in. I am putting myself in her position, rather than trying to see things from her position. I would love for, if I was a) somehow in a similar position b) somehow had a similar personality to mine now, someone in Visery's position tell me those things directly.

But frankly, since you're coming from a place compatible with "enable/reinforce agency, put in good place, forget about until needed, then forget about again" I'd be interested to see what you come up with on a later vote on this, after we find out what she wants.

'Cuz i think i'm too sleepy to get it atm.

Putting yourself into another person's shoes is not as easy as it sounds, you are already a step ahead if you can admit it is a struggle to see outside perspectives foreign or even alien to your own since it admits that the view point could be worth expanding your understanding.

A noble lady like Lynesse has pride because they have so little choice despite having so much privilege. A peasant is humble because they have so little choice based on having so little privilege--they need to be humble and inconspicuous to avoid notice because anything they do get can be just as easily taken away on a whim.

For Lynesse the idea that all that she is privileged to can be taken away the moment someone with more influence over her decides to do so leads into a circular pattern of trying not to admit that she has not done enough to leverage her other abilities. She has one skill that no one will bat an eye at, simply because it isn't as terrifying at worst or confusing at best to see. A woman gaining and keeping influence and agency based on things other than their ability to influence men. Saying "you could have been so much better" just highlights the anger she will feel when we point out "too bad you're a woman, right?"

Admittedly she wouldn't respond like Cersei and make Viserys a bitter enemy to be disposed of at the merest and lightest implied slight, but it wouldn't really do more than show how out of touch we appear to be, because while to Viserys, saying "fuck the rules" and being a Merchant Pirate Sorcerer Prince is as easy as breathing and had great success, to Lynesse even thinking about trying to become independently wealthy, despite being a noble, would get her all kinds of face-hurting gossip. For someone who can't afford to be anything more than an extension of their current House's fortunes (Mormont).

To say that she was too concerned with living up to her own standards rather than conforming to others is more of a subjective values oriented statement of course, easy for us to make, but utterly alien in perspective to Southron nobility. Of course you keep to your standards, why be born with a diamond encrusted spoon in your mouth in one of the proudest and most ancient Houses otherwise?
 
Either talk with her and find her a place to train up as a stewardess or something, Elia said she is good with numbers and it'd suit her high birth, or try to rush her through some magic lessons in two weeks.

She just needs to be able to cast a cantrip, and do so in public, to get us massive Hightower support for the Conclave.
I would like to remind people that our court contains drow assassins, true dragons, Devils, two-headed snake-man sorcerers and people like Zherys. She would be eaten alive if she tries to manipulate people. Potentially literally.
And drow assassins. Mention them twice, as there's a pair of them and you never know when one will slip away and backstab you.
 
Didn't we meet a spoiled scion of a prominent family that attempted to seduce some of our party?

We threw her back to her family and obscurity right?

Or did she end up as a useful member of the Imperium?
 
Didn't we meet a spoiled scion of a prominent family that attempted to seduce some of our party?

We threw her back to her family and obscurity right?

Or did she end up as a useful member of the Imperium?

If you're talking about Hermetia, we actually went out of our way twice over to protect her. A decision that led to first becoming business partners with her, then befriending her, and then making her a high official in our nascent Empire, and then making her an Imperial Governor.

So... yeah.
 
At this point we might as well. Also @egoo got what he wanted. 2000HD...assuming that the devils we summon are enough, which they probably will be.
only technically...
We've probably already broken 2000 HD off-screen.
Because off-screen doesn't quite count.

But yes, I am very much content.
About a hundred devils (seeing as DP wanted to "reasonably" limit how much we can summon in the background a month), even minor ones, are a fantastic addition to Larder, and a great thing to remove from Planetos altogether.

I'm now holding my fingers crossed for 2700 HD-threshold being reached, if only because "50 Tier-3 Heart Trees in one" sounds even better to me than "40 Tier-3..." that 2160 HD is :V
 
@TotallyNotEvil, what was the last set of effects we agreed on for DA!Tree?

1) Faster learning in DA!Tree's radius (+2 Int rolls equivalent, as per Fox's Cunning), specifically including languages.
2) Planar Adaptation variant on everyone in DA!Tree's radius, making SD a hospitable and comfortable place to be for literally anyone. Like those Selkies for whom local waters are deadly otherwize. Or any of elemental creatures. Etc.
3) ??
4) something about passive fast healing applying to everyone..?
 
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@Duesal , which devils do you want to recruit from our pool of potential sacrifices? There are a few which deserve a shot, particularly:

-The Falxugon that organized the Whiteharbor plot. I mean, it was impressive, and he did even manage to pull some impressive cheese like putting a swarm inside a bag. That's simply awesome, and talks about both intelligence and competence.
-Both Consular Imps. I mean, those are rare as heck for some reason, right?


The rest are already marked for special projects so I won't complain. I want that Imp sorcerer too.
 
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