Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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@DragonParadox By the way, Olenna would be Horas' Aunt, not Grandmother.
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Yes, Aunt. Paxter is old.
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Yes, Aunt. Paxter is old.
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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He got a job with decent income, admittedly a criminal one, within one day.
One day.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I'm against creating weapons that are basically Viserys Kryptonite-Lite.
When the time comes, the Erinyes will all be affected by a Magic Army spell with a minimum caster level of 20. All of their bows will effectively be +4 weapons.
That would take their normal ranged attacks from this;
to this;
A Juvenile Red Dragon only has an AC of 24 (last I recall, they only had a Wyrmling?) and a Flame Drake's AC is even lower at just 18. Assuming we don't just burn them all out of the sky with SotD, Searing Firebrand, Dragon's Roar, etc., the Erinyes will make short work of the meager Draconic forces the Golden Company has available.
EDIT: And that's not accounting for additional buffs we would put on them, such as Blessed Aim, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful, etc.
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Huh, really? Not even some distant cousins or branches of the family? It's an extremely large and ancient dynasty, even if the main branch was united in firmly following the Tyrell's lead, you'd think someone in there would get adventurous or ambitious.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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We already have a bunch of those. From when we fought the Erinyes that Thoros told us about.
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Tiamat also has the Older Than Adult Shadow Dragon, and could have a bunch of other dragons we don't know about. I find it very hard to believe f!Aegon won't simply summon those dragons if he panics.
The drakes are annoying, but they're not what I'm worried about.
We have 23 or so, that's not really a lot.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I think the perspective of perceived hardship is totally valid. You are talking about people who are used to commanding entire armies of menial servants, to say nothing of controlling the fate of millions (ostensibly).
And Viserys could rightly posit that he really only escaped a BAD END because of copious cheating with magic. Even that whole "one day" thing was sort of hanging by a thread and one or two whispered spells.
Of course from our perspective we can easily say "so you walked in and got a successful fence's confidence and a roof over your head and opportunity to make lots of money really quickly. Poor you."
Viserys would think "I was constantly dangling on the edge of being discovered and humiliating my House more than it has already been."
His initial position at the Rat was too tenuous to be called a job, that solidified over a longer period of time
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Those are the kinds of Dragons Viserys and the Companions will be dealing with. The Erinyes are awesome, but you don't send a valuable asset against an enemy that could swat them out of the sky as an afterthought. They will be better dealing with the chaff while we handle the big boys and girls.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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And all while worrying about his four year old little sister who was completely defenseless.
Times have changed...
There might be some petty knights who are very distant cousins yes.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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And all while worrying about his four year old little sister who was completely defenseless.
Times have changed...
Somethingsomething Red Priest somethingsomething Power Word Pain.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
And all while worrying about his four year old little sister who was completely defenseless.
Times have changed...
Of course times really have changed, for example I believe we could weather even the knowledge that we used to play strongman and "item finder" for a den of criminals.
One, it would be difficult to believe as to be ironically even more fantastical than our being able to turn into a dragon, a widely known feat.
Two, it would be difficult to swallow. "I'm being beaten by a twice exiled brat who had to rob and cheat with the unwashed scum of the streets to get by?"
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Speaks well of the current lord that it's the extent of the matter. Bealor "Brightsmile," if I recall correctly, married to a Rowan. He's got like nine other siblings, most of them with children, and undoubtedly several uncles with children, cousins, many of which would've married well ... not to mention their vassals, half a dozen of which are large and powerful enough to be independent policies in their own right somewhere else on the continent and've a long history of marrying with the Hightowers.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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IIRC Baelor Hightower is responsible for the formation of the Lantern Bearers of Oldtown, an organization startlingly like the Witch Hunters from WFB.
Hightowers seem to just have a knack for founding paranoiac and oddly competent organizations, don't they?
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You mean the time he bet his life on a single failed save from a murderous gang leader? Yeah, lots of poor people IRL can get quick cash if they're willing to become criminals who take crazy risks. It's just that most people aren't that stupid, and most of those who are get a bad end.
And that wasn't "getting a job", either. He was tested afterwards, and failing these tests would probably not have been great for his income and/or safety.
No, Viserys immediately joined a gang, took some wild risks, and then avoided actual poverty.
But from his PoV things were actually going very badly for him. No-one likes taking those risks, no-one likes having zero life security, and no-one likes being essentially on the street with no actual skills that can get you an income (I'm not counting criminal skills like low-level magic at that point in time - most people don't want to rely on that).
Viserys never went hungry, but he's certainly felt vulnerable and scared - and with reason. That's given him some empathy for people like whores and low-level criminals that most other people in his position don't have.
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Thankfully without the extreme religious bent. Honestly, in practice they're more like the 40K Inquisition.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Re: Murdering someone in cold blood after getting them drunk in a violent and bloody fashion not out of some misplaced sense of vengeance, because of sheer mounting dread that they would reveal your presence in Braavos.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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When you're...how old was it again?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I think thirteen.
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Well one of the "perks" of Viserys' job was the knowledge that any of the people at the Drowned Rat could decide to try killing him to steal all his gold and kidnap Dany for a pleasure house and were one bad day away from deciding to go fuck it and try. So yeah it was paying but not really "secure" imo.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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Ah yes, truly the sort of age that someone should have to be doing things like cold-blooded murder.
Yeah, thirteen and a half to be exact.
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I hope this conversation lasts for more than the next update. I wanna get a chance to talk directly with Sam Tarly, obviously context will be different after next update, but currently I want something of the vague direction below
[] //Body language and a look in Viserys' that is 'invitation to spar/challenge/joyus excitement': "I hear you're smart. Very smart. [Westorsi scholarly work says X], but [analysis of work says it is infact not X, but Y]. Why is analysis wrong?"
[] Half way through, grin (invitingly) and switch positions in argument to his, so that you can debate in the other direction.
[] Use this time to try and get a read on his character.
[] Roll Diplo/bluff/intimidate to give a mildly rebuking (in terms of offense), but withering in its effect when Randyl decides to be a pest (i.e. insult Sam). Alternatively, a gentle rebuke that Randyl won't be offended by, but a very very well read person will see a tremendous insult held within.
Of course this is based on if we think the value of not insulting a mildly powerful (as Muggle lords measure it) lord to make his kid feel better is greater than getting an in with Sam, and, since we can do diplomance sam without being (sneakily) rude to his dad, it mainly is just for the enjoyment of it.
[] //Body language and a look in Viserys' that is 'invitation to spar/challenge/joyus excitement': "I hear you're smart. Very smart. [Westorsi scholarly work says X], but [analysis of work says it is infact not X, but Y]. Why is analysis wrong?"
[] Half way through, grin (invitingly) and switch positions in argument to his, so that you can debate in the other direction.
[] Use this time to try and get a read on his character.
[] Roll Diplo/bluff/intimidate to give a mildly rebuking (in terms of offense), but withering in its effect when Randyl decides to be a pest (i.e. insult Sam). Alternatively, a gentle rebuke that Randyl won't be offended by, but a very very well read person will see a tremendous insult held within.
Of course this is based on if we think the value of not insulting a mildly powerful (as Muggle lords measure it) lord to make his kid feel better is greater than getting an in with Sam, and, since we can do diplomance sam without being (sneakily) rude to his dad, it mainly is just for the enjoyment of it
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