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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Azel

@Azel maybe add returning to Naathi village with goods news and heads of beasts, also proclaiming the party the heroes? Would help make them feel secure and know there are good mages out there.
 
Crake said:
This would be more compelling if Viserys not recognizing the gribblies was a central facet of the last updates.

As it stands Viserys' strengths, knowledge of magic and also of monsters or otherworldly horrors, allowed him to locate the nest and pointedly decide to take a backseat to the action, all in a lazy afternoon.

Doesn't scream 'random bout of incompetence' to me.
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This particular instance was mostly okay, yes. We still should have passed the DC by four or so, but a -5 or so on a roll of 1 is something I can deal with. My point was about how the rule in general leads to silly outcomes and incompetence from really skilled people, and I don't feel like that is a good thing for a heroic fantasy game.

Also, think about the reverse of this rule, a nat20 always succeeds. It means that, for example, salmon can swim up waterfalls in a couple of minutes. That might be cool in a game with a different tone, but not in DnD.

I despise critical fumble tables for a similar reason.

[X] Azel

This is why we should get gloves of object reading for the Inquisition!
 
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spiritualatheist said:
This particular instance was mostly okay, yes. We still should have passed the DC by four or so, but a -5 or so on a roll of 1 is something I can deal with. My point was about how the rule in general leads to silly outcomes and incompetence from really skilled people, and I don't feel like that is a good thing for a heroic fantasy game.

Also, think about the reverse of this rule, a nat20 always succeeds. It means that, for example, salmon can swim up waterfalls in a couple of minutes. That might be cool in a game with a different tone, but not in DnD.

I despise critical fumble tables for a similar reason.
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You makea good point. No more crits for skills.

Good night guys see you tomorrow with interludes from the various expeditions as well as the outcome here in Naath.
 
Create Treasure Map also has a decent chance of finding out where they came from, these things aren't all that smart and Carrot & Stick training means we should be able to track the carrot, if they're being bred in a controlled manner even better.

The map reveals the locations of what the creature deemed most valuable within its area. Depending on the creature, the map might reveal a source of tasty food, suitable mates, or even your own treasure vault.

Discern Next of Kin has similar benefits if there's a controlled breeding operation.

While I was researching literal blood magic for this I came across Blood Tentacles again, @Goldfish did we end up getting a PoSK for Viserys? As previously noted the dueling capabilities are insane.
 
Deliste said:
While I was researching literal blood magic for this I came across Blood Tentacles again, @Goldfish did we end up getting a PoSK for Viserys? As previously noted the dueling capabilities are insane.
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How so?

Standard or Full Round to use the tentacles, damage is low, BAB + CON/CHA to hit on a normal attack.

You generally have better things to do with standard and full round actions than deal 2d6 and healing the same, when you can cast 5th level spells.
 
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Imperial Guard, made of Legion Tourney Victors (turn into regular event to weed out PCs/level 7s+) initially (re)trained by Richard, afterwards recruits are (re)trained by Captains. Possible to recruit outside of Legion, likely to get Erinyes, especially once we get a few hundred or a few thousand Erinyes. End size aimed to be a Legion, purpose is to be Elite Legion amongst Elite Legions, Kingsguard replacement, prestigious position to drive Martials towards, recruitment ground for moderately leveled Martial PCs, source of Richard Apprentices.

Brienne of Tarth, Chosen of the Warrior, possible mini-Richard candidate?

spiritualatheist said:
This is why we should get gloves of object reading for the Inquisition!
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Mothertrucking item of Wings of Cover for Lya. Did we ever get her one?

TotallyNotEvil said:
How so?

Standard or Full Round to use the tentacles, damage is low, BAB + CON/CHA to hit on a normal attack.

You generally have better things to do with standard and full round actions than deal 2d6 and healing the same, when you can cast 5th level spells.
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I believe that's 19 attacks at minimum, for a potential 38d6 per standard action. The fact that it can add up to 38d6 Temp HP per turn means that in a one on one environment, the sustain granted by this is potentially absolutely disgusting.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
How so?

Standard or Full Round to use the tentacles, damage is low, BAB + CON/CHA to hit on a normal attack.

You generally have better things to do with standard and full round actions than deal 2d6 and healing the same, when you can cast 5th level spells.
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If we had Viserys learn it by retraining something on his next level up, it would have a caster level of 20 when used.

It creates one tentacle per caster level. Viserys could use all twenty of them as a Standard Action against a single target within 15 feet, potentially inflicting 40d6 damage while giving himself an equal number of Temp HP.

That's pretty damned nice, IMO, especially considering that the tentacles don't allow a saving throw or Spell Resistance. If you hit with them, you're golden, and since it uses BAB + Charisma bonus, chances are most of them would it.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
Imperial Guard, made of Legion Tourney Victors (turn into regular event to weed out PCs/level 7s+) initially (re)trained by Richard, afterwards recruits are (re)trained by Captains. Possible to recruit outside of Legion, likely to get Erinyes, especially once we get a few hundred or a few thousand Erinyes. End size aimed to be a Legion, purpose is to be Elite Legion amongst Elite Legions, Kingsguard replacement, prestigious position to drive Martials towards, recruitment ground for moderately leveled Martial PCs, source of Richard Apprentices.

Brienne of Tarth, Chosen of the Warrior, possible mini-Richard candidate?
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We already need 7 knights for the Sept Guard and everyone else should go towards the Order of the Knights Griffon.

Making a prestigious extra-Legion should come at the earliest when we have 10+ regular ones.
 
Goldfish said:
If we had Viserys learn it by retraining something on his next level up, it would have a caster level of 20 when used.

It creates one tentacle per caster level. Viserys could use all twenty of them as a Standard Action against a single target within 15 feet, potentially inflicting 40d6 damage while giving himself an equal number of Temp HP.

That's pretty damned nice, IMO, especially considering that the tentacles don't allow a saving throw or Spell Resistance. If you hit with them, you're golden, and since it uses BAB + Charisma bonus, chances are most of them would it.
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the image is kinda gruesome, though :/

A dragon from whose chest burst 20 tentacles that thoroughly fuck up whatever he's in close combat with?
That's some DS/Bloodborne-level shit.


For additional pants-shitting points, have that be an aerial fight, with Viserys utilising Perfect maneuverability to its fullest
 
egoo said:
the image is kinda gruesome, though :/

A dragon from whose chest burst 20 tentacles that thoroughly fuck up whatever he's in close combat with?
That's some DS/Bloodborne-level shit.


For additional pants-shitting points, have that be an aerial fight, with Viserys utilising Perfect maneuverability to its fullest
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Pretty much, this isn't a bread and butter spell but when we do need to pull it out it, it's probably going to be one of the most terrifying things in the quest both thematically and mechanically.

Viserys has the most interesting boot knife.
 
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