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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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One Autumn Leaf said:
@Goldfish A mechanics question. Can we cast 9th level spells using Wild Arcana? I am assuming no but our Caster level is 19 and maybe it takes that into account?
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Nope. Our caster level is boosted by the Draconic Power feat and our Spell-Singer's Ring, raising it from 17th to 19th. Once we level up one more time, however, 9th level spells will be fair game.

@Duesal, Updated plan with some flaws removed.

[X] Plan Surprise Dark Sister To The Face Mk II
-[X] Viserys uses Baleful Polymorph to Turtle the children then asks Vee to carry them in a sack for the time being. Then he rests using the magic bedroll to recover expended spells while Vee and Dany stand guard.
-[X] Once the time comes, everyone will cast the full array of available warding spells before Dany travels Varys' chambers, while Vee and Viserys follow using Superior Invisibility.
--[X] Dany uses her Greater Ribbon of Disguise to take the place of the child expected to report to Varys and its Magic Aura ability to hide the magical auras of the enchanted gear she is wearing and spells she is affected by.
--[X] She will be affected by Air of Nobility and Grand Destiny spells cast by Viserys, plus her own Divine Insight, which she will use to sell the ruse.
-[X] Viserys casts Ancestral awakening to learn Merciful Spell, then uses Greater Arcane Sight and Arcane Spellsurge immediately before the meeting is to take place. He activates his Earring's True Seeing ability before Teleporting.
-[X] Dany enters Varys chambers and telepathically tells Viserys where to appear. She activates her Earring's True Seeing ability before entering the chamber.
-[X] On this signal, Viserys uses Arcane Spellsurge to cast Greater Teleport as a Swift Action to appear directly next to Varys. He then casts Antimagic field as a Standard Action with Wild Arcana, before using the Spellbattle feature of Dark Sister to beat Varys unconscious. Viserys then carefully divests him of every bit of clothing and jewelry he may be wearing. As soon as he drops the Antimagic Field, Viserys uses Arcane Spellsurge to place Varys in a Smoky Confinement bottle.
--[X] Dany and Vee act to subdue any witnesses before they can raise an alarm.
--[X] If Varys somehow avoids Viserys' arrival and is not able to be encompassed within the Antimagic Field, Dany targets him with a Chains of Light spell, or if he attempts to cast a spell, she uses Divine Defiance to Counterspell with Greater Dispel Magic.
 
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Duesal said:
@Goldfish, for extra paranoia, can you have Dany put on mundane disguises as well to fool Varys just in case he's got an item of True Sight?
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That would require her to remove pretty much 75% of her equipment. I really doubt Varys uses True Seeing whenever he meets with his child spies. There's paranoia and then there's just wasting a prepared spell better used in the event of an incident. He could have an item with constant True Seeing, but that would cost more than a Mind Blank item. He could have something like our Earrings of Arcane Acuity, which provide True Seeing up to 1/Day for one minute, but wasting that here wouldn't be any different than wasting a prepared 5th level spell slot.
 
Goldfish said:
That would require her to remove pretty much 75% of her equipment. I really doubt Varys uses True Seeing whenever he meets with his child spies. There's paranoia and then there's just wasting a prepared spell better used in the event of an incident. He could have an item with constant True Seeing, but that would cost more than a Mind Blank item. He could have something like our Earrings of Arcane Acuity, which provide True Seeing up to 1/Day for one minute, but wasting that here wouldn't be any different than wasting a prepared 5th level spell slot.
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Dispel magic is a third level spell.

It's not likely to break her disguise bit it is a concern.

Also, we hired Erinyes, he could as well.
 
I'm guessing dp has banned 12th level spells. How dare they not let us take the mantle of god of magic and fuck up whatever this universes equivalent of the weave is I demand 12th level spells.
 
Goldfish said:
In the time he took to cast Dispel Magic, Viserys could Teleport in, cast AMF, then beat him unconscious.
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I genuinely do not understand how that action economy would play out?

I... I do trust you though.

Just to play it out...

He uses a readied action to cast dispel magic on her.

Assuming Danny's disguise fails...

They move to initiative.

Danny wins because she cast sign presumably. Then she tells Viserys his location as a free action. We use our readied action, show up, and then roll in with sign. Presumably we still beat him in intiative, and then take our turn dumpstering him.

O.k. your right, unless I messed something up we've got him.

He does get a reaction speed action however. Maybe have Danny ready her own celerity/dispel in case he tries something at reaction speed?

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(That's the trick the devil caster used to beat AMF+teleport)
 
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zxzx24 said:
I genuinely do not understand how that action economy would play out?

I... I do trust you though.

Just to play it out...

He uses a readied action to cast dispel magic on her.

Assuming Danny's disguise fails...

They move to initiative.

Danny wins because she cast sign presumably. Then she tells Viserys his location as a free action. We use our readied action, show up, and then roll in with sign. Presumably we still beat him in intiative, and then take our turn dumpstering him.

O.k. your right, unless I messed something up we've got him.

He does get a reaction speed action however. Maybe have Danny ready her own celerity/dispel in case he tries something at reaction speed?

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(That's the trick the devil caster used to beat AMF+teleport)
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We can use Celerity, yeah. But we could also cast Arcane Fusion (or Greater Arcane Fusion) through Wild Arcana, if we really want to go crazy with the action economy.
 
Aaand for extra paranoia benifitting a diabolist Master of Whispers, Varys has an Augery performed every time he meets with his Little Birds.

Surprise missing eunuch :V???
 
zxzx24 said:
I genuinely do not understand how that action economy would play out?

I... I do trust you though.

Just to play it out...

He uses a readied action to cast dispel magic on her.

Assuming Danny's disguise fails...

They move to initiative.

Danny wins because she cast sign presumably. Then she tells Viserys his location as a free action. We use our readied action, show up, and then roll in with sign. Presumably we still beat him in intiative, and then take our turn dumpstering him.

O.k. your right, unless I messed something up we've got him.

He does get a reaction speed action however. Maybe have Danny ready her own celerity/dispel in case he tries something at reaction speed?

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(That's the trick the devil caster used to beat AMF+teleport)
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Dany also has her full array of spells available, so even if Varys pulls something, he won't just be free casting. She can use Divine Defiance to Counterspell anything he casts as an Immediate Action, target him with Chains of Light, trip him with Barbed Chains, etc.
 
Actually I just had an interesting thought. @Goldfish am I correct in assuming that if we perform a divination on an action that we would take it would be interfered with by our Mindblank item?
 
Crake said:
You are mistaken in some respects, correct in others. Most people on the extreme end of low-empathy range from "they are just servants, who live to die at my pleasure" to "they're just peasants, they die every year. Just don't rile them up much and make sure they got grain and it's no big deal otherwise if some peasant/foreign kids die".

But in Westeros the parts that don't get as heavy coverage in the books is the romanticism that hangs heavy over a lot of nobles, the "noble ideal" tied to chivalry and justice which stems from piety. It would horrify a lot of Lords. Not all, but some would definitely view how bankrupt the King's council is and start turning their heads for someone who isn't a complete monster to serve who could simultaneously guarantee the lives and livelihoods of their family and children.

That's the intersection of nobility where realpolitik regularly meets, you can find decent people and you can find monsters, but both will halt in their tracks until they can find a way to guarantee the safety of those they actually care about. The evil people in Westeros prosper because all the good ones are forced to weigh survival over ideals, and ideals come to the fore only in that one moment when someone tries to force you to be the opposite.
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Thanks for the feedback! So if I'm understanding your point correctly, you're stating that being confronted with Vary's actions would bring to light or at least force a lot of Nobles to actually look at how Kings Landing is being run and all the corruption/ malicious entities that are in control there. Due to this realization they'll starting looking for an alternative source of rule thereby giving us further leverage due to being a better moral choice, not even going into our legitimacy, ruling practices, or other success.
 
Goldfish said:
Thankfully, our Mind Blank items don't interfere with our own Divinations.
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Ok since that's the case we could probably assume that Varys's own Mind Blank item doesn't interfere with his own divinations. If he does use a divination before meeting with his birds as @Takesis suggested, do you think he'd see either
a.) The timeline play out in normal as it would if we weren't there
b.) a disturbing lack of info seeing as everyone in that meeting would be Mind Blanked?

Sorry if these questions are bothering you, but I'm somewhat confused on how Mind Blank actual interacts with Divining events. I get that if someone tried to divine Viserys it'd just hit a wall and go no further, but how do our actions influence events that are divined? Are we just not accounted for in the divination or does the entire event not show up?
 
Dracikral said:
Thanks for the feedback! So if I'm understanding your point correctly, you're stating that being confronted with Vary's actions would bring to light or at least force a lot of Nobles to actually look at how Kings Landing is being run and all the corruption/ malicious entities that are in control there. Due to this realization they'll starting looking for an alternative source of rule thereby giving us further leverage due to being a better moral choice, not even going into our legitimacy, ruling practices, or other success.
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Basically this. Right now Westeros has their head buried in the sand for a lot of reasons. Robert is out and out an Usurper. He took the throne even though he had no legal claim. Moreover, the luster of the "glorious conqueror who slew the dragons" wore off really quickly as much as in peace preludes to war, because he objectively does not serve their needs in the "peace". Fey and spirits run rampant. Magic is kept close as pets and curiosities in defiance of traditional conservative Westerosi moral code.

People right now want to ignore the bad stuff, but if they are forced to realize they are serving not only someone without any legitimacy, but someone who allows such evil to fester around them (are they complicit??) they will search for someone with more legitimacy, hoping that their problems will be solved, or at the very least they won't have to confront the idea that their own moral fiber is in fact flexible.

That's the majority, at any rate. People like Stannis or Lord Tarly would look something like that on the face of things and decide on the spot what their course of action was, from their own innate gut instincts and code of ethics.

We can expect some people ready to turn that instant, and some who will need further blandishments and assurances. But no one will be looking to King's Landing for guidance.
 
Dracikral said:
Ok since that's the case we could probably assume that Varys's own Mind Blank item doesn't interfere with his own divinations. If he does use a divination before meeting with his birds as @Takesis suggested, do you think he'd see either
a.) The timeline play out in normal as it would if we weren't there
b.) a disturbing lack of info seeing as everyone in that meeting would be Mind Blanked?

Sorry if these questions are bothering you, but I'm somewhat confused on how Mind Blank actual interacts with Divining events. I get that if someone tried to divine Viserys it'd just hit a wall and go no further, but how do our actions influence events that are divined? Are we just not accounted for in the divination or does the entire event not show up?
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It should be option B. He would see nothing, AFAIK, but that would also prevent him from getting any hint that the ambush is coming.
 
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