nor should it be, that simple. It seriously cuts down a bit of the narrative tension surrounding a McGuffin like that.
To be fair, he is a God.

The only better way of completely destroying something than his stomach would be, probably, Others and their bullshit.

Narrativium is a very uncompelling argument here for me.
If he straight up can't, because he's not strong enough yet - then fair, something I'll be salty about, but fair.

But making him incapable for plot-reasons is something i'll cry bullshit over.
 
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@Crake, could you add a question about the general concepts of divinity?

- How does prayer work?
- How does Little Coatl draw power from good acts?
- How do prayer, good-deeds and sacrifice power generation compare to each other?
- How do they interact?
- Does the god need a metaphysical property to be able to draw power in a given way?
- When a god is born, comes the consciousness or the divine power first?
- How do they grant spells and does it cost them power to do so?
- How do Ley Lines factor into this?

I'm still mulling over how to make that artificial god
 
To be fair, he is a God.

The only better way of completely destroying something than his stomach would be, probably, Others and their bullshit.

Narrativium is a very uncompelling argument here for me.
If he straight up can't, because he's not strong enough yet - then fair, something I'll be salty about, but fair.

But making him incapable for plot-reasons is something i'll cry bullshit over.

Keep in mind it's also an Artifact. Capital A. Divine bullshit vs. Divine bullshit.
 
Keep in mind it's also an Artifact. Capital A. Divine bullshit vs. Divine bullshit.
Destroying the Orb itself isn't even in question, if I remember that correctly?
:/

Its destroying the entity inside as well, that DP left us clueless about, so now we have to ask first.

Either way, if super-massive sacrifice to boost Yss is what it takes, I'm quite willing to do such.
I don't like mcGuffins.

I don't like than gathering dust even more.
 
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Okay, but I think this question is just a fundamental part of his nature. Conceptual ties with all things Snek.
also to this:
DP said he'd take less sleep as he becomes more powerful.

That's just us getting an IC answer of "how close you are to being efficient trash-compactor", and not just taking wild guesses.
 
After sleeping, the special circumstances make a lot of sense, cover all Time Travel plot holes, and mostly explain why there aren't remnants of Chronomancy all over town.

Kathy is a filthy save scummer.*

Which is to say, Kathy doesn't actually have Major Mojo. She's the entirety of the Trope "Weak but Skilled" and her self description of using magic as a knife is much more literal if we call her a utility knife compared to Dresden's flamberge and Viserys's Hummer.

It's probably more like a shortsword compared to a greatsword compared to a Sedan, but the point is made.

When we think of Chronomancy we generally think of broad effects, time portals, pausing areas, rewinding people, fast forwarding attacks, all that Major Majo pajazz that signifies "Can't Touch This." But what Kathy is able to do is so much "less" than that, if not immensely more versatile.

What Kathy is able to do is literally Bill Murray's "Groundhogs Day."

When pushed to the edge of her power, Kathy is able to send her mind back in time up to a specific limit, possibly as a Death Curse tier spell. Think Steins;Gate for the personal limitation and Re:Zero for "the ability to bring things back from a failure state and likely dying state."

No risk of crossing the streams, no army of Kathys to fight off the invaders.

Just the ability to go back in time to the moment where she's woken up by her parents' murder.

I'm going to assume that "One (1) mind sent back X amount of time" has an immensely low Dark Magic signature that's both anchored to Kathy and very quick to dissipate, because that's basically the only way Dresden wouldn't have noticed the implied semi-regular Dark Magic usage that would have otherwise sank into the locations where Kathy ended up fighting Fomor and Fey.

On that topic, a quick side bar.

Time Travel** is indeed Dark Magic, defined as "Magic that warps the mind of the user and guides them to insanity of one form or another." Too many tragedies have happened to the White Council for it to not need something like The Blackstaff to avert the mental damage of it.

So, assuming one major conflict per season, an average of 20 Resets per major conflict, and no "peace time abuses of power", that's close to 200 instances of Chronomancy that Kathy has done.

That leaves a big question.

How the hell is Kathy so sane looking?

Regular high intensity time travel tends to push people to their breaking points, Dark Magic innately warps the mind, and it's been implied that Kathy has been relying on save scumming to perfect run life and death battles as well as wars for two years.

It's possible that each reset also resets her mental/soul state, but that feels...narratively unsatisfying. It's the "we found the exact one loophole for this to be okay and now we just need to convince everyone of this" route, and it's rarely that easy unless you're introducing a Protagonist or even a Main Character.

Instead, Kathy reads as a war vet who has finally gotten some relief on her hell front, but has a strong sense that what she's needed to do to survive isn't exactly considered "not war crimes" by her country's ethics committee. Now she's got PTSD and needs to figure out how to not get a court marshal and likely execution because the war isn't over yet.

I'm honestly very intrigued about where Snowfire is going to take this case and this arc, and maintain that the shortest solution would be Smoky Bottle followed by research to figure out how to identify if Kathy can actually be set on the road to recovery or if it would be kinder to kill her now.

I'm getting incoherent again and keep making spelling mistakes, so that'll be all for tonight.

So in summary: Kathy is a filtgy save scummer and we have no idea how she is still vaguely sane after two years of regular Dark Magic use. Snowfire has earned sufficient writing credit that this is a cliffhanger to trust in and analyse rather than a big plot hole.

*This is meant as a joke, and for some reason I'm overly concerned about it not being taken as a joke so rather than debate it I'm just being explicit in a post script.
**Defined as swimming against the currents of time. Going to the past is a big no, pushing to the future is a "Warden raises eyebrow", and pausing time is as close to a grey area as one could get imo. You would probably get beheaded.***
***Remember Therapist Psycologist "I Just Want To Help These People" Guy? The vast majority of Wardens would have murdered him and moved on with their lives, and they'd honestly be entirely, uncomfortably, within their right to do so. Generally speaking the risk of a full blown hostile Warlock, let alone a Mental Manipulator who actually has some sense of what they are professionally doing, is enough to go straight to the chopping block, and the only two Law Breakers we see on screen or even in reference who instead get the Doom had White Council Members of Good Standing/Political Influence To Burn thrown in their lot with them. That Harry goes the "this is your only warning" route would be considered exceptionally lenient and entirely in character for Dresden, especially with Epic Social Dragon there to help push him into realising his spiral of warping and break out of it while he still has good intentions.****
****It's like an Inquisitor in 40k stumbling upon a heretic who only turned to Chaos to actually be able to better help the people around him. Chastising the cultist and telling them "don't make me come over here again" would generally be treated as hilariously and tragically naive.

There's a lot in here that's very, very close to right on target, but not quite. I all but passed out last night, which is why no Ch 38, but I'll get it done when I get home today.

A few points, though. This is, in fact, the first time Kathy has talked to Harry and Viserys. She was as surprised by it as they were by her reaction. The reasons for that are unlikely to show up on screen, but I'll be willing to do an OoC explanation for that if people like.

In terms of power comparison, Kathy is more the Thinblade to the Greatsword to the Sedan, to steal the analogy used. Her chronomancy is still more complicated than that.

Immortals exist outside of the regular flow of time, they would be able to sense what she was doing. The Fomor have at least some Immortals in their dugout.

The Black Magic effect on a person due to breaking the Sixth Law is perhaps the most insidious of all, even above mind magic. It was fun coming up with it. Harry knows what it is.

Oh, and on the matter of her sanity? If any of you have read Aeronauts Windlass; Etherealist.

That is all.
 
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Interlude CCCXCIII: Tales Upon a Thousand Paths
Tales Upon a Thousand Paths

Twentieth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Kyla Fairwind's favorite part of Sorcerer's Deep wasn't the tower hidden in its own shadow or the godswoods filled with the magic and mystery of the green growing things. It wasn't even the planar terminus from which strange caravans filled with otherworldly treasures flowed, though that was a close second. Her favorite place in Sorcerer's Deep was the market at its center where one could find traders from all across the world, from the steaming jungles of Naath to the far North where Weirwoods grew wild, from the windswept Iron Isles staring at the vastness of the Western Sea to Yi Ti where the great fleet would be heading out at the festival's end. Never had she seen the market more alive and vibrant as though the city's heart was racing with excitement, a perfect place for curious children and others who might share their guise.

"Come on, there's a big auctioning of magic talismans today, and with so many Volantene and Braavosi ships in port it should be really good," she called behind her.

Arwyn Frey and Marianne Vance had been a little hesitant to go out into the market, especially when they discovered that some of their companions would not be real children at all but Glyra's kin playing the part, but the lure of so many interesting things to buy had drawn them out. They had never even been to anything bigger than a village fair which to Kyla, a daughter of Braavos' crowded waterways, sounded sad. Always cooped up in those big stone piles surrounded by the same faces day in and day out. She would have gone crazy in a fortnight.

Looking back, she noticed Marianne had stopped to look at an Azer smith crafting gold and silver on the spot into wondrous and fanciful shapes, molding the cooling metal sometimes with tools and other times with his fingers like a potter working clay. "Do you want one?" she asked, reaching for her coin pouch.

"Umm..." the older girl's ears turned red. "You don't have to."

"I want to," Kyla said firmly. "What kind?"

So did they wander those paths at once familiar and vastly strange, seeing the workings of a thousand lands and hearing tales from the length and breadth of the world.

Rumors of Westeros:

Thunderous Faith: Septon Dondar of Weeping Town, a man of much spirit known for preaching in the less affluent parts of the town, had been arrested by the local armsmen for spreading what is starting to be called the 'Particularist Heresy' by the clergy in King's Landing, for its emphasis on the personal responsibility of each septon to lead their congregation and for each man or woman to choose their septon. So far Dondar's followers have only been responsible for sporadic attacks on the armsmen of House Whitehead, though many fear it might escalate to rioting if the renegade septon is killed.

The Miracle of Crakehall: Angels descended upon Crakehall to slay the foul spawn of the depths which had taken root unseen among its people, and in their midst stood the Father's own Champion with his band of miracle workers. Yet even such wonder was darkened by the sins of a fallen world. A thief in a maester's grey garb stole tomes of great worth from Lucan's keeping while he conversed with Lord Roland Crakehall, some say even tempting away one of his followers to foul apostasy.

A Gathering of Wargs and Witches: Lord Eddard Stark is the latest high lord to petition the crown for permission to train his own sorcerers. Cunning men and hedge witches from the Mountain Clans and the Neck are said to have already begun to make their way to Winterfell as few doubt the king will not grant the request, even with the current tensions.

Trout's Woes: With more and more hedge knights and warriors flocking to the banner of the brazen brigands in the Riverlands, it is becoming clear Hoster Tully would be hard-pressed to stand against a rising of the Houses still loyal to the Dragons. Many in his court speak of a Lannister bride for Edmure Tully, but the old lord seems hesitant to bind the fates of his House to the West when Tywin Lannister has so little to show for his efforts. It is even rumored that he privately asked a Westerlander envoy: "Where are your dragons?"

Rumors of Essos:

Mirrors and Marvels: The erection of the silvered mirrors looking in on the Grand Festival of Sorcerer's Deep seems to have captured the imagination of half the continent, leading to a surge of support for the Dragon King and his works, even as his foes scramble to discredit the mirrors by any and all means, from tales that they show only what he wants them to and even to claiming that they steal men's souls and make them serve his whims. Thankfully such rumors seem to spark more amusement than weariness among the people of the kingdom, though they might yet find more fertile ground beyond.

Rise of the Three Princes: The Harvest Prince, the Fisher Prince, and the Prince of the Streets have long since been relegated to being little more than props in the games of the council of magisters in Lorath. Yet none thought it needful to repeal ancient laws that held the power of the Princes above that of the council in times of strife. Through a combination of riots led by the Red Faith and a midnight vote by a handful of conspirators in the council, the power has been restored to that ancient triumvirate and whatever factions baked this bold coup.

On Fields of Gold: For centuries the ruined lands of the Rhoynar has been the abode of brigands, exiles, and river pirates, ruled over by petty 'kings' whose rule stretched not two days walk from their crude forts. Now farmers flood the land, breaking new ground to the plow under the Dragon's banner. Volantis is surprisingly quiet on the matter. There is even talk of burgeoning trade between the colonists. Some begin to whisper that there might be some understanding between the Dragon in the Deep and the Sorcerer Lord of Volantis.

Rumors from the Otherworld:

One Thousand Blades of Flame: The Brazen Throne has let loose its corsair fleet on Djinn merchants, hoping to either cripple their war effort or even have the Skyholds lose their taste for war. As a secondary consequence of this, Sorcerer's Deep and the Realm of Balance have become somewhat more attractive to Djinn traders.

Broken Fist: An attempted insurrection of Fire Giants, likely fomented by agents of the Opaline Court, has been thwarted, the leaders executed in ways so gruesome as to draw the admiration of Devils. Even so, knowledge that such a thing went so far has sown a seed of fear in the hearts of the Sultan's enforcers.

Grinding Stone: Invigorated by their new allies, the legions of the Opaline Throne make slow but unrelenting progress on, pushing the Efreeti from fortified strongholds they have held for centuries. The sudden glut of slaves obtained has led to a surge in the manumission of existing trusted servants.

OOC: As you can imagine the Frey girls are still quietly wondering if this is all a dream.
 
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Also, I am sure the more paranoid among us are going to wonder if Hoster's inquiry was meant to signify that Tywin is claiming to have dragons but has them hidden away, or if Hoster was razzing him a bit because we very publicly have dragons in our side of the ring.

It would also explain part of the Maester's Conspiracy's enmity with Tywin, aside from him just being Tywin and thus contemptible right out the gate, and aside from having his own rival magic organization, which undermines their plan to have total and complete control over magic in the long-run (doomed to failure no matter what they do or try), he would also have dragons of his own and of course the Maester's decided to take up the solemn duty to murder all dragons "to ensure a Dance would never happen again".

Because Tywin is angling to have a second Dance, perhaps. Madman. As if we'll fight the war that way. And it is a good thing they make better strategic weapons. The riders can just be assassinated.
 
The Miracle of Crakehall: Angels descended upon Crakehall to slay the foul spawn of the depths which had taken root unseen among its people and in their midst stood the father's own Champion with his band of miracle workers. Yet even such wonder was darkened by thesins of a fallen world. A thief in a maester's grey garb stole tomes of great worth from Lucan's keeping while he conversed with lord Roland Crakehall, some say even tempting away one of his followers to foul apostasy.
...when are we killing him, again?
Pretty please?

I don't care about discrediting faith through him, I want him dead.

Broken Fist: A attempted insurrection of fire giants likely fomented by agents of the Opaline Court has been thwarted, the leaders executed in ways so gruesome as to draw the admiration of devils, though even so knowledge that such a thing went so far has shown a seed of fear in the hearts of the Sultan's enforcers
Real shame.
Kinda a proof we have to start insertion of agents in Brazen City next turn.
Shaitian need some successes on intrigue-front against Efreeti :/

Also, we are feeding the undead-snek next turn.

@Crake, please add asking Yss/Jazirian for a way to precisely divine the location of undead-snek in Molten Sea, so that we don't waste any time on that.
 
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Thunderous Faith: Septon Dondar of Weeping Town, a man of much spirit known for preaching in the less affluent parts of the town had been arrested by the local armsmen for spreading what is starting to be called the 'Particularist Heresy' by the clergy in King's Landing, for its emphasis on the personal responsibility of each septon to lead their congregation and each man or woman to choose to choose their septon. So far Dontar's followers have only been responsible for sporadic attacks on the arms men of House Whitehead though many fear it might escalate to rioting if the renegade septon is killed
Huh. I think it's time for Yrael to see Westeros a bit.
The Miracle of Crakehall: Angels descended upon Crakehall to slay the foul spawn of the depths which had taken root unseen among its people and in their midst stood the father's own Champion with his band of miracle workers. Yet even such wonder was darkened by thesins of a fallen world. A thief in a maester's grey garb stole tomes of great worth from Lucan's keeping while he conversed with lord Roland Crakehall, some say even tempting away one of his followers to foul apostasy.
Oh... this is going to cause something very interesting at the conclave.
A Gathering of Wargs and Witches: Lord Eddard Stark is the latest high lord to petition the crown for permission to train their own sorcerers. Cunning men and hedge witches from the Mountain Clans and the Neck are said to have already begin to make their way to Winterfell as few doubt the king will grant the request even with the current tensions
... let's make him deny it, shall we?
Trout's Woes: With more and more hedge knights and warriors flocking to the banners of the brazen brigands in the Riverlands it is becoming clear Hoster Tully would be hard pressed to stand against a rising of the Houses still loyal to the Dragons. Many in his court speak of a Lannister bride for Edmure Tully but the old lord seems hesitant to bind the fates of his House to the west when Tywin Lannister has so little to show for his efforts. It is even rumored that he privately asked a Westerlander envoy: "Where are your dragons?"
Expect Tywin to do something crass and ham-fisted over this.
Mirrors and Marvels: The erection of the silvered mirrors looking in on the great festival of Sorcerer's Deep seems to have captured the imagination of half the continent leading to a surge of support for the Dragon King and his works, even as his foes scramble to discredit the mirrors by any and all means, from tales that they show only what he wants them to to claiming that they stelamen's souls and make them serve his whims. Thankfully such rumors seem to spark more amusement than weariness among the people of the kingdom, though they might yet find more fertile ground beyond.
You know, they are actually pretty much right on the money.
Rise of the Three Princes: The Harvest Prince, the Fisher Prince, and the Prince of the Streets have long since been relegated to being little more than props in the games of the Council of Magisters in Lorath. Yet none thought it needingful to repeal ancient laws that held the power of the Princes above that of the council in times of strife. Through a combination of riots lead by the Red Faith and a midnight vote by a handful of conspirators in the Council the power has been restored to that ancient triumvirate and whatever factions baked this bold coup.
This smells of Sealord.
On Fields of Gold: For centuries the ruined land of the Rhoynar has been the abode of brigands, exiles and river pirates, ruled over by petty 'kings' whose rule stretched not two days walk from their crude forts. Now former flood the land breaking new land to the plow under the dragon's banner. Volantis is surprisingly quiet on the matter. There is even talk of burgeoning trade between the colonists. Some begin to whisper that there might not be some understating between the Dragon in the Deep and the Sorcerer Lord of Volantis.
[GENDO POSE INTENSIFIES]
One Thousand Blades of Flame: The Brazen Throne has let loose its corsair fleet on Djinn merchants, hoping to either cripple their war efforts or even have the Skyhlds lose their taste for war. As a secondary consequence of this Sorcerer's Deep and the Realm of balance have become somewhat more attractive to Djinn traders.
Good thing they get their own Terminus next month. Nothing unites like a shared enemy.

I'm tempted to send our fighters on a few deployments there.
 
That's another thing. ACTUAL AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER CRAFT.

Presumably with weapon systems that could knock around a dragon in the air, at the very least. Presumably both outranging, out maneuvering and outspeeding them.

TYWIN. YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS DANCE OF DRAGONS 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO.

IT'S ACTUALLY ACE COMBAT: FIRES OF LIBERATION.

Because we're here to liberate all your stuff from you!
 
Can you post the stats for the Fightercraft again, @Azel? And the cost for the final round of enchanting to complete them?
 
That's another thing. ACTUAL AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER CRAFT.

Presumably with weapon systems that could knock around a dragon in the air, at the very least. Presumably both outranging, out maneuvering and outspeeding them.

TYWIN. YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS DANCE OF DRAGONS 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO.

IT'S ACTUALLY ACE COMBAT: FIRES OF LIBERATION.

Because we're here to liberate all your stuff from you!
That reminds of the scene in Gate where Griffin riders are torn to pieces by AA tanks and the scene where two dragons are grounded by F4 Phantoms then blown up by artillery.
 
had also been more cause for terror that pride
than - this one is old.
the lenght and breadth
length

I don't know which one is right.
the sins
Now former flood the land breaking new land to the plow under the dragon's banner.
former what? - breaking new ground
Some begin to whisper that there might not be some understating between the Dragon in the Deep and the Sorcerer Lord of Volantis.
might there note be some? understanding

An attempted
[period]
went so far has shown a seed of fear
sown a seed? or is it displaying their fear through their actions? if the latter, ignore me.
The sudden glut of slaves obtained has lead to a surge in the manumission of existing trusted servants.
Kinda dark that it's just that easy.

As always, love rumour posts.
 
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