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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
@LonelyWolf999, your opinion on this?

Mind you that the easy PoE access we've established means that mineral wealth will be less valuable in the future. I think overall that the Umberlands will, despite being the largest governorship of Westeros, be among the poorer, as they lack population and good farmland. We can obviously magic something up there, but they will always play catch-up with the south. So nominally large and powerful, but actually mostly wilderness. Much of central Essos will be in the same boat.
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I feel as though with some more people they could make a lot of those lands, is all, and namely, having ample food to survive and grow their population rather than having seasonal cullings which keeps it sparse means that trade will increase, as will exploitation of their lands, probably rapidly if we help out (no reason we shouldn't, the start-up there would take them decades if not half a century if we leave them to it with no more than fertility rituals and a wave).

And it will help us manage and control that growth, too, all in ways that we desire.
 
Azel said:
Mind you that the easy PoE access we've established means that mineral wealth will be less valuable in the future.
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That's just a matter of good marketing.

'Real metals, from the Plane of Balance itself'

Make the provenance matter and they'd be able to make money that way, at least for long enough to get some proper stands of timber going.

And you still haven't told me which title appeals most :|
 
Snowfire said:
That's just a matter of good marketing.

'Real metals, from the Plane of Balance itself'

Make the provenance matter and they'd be able to make money that way, at least for long enough to get some proper stands of timber going.

And you still haven't told me which title appeals most :|
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Sure, just saying that even a massive gold deposit will soon be worth a lot less then it used to.

As for the title, I've made it clear to you that I want a continuation of Vee in Stranger Things. :V
 
Azel said:
Sure, just saying that even a massive gold deposit will soon be worth a lot less then it used to.

As for the title, I've made it clear to you that I want a continuation of Vee in Stranger Things. :V
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STOP CHANGING YOUR MIND! /s

Edit: I swear to Christ if someone brings up Ser Richard in Yi Ti next I am going to lose my mind.

I HAVE TOO MANY IDEAS!
 
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Goldfish said:
Freedom of Movement isn't really a concern any longer. Several of our eligible casters now have the Periapt of the Sullen Sea effect added to their gear, which allows them to convert 4th level spell slots into Freedom of Movement spells, and even more of them will receive it next month. We can easily buff any party with Freedom of Movement now, though it certainly won't hurt for Richard to have it in effect constantly due to the ring.
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You also told me how carefully we had to plan to fit everything we need on the Companions' gear, and how there's only so many slotless items that we can have. I flat out do not believe that Rings of Prestidigitation deserve to be on there considering all the combat-relevant enchantments there are.

It's nice as a fluff effect, but a waste of an item slot.

To be clear, I can grudgingly accept Freedom of Movement not being on everyone, but your argument for them not having it becomes a lot less stable when I see this.
mrsean22 said:
Anyone else think Lord Tarly's defense to Mace was not that good? Storms End falling wouldn't have done much in my opinion. Robert would have no choice but to wait to get it back and he would need the Tully, Stark and Arynn armies to face the Reach army if the Reach army picked to fight them(don't believed Mace would have). Don't believe Robert would face the Reach army alone and the Stormlords would of stayed with Robert even if Storms End fell. Didn't have much choice.
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That was on purpose. Lord Tarly was defending his liege lord out of obligation, not out of a belief that Mace Tyrell was right.

Even Horas who is related to the man didn't move to defend him.
 
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Azel said:
Sure, just saying that even a massive gold deposit will soon be worth a lot less then it used to.

As for the title, I've made it clear to you that I want a continuation of Vee in Stranger Things. :V
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Selecting from the list given really shouldn't be this hard for someone who professes to be Lawful.
 
Duesal said:
You also told me how carefully we had to plan to fit everything we need on the Companions' gear, and how there's only so many slotless items that we can have. I flat out do not believe that Rings of Prestidigitation deserve to be on there considering all the combat-relevant enchantments there are.

It's nice as a fluff effect, but a waste of an item slot.

To be clear, I can grudgingly accept Freedom of Movement not being on everyone, but your argument for them not having it becomes a lot less stable when I see this.

That was on purpose. Lord Tarly was defending his liege lord out of obligation, not out of a belief that Mace Tyrell was right.

Even Horas who is related to the man didn't move to defend him.
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Other effects could go on the ring, you know...
 
Duesal said:
You also told me how carefully we had to plan to fit everything we need on the Companions' gear, and how there's only so many slotless items that we can have. I flat out do not believe that Rings of Prestidigitation deserve to be on there considering all the combat-relevant enchantments there are.

It's nice as a fluff effect, but a waste of an item slot.
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Those rings can be kept tucked away in their Handy Haversacks until needed to clean something,flavor something, etc. No need to wear them continuously.
 
Azel said:
@LonelyWolf999, your opinion on this?
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Dividing the North is actually a fairly complicated matter. Long-term, I think the others are right in that areas like the Winterlands will have a considerable advantage due to advances in magic and technology allowing them to overcome current hurdles to population growth and exploitation of their lands.

Short term, however, we're gonna be butchering the North. The Starks will have their lands reduced to a tenth of their former size, and the region was already the second least populated and wealthy in Westeros.
 
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Crake said:
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STOP CHANGING YOUR MIND! /s

Edit: I swear to Christ if someone brings up Ser Richard in Yi Ti next I am going to lose my mind.

I HAVE TOO MANY IDEAS!
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Uhm... I've been saying that I want Ser Richard in Yi Ti two times already? :???:
Snowfire said:
Selecting from the list given really shouldn't be this hard for someone who professes to be Lawful.
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Yet again, it's not my Lawful that you have trouble with, but my Evil.
 
Azel said:
Yet again, it's not my Lawful that you have trouble with, but my Evil.
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If you're allowing your Evil to overwhelm your Lawful, then you're trending Neutral Evil. Are you quite sure you want to throw in with the nihilists?

Also I'm just going to guess from this rigmarole that you're more interested in other things, so I'll just have to work out which one to do with an rng instead of anything else. Pity.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
Dividing the North is actually a fairly complicated matter. Long-term, I think the others are right in that areas like the Winterlands will have a considerable advantage due to advances in magic and technology allowing them to overcome current hurdles to population growth and exploitation of their lands.

Short term, however, we're gonna be butchering the North. The Starks will have their lands reduced to a tenth of their former size, and the region was already the second least populated and least wealthy in Westeros.
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Which is also my concern, especially as the thread is already far too hesitant when it gets to Ned Stark. I'm going with the harsher split no though, as the others do have a point and I think I will have to fight the Ned Stark battle one way or another, so better do it in full.

Ultimately, he is one of the core traitors and if he calls his banners against us, he will loose a lot of support in the North, so we can easily get away with it.
 
Snowfire said:
If you're allowing your Evil to overwhelm your Lawful, then you're trending Neutral Evil. Are you quite sure you want to throw in with the nihilists?

Also I'm just going to guess from this rigmarole that you're more interested in other things, so I'll just have to work out which one to do with an rng instead of anything else. Pity.
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Fine. Fine. The first one please.
 
Azel said:
Which is also my concern, especially as the thread is already far too hesitant when it gets to Ned Stark. I'm going with the harsher split no though, as the others do have a point and I think I will have to fight the Ned Stark battle one way or another, so better do it in full.

Ultimately, he is one of the core traitors and if he calls his banners against us, he will loose a lot of support in the North, so we can easily get away with it.
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A very small minority is hesitant when it comes to Ned Stark.

The majority don't give a damn about keeping him happy and only care about getting him to fall in line when the time comes.
 
Snowfire said:
If you're allowing your Evil to overwhelm your Lawful, then you're trending Neutral Evil. Are you quite sure you want to throw in with the nihilists?

Also I'm just going to guess from this rigmarole that you're more interested in other things, so I'll just have to work out which one to do with an rng instead of anything else. Pity.
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It's cruel to make us choose! :cry:
 
Snowfire said:
If you're allowing your Evil to overwhelm your Lawful, then you're trending Neutral Evil. Are you quite sure you want to throw in with the nihilists?

Also I'm just going to guess from this rigmarole that you're more interested in other things, so I'll just have to work out which one to do with an rng instead of anything else. Pity.
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A few other thoughts on this:
1. I am in fact a nihilist. Just not an edgy teenage one who would throw in their lot with the whiny shits from Abbaddon.
2. I do in fact want a HT interlude, it's just that I want to torment @Crake even more.
 
Azel said:
Which is also my concern, especially as the thread is already far too hesitant when it gets to Ned Stark. I'm going with the harsher split no though, as the others do have a point and I think I will have to fight the Ned Stark battle one way or another, so better do it in full.

Ultimately, he is one of the core traitors and if he calls his banners against us, he will loose a lot of support in the North, so we can easily get away with it.
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I'm hesitant to butcher the North and not devote any resources to developing it.

If we fully intend on going full-sail on magi-tech-industrialization and even shifting excess population from the South northwards, I'm fully for curtailing them maximally so we don't have any problems down the line while there are still people alive who remember when Starks were their Overlord, muchless when Starks remember ruling enough land to equal the South, and remember going from that to so much less.

For one thing, making Ned's lands fairly wealthy and even somewhat better populated would eat away at that potential for bitterness.

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Y'all are bullies. No bulli. Please? :cry:
 
Crake said:
I'm hesitant to butcher the North and not devote any resources to developing it.

If we fully intend on going full-sail on magi-tech-industrialization and even shifting excess population from the South northwards, I'm fully for curtailing them maximally so we don't have any problems down the line while there are still people alive who remember when Starks were their Overlord, muchless when Starks remember ruling enough land to equal the South, and remember going from that to so much less.

For one thing, making Ned's lands fairly wealthy and even somewhat better populated would eat away at that potential for bitterness.

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Y'all are bullies. No bulli. Please? :cry:
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Wasn't developing all our provinces a given? I thought we were going to do our usual thing of roads, plumbing, etc.
 
Crake said:
I'm hesitant to butcher the North and not devote any resources to developing it.

If we fully intend on going full-sail on magi-tech-industrialization and even shifting excess population from the South northwards, I'm fully for curtailing them maximally so we don't have any problems down the line while there are still people alive who remember when Starks were their Overlord, muchless when Starks remember ruling enough land to equal the South, and remember going from that to so much less.

For one thing, making Ned's lands fairly wealthy and even somewhat better populated would eat away at that potential for bitterness.
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We might not get to it in the first year beyond general financial aid, but let's be clear here. We are developing all of our lands. The North might have to wait it's turn, but they will get their allotment of Titan Tool Time with Tim Taylor all the same.
Crake said:
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Y'all are bullies. No bulli. Please? :cry:
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Talon isn't around as much lately, so I need someone to torment in his absence.
 
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