So, couldn't Valaene use a swift action to Anklets out of the manacles, and proceed to lay down the hurt?
I'm pretty sure you can't Dimension Door out of manacles or restraints in general.


Also: *sigh*

Can we just turn it into a embarrassing off-screen loss for Anya and move on? It's getting clear that nobody likes the idea of Valaena loosing at anything.
 
I'm pretty sure you can't Dimension Door out of manacles or restraints in general.


Also: *sigh*

Can we just turn it into a embarrassing off-screen loss for Anya and move on? It's getting clear that nobody likes the idea of Valaena loosing at anything.

I don't have an issue with Anya winning. I think she could. Hell, we know that Valena was playing magic-only and experimenting. It's just that there are a few mechanical issues.

And at the end of the day, Anya has to know that Valaena yielded instead of going all-in like she would in an actual fight. That's likely to sting.
 
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Except everyone watching with a lick of knowledge is going to see that she was fighting inefficiently. I expect Anya did, and is probably less happy about her victory than she would be. In a to-the-death fight, Valaena would have blown a fireball in her face if she'd had to.
I'm going to assume that, having already won the melee division, Valaena was treating this fight as more of a friendly spar rather than a serious fight against a kill or be killed enemy. That would mean she used much different tactics.

Baelys' fight is the one that actually bothers me. Deep Slumber has Short range. He should have immediately opened up range between him and Aemon, then taken to the air using Lesser Dragon Shape. He could have burned through Aemon's Protection from Fire easily using Elemental Fire Darts while flying well outstanding debt the reach of anything but a Long range spell.
 
I don't have an issue with Anya winning. I think she could. Hell, we know that Valena was playing magic-only and experimenting. It's just that there are a few mechanical issues.
Uhm...
Except everyone watching with a lick of knowledge is going to see that she was fighting inefficiently. I expect Anya did, and is probably less happy about her victory than she would be. In a to-the-death fight, Valaena would have blown a fireball in her face if she'd had to.
... that sounds a mite different.

I'm ultimately not that invested in the issue, but I would rather see Anya loose then have the narrative turned into "Valaena handed her the win".
 
I'm pretty sure you can't Dimension Door out of manacles or restraints in general.


Also: *sigh*

Can we just turn it into a embarrassing off-screen loss for Anya and move on? It's getting clear that nobody likes the idea of Valaena loosing at anything.

I'm fine with the moving on part but no inclined to retcon the fight. I actually did consider both the spells and motivations of both combatants when rolling this and that is what came out. Valaena only lost due to having generally bad rolls while Anya managed to avoid tripping twice and got hit with the chain quite badly.
 
I'm going to assume that, having already won the melee division, Valaena was treating this fight as more of a friendly spar rather than a serious fight against a kill or be killed enemy. That would mean she used much different tactics.

DP told us in the beginning that she was doing so, and using it as means to experiment with different tactics. And let's be fair, Anya fought smart.

Anyway, yeah, move on.
 
I'm pretty sure you can't Dimension Door out of manacles or restraints in general.


Also: *sigh*

Can we just turn it into a embarrassing off-screen loss for Anya and move on? It's getting clear that nobody likes the idea of Valaena loosing at anything.
Anya could have won. I don't have a problem with it. Valaena already won the melee division, she doesn't need more accolades.
 
I'm going to assume that, having already won the melee division, Valaena was treating this fight as more of a friendly spar rather than a serious fight against a kill or be killed enemy. That would mean she used much different tactics.

Baelys' fight is the one that actually bothers me. Deep Slumber has Short range. He should have immediately opened up range between him and Aemon, then taken to the air using Lesser Dragon Shape. He could have burned through Aemon's Protection from Fire easily using Elemental Fire Darts while flying well outstanding debt the reach of anything but a Long range spell.
If Baelys opened with fire spell, as he was likely trained to do in battle, Aemon has one round time to counterattack.

That seems to have been all it took.
 
Think of things this way: Valaena just showed the world she was a badass by winning the other bracket. And now she gets taken down (manacled!) by an Inquisitorial goon.
That's good PR for our Institutions if I've ever seen it.

ITS A WORK! ITS A WORK I TELL YA!

ANYA ONLY GOT OVER CUZ SHE'S AZELS GIRL

PUSH VALAENA FOR SUMMERSLAM

...given the amount of bards and fighters we have lying about + the fact we can televise stuff, when can we create the IWF (Imperial Wrestling Federation)?
 
@DragonParadox, since everything else gets a great sacrifice modifier (Native Outsiders, True Outsiders, Aberrations, Undead, etc...) out of curiosity what's the sacrifice modifier if we give a True Dragon to the Old Gods?
 
From where do you get this?

Rules as written. It's an unarmed attack. Those don't require you to use your hands. See:

Unarmed Attacks
Striking for damage with punches, kicks, and head butts is much like attacking with a melee weapon, except for the following:

Attacks of Opportunity
Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke attacks of opportunity from other foes nor does it provoke an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe.

An unarmed character can't take attacks of opportunity (but see "Armed" Unarmed Attacks, below).

"Armed" Unarmed Attacks
Sometimes a character's or creature's unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature with natural physical weapons all count as being armed.

Note that being armed counts for both offense and defense (the character can make attacks of opportunity)
 
Anyway, moving on...Moonsong; I don't actually want her to win, but I bet it would do interesting things for her as a Fey if she did.
 
I don't really see a problem with Anya winning, sure its an upset and not what people expected but everyone can have a bad day. Also, Valaena did just win the previous melee tournament so fighting inefficiently could be blamed on overconfidence or a lack of rest or mental stress.
 
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