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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
Roughly, yes. The Starks are currently king-tier rulers, with the Iron Throne basically being an empire-tier title. In the planned division of Westeros, the Starks would be knocked down to ducal tier, with other houses taking ducal titles for the remainder of the North. Probably the Boltons and the Manderlys.
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The North is big enough for at least four ducal tiers, though?

Manderly in the Southeast, Bolton in the Northeast* (though do we really want to foist Roose Bolton on Karstark and Umber? I guess it's alright... Roose wouldn't be disloyal to us if he has to worry about recalcitrant vassals and balancing their delicate egos afterwards).

Starks in the Northwest.

What about the Southwest*? Perhaps Dustins? We could resurrect Barb's beau and call it a day. Undying loyalty right there.
 
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Azel said:
Roughly, yes. The Starks are currently king-tier rulers, with the Iron Throne basically being an empire-tier title. In the planned division of Westeros, the Starks would be knocked down to ducal tier, with other houses taking ducal titles for the remainder of the North. Probably the Boltons and the Manderlys.
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Got it. Well, the Starks won't *like* it. But they can probably accept it... unlike a bunch of other Westrosi. Especially once the threat of the Others and the Long Night is apparent.
 
Crake said:
The North is big enough for at least four ducal tiers, though?

Manderly in the Southeast, Bolton in the Northwest (though do we really want to foist Roose Bolton on Karstark and Umber? I guess it's alright... Roose wouldn't be disloyal to us if he has to worry about recalcitrant vassals and balancing their delicate egos afterwards).

Starks in the Northwest.

What about the Southeast? Perhaps Dustins? We could resurrect Barb's beau and call it a day. Undying loyalty right there.
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I think you mixed up east and west there. Personally, I wouldn't split the North more then 3 ways, though I do want to pull out Bear Isle and Skagos to make the core for the post-Other order for the Wall and beyond. These places would get increasingly poor and irrelevant if we split the North even more.
 
Azel said:
I think you mixed up east and west there. Personally, I wouldn't split the North more then 3 ways, though I do want to pull out Bear Isle and Skagos to make the core for the post-Other order for the Wall and beyond. These places would get increasingly poor and irrelevant if we split the North even more.
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I edited it by the time you replied, yes.
 
Azel said:
I think you mixed up east and west there. Personally, I wouldn't split the North more then 3 ways, though I do want to pull out Bear Isle and Skagos to make the core for the post-Other order for the Wall and beyond. These places would get increasingly poor and irrelevant if we split the North even more.
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Where's that Post-Conquest division map guideline? The one I only glanced at because it pained my CK2/EU sensibilities.
 
[X] Snowfire
Go get 'em, pal.
Dog joke ;V

@Goldfish, you mind digging up the proposal for that... "Creation Forge", so that I may include it into the list?

I mean, I'm not sure if there is one, but I might have missed that, seeing as I certainly don't remember DP giving any answers on how much progress such will take either :/
 
@DragonParadox what's the over/under on being able to convince Sam's father to have him fostered with us, under glamour? Phrasing it in the manner of preparing him for the suddenly much wider world that he will have to be ready for.
 
@DragonParadox Can you add this to the Informational tab? It'll make it a lot easier for me to refer back to it, especially if I happen to be at work on my phone while not feeling much like doing actual work... :p
 
Snowfire said:
*makes a vague motion in the direction of Richard*

Wait, sorry. Which person do we have to sell on this? Sam or his father?
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Roughly both I think, though Sam would love the chance to study and be away from his father's personality.

Could train him to be an archer if he doesn't like frontline combat along with magic in general.
 
egoo said:
[X] Snowfire
Go get 'em, pal.
Dog joke ;V

@Goldfish, you mind digging up the proposal for that... "Creation Forge", so that I may include it into the list?

I mean, I'm not sure if there is one, but I might have missed that, seeing as I certainly don't remember DP giving any answers on how much progress such will take either :/
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There's not really a proposal yet. We just know that it requires 30 progress on a research action and that it relies on Anu, though Lya, Dany, Vee and Naria can help him.

Presumably, it would allow for automation of the Warforged creation process while reducing the individual reagent costs.
 
@Snowfire, @Azel Honestly, the biggest barrier here is, Viserys could say: "Your son seems more than smart, he seems erudite and I adore that. My City is a center of learning, and I myself am a bit of a scholar, and that besides so are many who serve me. He could do well here if you fostered him."

You know what Randyll could have done to Sam rather than say, something more sane (and useful politically, if nothing else)? Send him to the Citadel.

You know what he didn't do in canon, and likely still wouldn't? Send him to the Citadel. He sent him to the Wall, because he holds such interests in contempt. If he has to get rid of a coward of an heir, neither could he do it by making him take up the Chain, because "no son of mine will be a robed bookworm. He's going to freeze his ass off in a place where they will force a sword into his hand, one way or another, and if he runs away from that like he did in Horn Hill's practice yard, they'll fit him for a billet, a rope or a block."

Just say you'll teach him to be brave. It's the only thing compelling to Randy.
 
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