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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I am partial to Einherjar myself. Latin can go to hell. Norse all the way.
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It's priced as an At Will item, though admittedly that's not very much, at just 180 IM. What about a potential usage 3/Day for a total duration of up of to 10 rounds, but it can be activated as a Swift rather than a Standard Action and ended as a Free Action?
As for alternatives to the Praetorians or Kingsguard, @Duesal, @LonelyWolf999, @TotallyNotEvil, @Azel, @egoo, @ryuan, @Everyone, what about the Kingsmen?
Or the Emperer's Own?
Dragon Knights?
Imperial Guard?
The Pillars, as in Pillars of the Realm?
Defenders?
Drakes?
The Forgeborn?
Actually, I kinda like Forgeborn.
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Why? I really don't get the sure depth of the hatred against them. The disgrace that's Robert's Kingsguard and the fanatical loyalty shown by Aerys' can only explain so much.
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A bit of a false equivalency there. The Kingsguard were explicitly formed to guard the king and the royal family, so the connotation carries over.
Dragonguard, Imperial Guard, Royal Guard, etc. Anything, including Praetorian, is fine by me.
The Kingsguard before Robert's stood guard while Aerys raped Rhaella over the course of years. That's why I'll never be in support of naming this new guard by the same name.
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Love it only for the movie reference.
Love this because it sounds badass.
This reminds me of Warhammer so yes all my yes.
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I think the problem with that is we're upgrading to Emperor soon, so anything not an explicit reference to the KG doesn't make much sense.
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I'd like to point out that the scene Jaime got a full view to was the culmination of Aerys' spiral after he torched the Starks, that wasn't going on for years.
I'm also confused as to what exactly your point is. Do you want our fanatically loyal supersoldiers to not, y'know, be fanatically loyal?
egoo
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...Forgeborn sounds awesome.
It insinuates that being involved with anything related to our fleshforge is a great honor too - which is a great bit of PR, neatly going along our future attempts to make sure that people willingly give up their dead there.
It insinuates that being involved with anything related to our fleshforge is a great honor too - which is a great bit of PR, neatly going along our future attempts to make sure that people willingly give up their dead there.
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Like it.
Too much of a mouthful. Never really got the appeal.
Obvious, right? But people hate it.
Nah.
I dig it a lot.
Meh.
Ok.
Nah. They sound like another race entirely, and not really like a military organization.
"I don't need guards, I'm super strong!" Is how we kill Big Bads. We don't usually need guards, but never understimate having them.
And we ultimately need people. Who do you think guards the doors to our chambers when we sleep? Guards the armories, lockers, storerooms and gates of our palace?
"I don't need guards" is adventurer logic, not ruler logic.
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That doesn't exactly make it better for me.
My point is that Viserys should have a grudge against the institution (not to mention the surviving members) for what happened to Rhaella. The soldiers we make can be fanatically loyal without a borrowed name.
And while they're at it, they can be given orders not to tolerate shit like what Aerys pulled. Viserys asked Ser Richard to kill him if he ever went that far and lost himself to insanity like Aerys did. I'd say that despite saying yes to that, Ser Richard is still fanatically loyal.
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Yeah sure and we can try to explain that to Viserys, who saw that scene happen much like Jaime did. I wouldn't be surprised if Viserys himself said fuck the Kingsguard after what happened to mother dearest.
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That's not very logical of you, tbh. I find the arguments stretchy, with no real IC foundation as far as I remember.
Hell, if anything, it's a Kingsguard who stopped Aerys in the crucial moment,
But hey, as long as it's not faux Latin, I'm mostly game.
Royal Guard is generic, but good. Pillars sounds awesome, and something I could absolutely imagine little kids dreaming of becoming.
@Goldfish do you not prefer a Crusader build over Warden?
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I mean, I guess? Why don't we just ask Rhaella if we want to completely abandon the KG instead of having Viserys make the call for her. It'd also make a nice segue into whether we should flip Barristan or not.
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I'm game for Pillars, I guess.
With Warforged being up and about due to Anu, there is going to be a bit of mix-up with Forgeborn anyway.
Drakes sounds nice too, but kinda awkward considering we might just introduce actual drakes to our Empire in the future.
With Warforged being up and about due to Anu, there is going to be a bit of mix-up with Forgeborn anyway.
Drakes sounds nice too, but kinda awkward considering we might just introduce actual drakes to our Empire in the future.
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Pillars is cool. Plus it is just a bunch of muscly dudes "protecting" the king so I am game. So would each person be called a Pillarman?
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Goldfish
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I honestly don't have a preference. I've never put a ton of thought into melee builds, and that goes doubly for Martial Initiator stuff. They both look like effective combatants, though the Crusader seems a bit tankier or more able to sustain combat for longer periods of time, while the Warlord seems more geared toward short bursts of overwhelming violence.
Why can't we have both? Two training paths, though with the same basic abilities and gear.
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Yup, here's a great build:
1 - Power Attack
H - Protection Devotion
F - Constant Guardian
F - Dutiful Guardian
3 - Law Devotion
6 - Stone Power
Slap this on a Crusader, or perhaps Paladin 4/Crusader 2 or Pally 2/Crusader 4, for pure awesome.
Here's a build that can actually take hits for you. @Snowfire you proposed something like this for furies, didn't you?
There @Duesal , a highly effective low-level bodyguard.
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So in other news I was watching X-com videos (because I won't code today) and saw the Assasin and thought hmm I want that as a creature to make.
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Honestly, the PF Initiators are like "everyone is a Pouncing Shocktrooper, kay?" levels of damage.
And the idea is for Ser Richard to train these guys. Ser Richard could conceivably train Crusaders... but not really PF Initiators.
They feel like OC SIs at that point
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What should the general level to be able to directly guard the king and their family if say level 8 but bars are low what with the world essentially being a backwater right now.so level 6s?
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Sure, we haven't covered this yet, but given what we know it's really not a stretch to assume Viserys is angry about the Kingsguard not protecting Rhaella. I'd say the only reason we didn't see that was because the anger was dwarfed by the rage and shock at discovering the monster Aerys turned into. But props to Jaime for stepping up. Better late than never.
Now that said:
Royal Guard or Pillars would be great. I'm game for either.
I'm already in support of any other name. My reasons might not make sense to you, but they're still my reasons. As for Barristan, I'd be fine with recruiting him so long as we get to rip into him beforehand for switching over to Robert. I'm fairly sure we can shame him into coming back to the Targaryens.
That was the reason I didn't like the build for the Erinyes. They were supposed to be weapons, not glorified shields. It looks great when stacked on mooks, though.
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That's pretty good tho.
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Forgeborn does have a nice ring to it.