Will we make public the sacrifice or not? I don't think the majority of Essos has to see the ritual. I say lets have the followers of the Old Gods spread word of a feat of sorcery to properly end the festival and launch the fleet.

For the ritual proper, can we have the treants sacrifice the ala second to the last before we bleed the wight lord? I imagine it would be cathartic for them.
 
Scholarum sorcerer: being able to blow people to bits is a good path to agency. oodles of d6 fire damage, hell yeah!
WIZARDDDDD! :D
No bloodline special powers. Wizard is the most she is getting. If she does get magic then my hope is that she plays a minimal role in the story.
I think wizard/archivist fits her "clever but restricted from using her brain in the past" much more than any other caster class.

Honestly, I'm only so invested for getting her set up in a good place here so that we can use her to get an in with her brother, she does not bother us at court/bother our court (we have a court? what does it do?), and then, you know, never ever think about her again. So, get it 'right' now and then forget about her.

To strong, we can't go that hard against Westerosi ideals in front of someone that isn't great at keeping secrets. Tone it down, focus more on "Due to her position" rather than due to Westeros as a society.
Honestly, at this point, with the Magic, and open Blood Sacrifice, and all the magical beings, I really don't think that being "pro-equality-for-women" is something that we have to hide. It'll mostly be washed over by the whole "killing things and using their blood/life/souls for power" imo, and anyone who is annoyed about this in particular? Well, there are going to be a lot of people annoyed with us anyway, and for reasons that go against their biases in much more terrifying ways (blood magic) than saying to this woman "yep, your mind has been wasted"

I do not mean shout the idea that women-are-people from the rooftops, imo, that is a poor use of our time compared to "putting-clever-minds-in-female-bodies-into-positions-of-power-based-on-merit" directly; just that if we do say "yep, world's wrong" to this person, I don't think it's gonna get any real notice.
 
Will we make public the sacrifice or not? I don't think the majority of Essos has to see the ritual. I say lets have the followers of the Old Gods spread word of a feat of sorcery to properly end the festival and launch the fleet.

For the ritual proper, can we have the treants sacrifice the ala second to the last before we bleed the wight lord? I imagine it would be cathartic for them.
We've pretty much decided that the sacrfice itself will not be broadcasted.

The Dawn Age Tree growing, however, will very much be shown off to the whole wide world.

From a distance, from high up in the skies and from the city-bazed view, as we thankfully have enough mirrors for that.
It'll be very cinematic showing-off, for sure.

Let all be awed, and pantshitted by us growing an older, better, brother to Nordrassil.
 
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Well, there are going to be a lot of people annoyed with us anyway, and for reasons that go against their biases in much more terrifying ways (blood magic) than saying to this woman "yep, your mind has been wasted"
There remains the issue of you basically saying to her face that you thing she is a stupid bimbo. Doesn't matter if she is or not, you still don't tell people that.
 
Reasonable point. I was led to believe she had some degree of intelligence that might be worth making use of, but if I'm mistaken then so be it.
She might be reasonably intelligent, but her formative years warped her mentality. As Elia counseled us, Lynesse is a manipulator, specifically a manipulator of men. She is a ticking time bomb waiting to rain blood and shit down on everyone around her if she is left to do as she pleases in SD.
 
She might be reasonably intelligent, but her formative years warped her mentality. As Elia counseled us, Lynesse is a manipulator, specifically a manipulator of men. She is a ticking time bomb waiting to rain blood and shit down on everyone around her if she is left to do as she pleases in SD.
...this hasn't diminished my desire to put her in bootcamp...

This is Jorah's fiancee right? House Mormont doesn't particularly care about her?
 
She might be reasonably intelligent, but her formative years warped her mentality. As Elia counseled us, Lynesse is a manipulator, specifically a manipulator of men. She is a ticking time bomb waiting to rain blood and shit down on everyone around her if she is left to do as she pleases in SD.
You are aware that anyone in a position of actual power in our state would be pretty much immune to be goaded with a pair of nice titties?

Well, except Oberyn and Salladhor, but those two are also rather prone to switch to other nice titties a day later.
 
...this hasn't diminished my desire to put her in bootcamp...

This is Jorah's fiancee right? House Mormont doesn't particularly care about her?
She's his wife, soon-to-be ex-wife, either through becoming a widow or defacto divorce should Jorah join the Night Watch.

Putting her in boot camp accomplishes nothing while losing us a potential friendly introduction vector to her brother.
 
You are aware that anyone in a position of actual power in our state would be pretty much immune to be goaded with a pair of nice titties?

Well, except Oberyn and Salladhor, but those two are also rather prone to switch to other nice titties a day later.
But what about the awkward level three Wizard with Charisma as a dump stat and the social skills of a house fly? Lynesse could wrap that poor unfortunate neophyte mage around her finger without even trying.

And she could do it multiple times in a place like SD. I don't want mage duels being fought over her, illicit summoning done to kill rivals for her affection, secret deals with Devils to secure more power to impress her, etc. She's an unstable element that would be better off in Oldtown.
 
We wanted to use her as a way to get into Hightowers good graces. I mean we didn't really expect her to be with her husband at the time.
Either the Hightowers knew where she was going when she married Jorah and didn't care, which means the whole set up is worthless, or they didn't knew what she was getting into so going through all that trouble sounds pointless.
 
Just for the record, Elia advises us to keep Lynesse away from our court for her own sake.

I would like to remind people that our court contains drow assassins, true dragons, Devils, two-headed snake-man sorcerers and people like Zherys. She would be eaten alive if she tries to manipulate people. Potentially literally.
 
But what about the awkward level three Wizard with Charisma as a dump stat and the social skills of a house fly? Lynesse could wrap that poor unfortunate neophyte mage around her finger without even trying.

And she could do it multiple times in a place like SD. I don't want mage duels being fought over her, illicit summoning done to kill rivals for her affection, secret deals with Devils to secure more power to impress her, etc. She's an unstable element that would be better off in Oldtown.
She's not that pretty, nor that seductive for that matter. She was exceptional in both regards at Bear Island of all places, but SD has plenty of beautiful ladies, some of them supernaturally so.
 
But what about the awkward level three Wizard with Charisma as a dump stat and the social skills of a house fly? Lynesse could wrap that poor unfortunate neophyte mage around her finger without even trying.

And she could do it multiple times in a place like SD. I don't want mage duels being fought over her, illicit summoning done to kill rivals for her affection, secret deals with Devils to secure more power to impress her, etc. She's an unstable element that would be better off in Oldtown.
Okay. You are being ridiculous here.

Not everyone is Jorah Mormont and decided to use WIS as a dump-stat. You just mentioned two things that everyone in the Scholarium is perfectly aware to be illegal. And I don't mean the "you will be fined" illegal, but the "someone will put a bag over your head while you sleep and the next thing you see is a raven mask, a white tree and a bone knife" illegal.
 
She's not that pretty, nor that seductive for that matter. She was exceptional in both regards at Bear Island of all places, but SD has plenty of beautiful ladies.
I'm pretty sure she's described as extraordinarily beautiful somewhere, which is beside the point. She's attractive enough, but that's not the issue. Her attitude, and her innate need to manipulate men to exert her own power, means she will seek out those who are within her means to influence.
 
Okay. You are being ridiculous here.

Not everyone is Jorah Mormont and decided to use WIS as a dump-stat. You just mentioned two things that everyone in the Scholarium is perfectly aware to be illegal. And I don't mean the "you will be fined" illegal, but the "someone will put a bag over your head while you sleep and the next thing you see is a raven mask, a white tree and a bone knife" illegal.
Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

I'm not so old that I don't remember the incredibly stupid, and sometimes illegal, shit my friends in high school did to impress girls. Actually, that continued right into college then adulthood.

It's a sad fact of life that men who should know better are regularly lead astray by their dicks.
 
Okay. You are being ridiculous here.

Not everyone is Jorah Mormont and decided to use WIS as a dump-stat. You just mentioned two things that everyone in the Scholarium is perfectly aware to be illegal. And I don't mean the "you will be fined" illegal, but the "someone will put a bag over your head while you sleep and the next thing you see is a raven mask, a white tree and a bone knife" illegal.

This does seem to be digging up the old trend with the argument against something starting disapproving but comparatively mild, before escalating with each post into being out-of-proportionately "BAD END".

I'm sure you're more than familiar with this type of rhetoric. :V
 
[X] Meet with Lynesse and speak with her about arranging her safe return to Old Town.
-[X] If she would prefer otherwise, what does she expect to do here in Sorcerer's Deep or the greater Imperium, and how does she intend to support herself without her family's resources?
 
Why do we need Lyssene again? From some comments it feels like her personality makes her be more trouble than it's worth, specially for something so sensitive.
I wanted her because she's a dumpster fire.

If she turns out better than I expected, we get a minion.

If she turns out as I expect, we can try to use her against the Reach somehow. I'm confident some opportunity will come up.
 
Will we make public the sacrifice or not? I don't think the majority of Essos has to see the ritual. I say lets have the followers of the Old Gods spread word of a feat of sorcery to properly end the festival and launch the fleet.

For the ritual proper, can we have the treants sacrifice the ala second to the last before we bleed the wight lord? I imagine it would be cathartic for them.

I think that the ritual should be private, or at least kept to those that have a fair enough understanding of magic. The scale of the killing will raise flags in people's minds when they view it, it will (as i see it) be used as anti-Viserys propaganda fodder (to those that did not see the fiends directly, but only heard about it), and might also incentivise others to do the same, like how Rohar did when he looked at Viserys' success with magic. And a) they might do it to people that do not fall under our criteria for sacrifice b) that will leave less things for us to sacrifice, and c) add competitors to the whole "sacrifice market" (unless that is an infinitely sized, uh, 'consumer group'?)

There remains the issue of you basically saying to her face that you thing she is a stupid bimbo. Doesn't matter if she is or not, you still don't tell people that.

That was totally not my intent.

[Be straightforward with the woman "Lynesse Hightower, you are, from what little I saw, a very clever woman who, because she was born in Westeros, has been prevented from using her mind to the fullest (I can't imagine the frustration).]

I was trying to get across that "You are smart" "You have been denied the opportunity to make use of that" "I am suggesting to you two, I feel, great ways by which you can engage your brain and take control of your future"

So, if my words lead to the impression that I want Viserys to imply "I think you are a stupid bimbo," What words would, you feel, get across the concepts I am trying to relay?

But what about the awkward level three Wizard with Charisma as a dump stat and the social skills of a house fly? Lynesse could wrap that poor unfortunate neophyte mage around her finger without even trying.

And she could do it multiple times in a place like SD. I don't want mage duels being fought over her, illicit summoning done to kill rivals for her affection, secret deals with Devils to secure more power to impress her, etc. She's an unstable element that would be better off in Oldtown.
This is actually something that I'm also mildly concerned about actually. @DragonParadox based on what Viserys' reads on Lynesse, and on the institutional culture of the scholarum (very much more IC knowledge than OOC), does Viserys think that she might be a negative influence on the institution? (edit: not sarcasm, I am actually only mildly concerned on this. it feels weird man)
and her innate need to manipulate men to exert her own power, means she will seek out those who are within her means to influence.
I feel that the habits that served her in the past (due to that being her only option to have some agency) will be replaced by her reality warping over time, and the realisation that she has at least some control over her fate. More than she had by a large margin. (Edit: though some mild diplomancing to help show her that it is unnecessary, might work well/be needed)

(edit edit: i very much disagree with her having an 'innate need', I think it is a learned behaviour over time from when that was the only option she had to have agency. Of course, this will take some time for her to break the habit of).

edit: HELLO PAGE 12K!
 
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Okay. You are being ridiculous here.

Not everyone is Jorah Mormont and decided to use WIS as a dump-stat. You just mentioned two things that everyone in the Scholarium is perfectly aware to be illegal. And I don't mean the "you will be fined" illegal, but the "someone will put a bag over your head while you sleep and the next thing you see is a raven mask, a white tree and a bone knife" illegal.
Though to be fair we do have examples of people doing impulsive things that might come to bite them later regardless of wis stat, see Dany for an extreme example. Sure she had good reasons, but everyone thinks they have good reasons, and I think for @DragonParadox you get to roll a will save for "stupid, harebrained scheme" that you can actually fail?

Not saying she would be all that successful in that regard, or that she would manage to incite that level of stupidity, but apparently the thread wants to make sure she stays alive despite any potential fuck ups on her part?

EDIT: Stupid firefox eating my posts...

From what I'm seeing it's quite simple, she either finds her niche or try again, and if she starts any shenanigans she will find out that our lawmen are quite efficient in their jobs.
 
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Guys, we don't even really need to keep Lynesse around.

All we literally have to do is treat her as an entity with agency, not just a person-shaped key to the Southern Reach shaped lock.

Actually manifest options for her which allow her to live some semblance of the life she would wish to lead. She is not in a position to be picky, hence Elia pointing out she would literally take any option Viserys presented her with before the option of simply being returned home where she will probably be married off again to revisit more of the same stupidity of people (men) having control over her life without her being able to influence the result.
 
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