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Oh, then Benjcicot would start at that. I was literally thinking 'around Bronn's level' when I answered.
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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@LonelyWolf999 another way to model Benjicott could be that at his peak he was pushing 8-9, but that lack of practice, depression etc made it so that he was functionally at level 4-5 at the start of The Lads but was able to level faster/retrain into a proper PC class instead of Warrior, due to the rust wearing off as it were.
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So what's happening with Sandor right now is that he's on a Rep Building Quest.
The moment he landed on the Stepstones, if he requested an audience with us then he'd probably get one. He's just way too politically relevant as a (potentially former) Kingsguard, too personally relevant as the brother of the Mountain, too metaly relevant, and too likely to be a PC to not talk with him.
Instead he's joined the Melee as both a proving ground for himself to get that sweet sweet XP, and if this was a Video Game the further he got through the Melee the more Rep, Respect, and Fame he'd gain with basically all Imperium Factions and any other factions that aren't innately Imperium Hostile. Winning the entire Large Melee would provide a capstone of Rep gain and an achievement of "Baddest Dude on the Block" sorts.
While he could talk to Viserys at any time throughout this, the longer he waits and the more rep he builds the more Viserys will personally respect him in comparison to his role as a McGuffin and Plot Mover.
Up to four levels of Fighter is generally sense making, outside of fluff related things. It gets you a Bonus Feat every level except 3rd, which is when you would get a normal Feat anyway. If we're building up to 12, something like Fighter 4/Chevalier 6/Warlord 2 would probably fit thematically, representing his original raw combatant state with some amount of leadership experience, building into becoming a Leader of Men (and retraining what was probably originally a Fighter 7 or Fighter 6/Chevalier 1 build into a Martial Class that has Social Skills), followed by starting his first steps on the path to Big Dick Martial Fighting.
I don't actually know Chevalier or Warlord class features, so someone else will have to help out with the actual making of the build.
The moment he landed on the Stepstones, if he requested an audience with us then he'd probably get one. He's just way too politically relevant as a (potentially former) Kingsguard, too personally relevant as the brother of the Mountain, too metaly relevant, and too likely to be a PC to not talk with him.
Instead he's joined the Melee as both a proving ground for himself to get that sweet sweet XP, and if this was a Video Game the further he got through the Melee the more Rep, Respect, and Fame he'd gain with basically all Imperium Factions and any other factions that aren't innately Imperium Hostile. Winning the entire Large Melee would provide a capstone of Rep gain and an achievement of "Baddest Dude on the Block" sorts.
While he could talk to Viserys at any time throughout this, the longer he waits and the more rep he builds the more Viserys will personally respect him in comparison to his role as a McGuffin and Plot Mover.
Up to four levels of Fighter is generally sense making, outside of fluff related things. It gets you a Bonus Feat every level except 3rd, which is when you would get a normal Feat anyway. If we're building up to 12, something like Fighter 4/Chevalier 6/Warlord 2 would probably fit thematically, representing his original raw combatant state with some amount of leadership experience, building into becoming a Leader of Men (and retraining what was probably originally a Fighter 7 or Fighter 6/Chevalier 1 build into a Martial Class that has Social Skills), followed by starting his first steps on the path to Big Dick Martial Fighting.
I don't actually know Chevalier or Warlord class features, so someone else will have to help out with the actual making of the build.
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Sandor only made Kingsguard in like 299 AC or so, I believe. Here he is not even a Knight, owns no lands, and I think hadn't even been brought to King's Landing yet to serve as Joffrey's sworn shield (which I believe was a relatively recent development by Game of Thrones 298 AC.
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I'd just thought of that as the negative maluses he had to work off instead of him literally losing levels. He was still wandering around fighting for a living as a hedge knight, he was just seriously depressed and elderly. It's a testament to his skill that he actually pulled that off for so long.
This is all Latin to me.
Crake
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He'd get the following from Cavalier:
So a good cut-off point. It gains him a Bonus Feat.
Fighter 4 is relatively straight forward, like you said.
Warlord.
Nothing too special there yet. He might want to retrain those Fighter levels, seeing as how he's not going to need all those Combat Feats for a leadership build. 3 more in Warlord for Fighter 1/Chevalier 6/Warlord 5 would be pretty good.
And ultimately Chevalier 6/Warlord 6 even better.
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Crake
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If you want, I can put something together for you tonight.
Good night guys,see you tomorrow with the melee and maybe the archery contest too.
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I would really appreciate that, thank you.
And if I'd just half-assed some 'and then this level 12 guy showed up who's Viserys biggest fan' I'd agree with you, but with the degree of effort I've put into The Lads and how long it's been going, I think this is acceptable.
Look, if Bronn was level 8-9 then it's completely fair for Ser Benjicot to be level seven to start off, and for him to have leveled up several times with the repeated classical adventuring he's and his fellows have been doing for months.
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And his opponent would be people like "Ser Just of House Jouster, vearing the Lance and Horse as device".
You go old man!
The absolute madman entered the Large bracket.
Love it.
She better not lose this easy!
Nah, she needs to build some steam and get overconfident, and then a no-name around Bronn's level with mundane, but throughly developed skills beats her.
Sounds reasonable.
If you say he's been hadinb hardcore adventures, he's been having hardcore adventures.
I can help you if you want. Talon's idea of starting from a Human Paragon/Fighter mix sounds great.
Nah, see Bronn, also, LonelyWolf literally wrote the character. He can say he has been adventuring like a motherfucker.
Remember, he was a very experienced veteran at the time magic first started showing up. Then he created a rebel force from scratch just as magic was surging.
This is really triffle.
I'm very much against doing things like an Alpha+ human psyker who's sane and alive since the DAoT.
We had a bunch of old guys who were 6~8.
Rhaella did very well, but she was also limited in many ways.
Guys, can we please hold off having people suddenly becoming Warlords before we get some seriously hardcore Yi Ti dudes around to help?
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That would make him a level 9 Initiator, which is still pretty unbelievable.
Level 5 manouvers are not level 5 spells in versatility, but in raw effect-strenght when combined with a 12 BAB, lots-of-feats build they are damn scary.
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Well, Warlords with Golden Lion, Scarlet Throne and Primal Fury or similar disciplines are not that bad.
Veiled Moon, Riven Hourglass or Shattered Mirror would break my SOD, these don't.
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He starts off as level 6 or 7 Fighty Man, gets bit by the Viserys Targaryian Hype Bug, starts turning himself from just a Fighty Man into a Fighty Man Who Leads, and then has slowly started the journey into becoming his own Sir Richard.
I'm liking him as currently in the process of retraining the Fighter levels into Warlord levels, going from Fighter 7/Chevalier 1 into Fighter 6/Chevalier 3, F5/C5, F5/C6, and then lucking out on his Warlord level up and being able to automatically retrain the dead Fighter 5 level into F4/C6/W2. From here his retraining and level ups will depend on if he spends time focused on leveling up or on RAW mechanics retraining.
Going Vanguard Commander or Bannerman feels thematic all told.
I'm imagining his current build as Fighter 4/Chevalier 6/Warlord 2, so just starting to touch the Wuxia Magic that Sir Richard has made his own.
Crake
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As far as stances and maneuvers go, want to help me pick them?
A gentleman's agreement not pick straight up anime derivative schools seems fair for the Warlord chassis, overall it's the access to some maneuvers (not the broken ones) and the fluff I want.
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Sure, tag or PM.
But I won't be up too long today anymore, so I might answer tomorrow.
Crake
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Poor God-Emperor of Mankind... nobody wants you around!
I now know why he was on the down-low during pre-age of strife... EMPEROR OP HAXOR PLS NERF!
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Human Paragon 3/Fighter 4 is an excellent start to his career.
Could simply slap the necessary Cavalier/Marshal levels over that.
Could simply slap the necessary Cavalier/Marshal levels over that.
Crake
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I guess he could also just retrain into Warlord later on once you feel we have enough Martial lore for it, but I really sincerely do not care about anime secret techniques passed down through the Armstrong line for GENERATIONS.
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I don't know if you are joking, but AFAIK, that's an NPC an omake introduced in Embers in the Dusk.
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Yeah, that's the idea.
Same with the Praetorians, only start on getting those levels after Yi Ti rolls around, if going with the Warlord build.
Crake
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Why not just restrict some schools?
Edit: The Praetorians were pulling from some schools we didn't have access to though, so yeah, we'd want to wait for those.
Crake
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Wasn't really aware of that, you just said something something "Alpha+ Psyker who is sane and wandering around in Dark Age of Technology" and that is literally the Emperor verbatim.
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I think nothing in the Praetorian build is particularly far-eastern.
It's a natural advancement of styles we know.
A great Water Dancer can reach the Scarlet Throne, a knight may learn to inspire as the Golden Lion, and a raging Minotaur tempered by skill and discipline would find the Primal Fury.
We don't need outside help for these disciplines, we just have to develop martial arts alongside our magical arts to be fitting for this new age of monsters and heroes.
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Could work, let me see those @Artemis1992 suggested, but even then I'd very much prefer to keep it on the down-low. Low level maneuvers are plenty powerful and far more reasonable.
Ser Richard only got his first maneuvers at level 11.
What about Paragon 3/Fighter 4/Cavalier 3/Warlord 2?
Still, Warlord looks like a very involved class. Why not Warblade?