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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Goldfish

tarrangar said:
Formally Dany is our heir, in practice I'm 80% sure she would immediately abdicate in favor of our mother, because Dany really don't want to be a ruler from what we have seen.

But yeah Jon isn't very far up in the lines of succession, nor do I think he has much of a wish to be, though of course I'm less certain with him than with Dany, as we see far less of him.
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I'm pretty sure she wouldn't even abdicate, just let someone, Rhaella or just Gerold and Alinor, take up a stewardship while she goes to bring us back.

Duesal said:
@zxzx24, for Yrael's titles:

Lord of Mantarys, The Bright Lord, Angel of Vengeance
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Bright Lord, Vengance?
THat's straight up from Celebrimbor from the Shadow of Mordor games.
Weird comparison for someone supposed to be good.
Because I'm pretty sure Celly has gone pretty far into Evil.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
To clarify my position.

Wallis the Cheese Eater the Person is enraged at child murder and at harm to children in general. It's like someone took a look at murder and asked "How could I make this worse?" The only reason I'm not in a constant rage is that having a stroke wouldn't help anyone.

Walliseatscheese the Player is sufficiently detached that the concept of using a Liquid Pain Extractor on Sacrifice Fodder is tempting until it reaches the point of reducing the quality of Sacrifices. The Player is willing to hear out circumstances of attempted child murder to at least form a profile on the affiliated individuals so that further intel can be gained.

While it is agreed that in Westeros, child murder is generally seen as abominable, the Slavery Using "Free" Cities hold sufficiently different values that moral appeals are likely wasted.
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Hyperbolic, if there's any truth to that statement, fact of the matter is it would also only apply to a very small portion of the population: Magisters.

Everyone else lives in endemic suffering upon which only ritual and violence keeps the wheel of inertia spinning forward. Inertia we have irrevocably disrupted.

I suppose it doesn't help that the vast majority of people we interact with are of the upper-class and elite. When we get someone like Maelor on screen you might notice casual mentions of violence or roguish bending of the rules, but there's also always an under-current of disgust for the world placed before them.

People want better. That's natural. One has to assume the bones of Valyria were cursed in such a way as to let the slave trade grow out of all sense of proportion in a way that just doesn't seem feasible in reality. I would not be surprised, the Pyromancers were manipulated by diabolic machinations even in a time where magic should have still been in torpor, and connection with the Outer Planes cut off.
 
[X] Goldfish

Will there be any sort of "company tradition" or something regarding the legions? Like, will they get slight buffs if their legion (and not necessarily the current members themselves) had previously taken part in legendary battles or many battles? I mean, shouldn't a knight trained and raised by the Golden Company for example, get a slight boost (compared to a knight of the same level that wasn't trained or raised by the GC) simply because of the warrior culture and history of the mercenary company that has accumulated after decades of warring?
 
Crake said:
Hyperbolic, if there's any truth to that statement, fact of the matter is it would also only apply to a very small portion of the population: Magisters.

Everyone else lives in endemic suffering upon which only ritual and violence keeps the wheel of inertia spinning forward. Inertia we have irrevocably disrupted.

I suppose it doesn't help that the vast majority of people we interact with are of the upper-class and elite. When we get someone like Maelor on screen you might notice casual mentions of violence or roguish bending of the rules, but there's also always an under-current of disgust for the world placed before them.

People want better. That's natural. One has to assume the bones of Valyria were cursed in such a way as to let the slave trade grow out of all sense of proportion in a way that just doesn't seem feasible in reality. I would not be surprised, the Pyromancers were manipulated by diabolic machinations even in a time where magic should have still been in torpor, and connection with the Outer Planes cut off.
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Thinking about it, I think my point is that those in power caused an inertia where "Child murder to save the new Conquerer from the brush" was seen as a valid decision to prove your loyalty, with case examples of Tywin at the Sack of Kingslanding (Mr. I'm So Ruthless They Wrote A Song About It), the Tyorish Arch's House Guard (My Drunk Party God Also Does Cannibalism), and the Lys Minor Nobility Houses (Part Of The System Itself While Lacking The Resources To Fact Check).

We've made specific moves in all of our conquests to spell out the fact that reprisals of any kind will not be tolerated so it's been limited, but there's still a desensitization to the suffering of others and of children due to the circumstances the people were involved in.

"Moral appeals are likely wasted" was definitely a hyperbolic statement, but when you have live torture demonstrations on the streets to sell your product I can definitely see your diabolic machinations angle.

So in conclusion, you're right fam but the inertia is still going to be relevant for a while yet, even though it hopefully/probably won't be baby eating evil tier amongst the productive civilian population.

Therefore we really should write out that propaganda political manifesto with an entire chapter of it titled "For the sake of all that is decent, stop trying to kill children in my name or else I will kill you."
 
Prince Sheo said:
[X] Goldfish

Will there be any sort of "company tradition" or something regarding the legions? Like, will they get slight buffs if their legion (and not necessarily the current members themselves) had previously taken part in legendary battles or many battles? I mean, shouldn't a knight trained and raised by the Golden Company for example, get a slight boost (compared to a knight of the same level that wasn't trained or raised by the GC) simply because of the warrior culture and history of the mercenary company that has accumulated after decades of warring?
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I'd argue that a Westerosi Knight was also trained and raised in a history and culture of warriors.

I'm imagining Legion Specific ACFs or Prestige Classes, but I doubt those will become relevant for quite some time if only because it takes time to accumulate that sort of Legend and we generally designed our Legions to be as cookie cutter as possible because so they would always be able to work in harmony with each other.

Maybe specializations focused on Legion Elite Units with supplementary Legion Wide Supportive Thematic Magic Items, but otherwise it'll likely be represented mechanically by recruits from existing military outfits requiring less time to retrain due to having more relevant HD than the average recruit.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
Seek the Mantis People and you shall find your peace.
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No dice. We kind of sacrificed their god.
Artemis1992 said:
Bright Lord, Vengance?
THat's straight up from Celebrimbor from the Shadow of Mordor games.
Weird comparison for someone supposed to be good.
Because I'm pretty sure Celly has gone pretty far into Evil.
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They're literally what Yrael has been called. Any allusions to violence are against fiends. If the titles sound evil somehow it's purely coincidence.
 
@Goldfish, I know you're an early riser, so if you chance to wake up before DP closes the vote, would you mind adding this?

[] As a side note, Azema's exemplary service in Lys during which she endured Aedon for months deserves to be rewarded.
-[] She gets 5,000 IM as liquid cash to be spent as she pleases (though Viserys should encourage her to invest wisely)
-[] She gets her own manor in Sorcerer's Deep
-[] She gets a magic item commissioned for her (of a reasonable price)
-[] She gets a nice long break, during which we suggest she could become a patron of the arts and sponsor artists of various sorts (painters, architects, playwrights, writers, etc) from all over the Imperium to come plant roots in Sorcerer's Deep.

That should be good for her reward. She can take a nice long break and poke at us when she's ready to go into the field again.
 
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Walliseatscheese said:
Per their original setting the Gods are Dead, so it wouldn't be impossible to find Thri Keen that wouldn't take offense to that.

The real issue would be stumbling upon the Dark Sun setting or a similarly hostile desert environment.
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I honestly had no idea which mantis people you were talking about until now.

Also looks like thri kreen practice nature worship, when they can be asked to worship something anyway.

Score one for the old God's!
 
zxzx24 said:
I honestly had no idea which mantis people you were talking about until now.

Also looks like thri kreen practice nature worship, when they can be asked to worship something anyway.

Score one for the old God's!
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Unfortunately, they'll likely be moulded to fit with the setting.

Psionics = aberration in ASWAH, so they're not going to mesh well with the Old Gods.

That, and we've already got an example of what the mantises in this setting will turn out as.
DragonParadox said:
Yes, though 'rule' may be a bit of an exaggeration. Hierarchy lay very lightly on the dragonlords after a certain level.
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I've got to hand it to them for a neat title.

Anyway, we've seen them imprison one of their own and using him to dispose of slaves/enemies, and we've seen them turn younger/weaker/unluckier dragons into dracoliches as punishments. The only thing is the Valyrians were rightfully paranoid and destroyed all the more powerful dracolich phylacteries, using Amrelath's as a power source since they were confident they could take him.

@DragonParadox, are there more Red Dracoliches to be found around Valyria, or was Amrelath the only one they kept?
Artemis1992 said:
Also unlimited royal credit tap at the Golden Hearth?;)
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She's effectively got unlimited drinks. Drinks are not expensive, and the sum we're giving her is the equivalent of 5 fully furnished keeps. Not to mention whatever else she's got squirreled away for herself.
 
Artemis1992 said:
That's propably very secret even among Valyrian nobility.
I guess we'll have to look.

Also it seems likely that at least a few voluntary Dragonliches had their Phylacteries hidden well enough that the Valyrians didn't find all in the wake of their victory.
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Maybe if a Wyrm or Great Wyrm was running out of time to chase true immortality. I could see them resorting to it out of desperation. Point being the Red Dragon Empire definitely made a bunch more dracoliches, it's now a question of whether or not any more phylacteries survived and where they would be.
DragonParadox said:
Ser Gerold and Yrael's sheets have both been added. Thanks @Crake @zxzx24 :)
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@DragonParadox, for Yrael's charactersheet, his equipment list was mostly a wish list of what we want to buy/make for him.

Do you have time to give us the list of the equipment he's already got so we can try to plan for him?
 
Duesal said:
@Goldfish, I know you're an early riser, so if you chance to wake up before DP closes the vote, would you mind adding this?

[] As a side note, Azema's exemplary service in Lys during which she endured Aedon for months deserves to be rewarded.
-[] She gets 5,000 IM as liquid cash to be spent as she pleases (though Viserys should encourage her to invest wisely)
-[] She gets her own manor in Sorcerer's Deep
-[] She gets a magic item commissioned for her (of a reasonable price)

That should be good for her reward. She can take a nice long break and poke at us when she's ready to go into the field again.
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Speaking of Azema, I was thinking to reward her with some down-time.

She was thinking to become a patron of the arts and we could do with a staff of artists for the imperial palace, the university and to spruce up stuff like the Legion HQ and other government buildings.

How about setting her on hiring good artists and architects from all over the Imperium, Braavos and Westeros to establish an artist community in SD?
 
Azel said:
Speaking of Azema, I was thinking to reward her with some down-time.

She was thinking to become a patron of the arts and we could do with a staff of artists for the imperial palace, the university and to spruce up stuff like the Legion HQ and other government buildings.

How about setting her on hiring good artists and architects from all over the Imperium, Braavos and Westeros to establish an artist community in SD?
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That would be great. She could also try to team up with Selyse and Alinor and attract playwrights and poets and whatnot. I recall both of them having a similar interest.
 
zxzx24 said:
I honestly had no idea which mantis people you were talking about until now.

Also looks like thri kreen practice nature worship, when they can be asked to worship something anyway.

Score one for the old God's!
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There are other Mantis People that have ever been relevant? Maybe a type of fey?

I know there was that one cursed item, but that reads more as a specific cursed demon thing than a recruitable people, though the mental influences do somewhat suggest the potential for Psionics.

Duesal said:
Unfortunately, they'll likely be moulded to fit with the setting.

Psionics = aberration in ASWAH, so they're not going to mesh well with the Old Gods.

That, and we've already got an example of what the mantises in this setting will turn out as.
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There's a nonzero chance that a chaotically inclined but otherwise stable species exist in some sort of Deathworld somewhere! The dream can still live!

Or we can look into forcably reincarnating Aberrations until we hit our lucky numbers! The possibilities are as endless as Gibbering Mouthers!
 
Walliseatscheese said:
I know there was that one cursed item, but that reads more as a specific cursed demon thing than a recruitable people, though the mental influences do somewhat suggest the potential for Psionics.
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The connotations are undeniable.

It was a relic of an Aberration Mantis God, like the Belt of the Serpent God was Yss' relic.

Psionics in this setting are aberrations, and the Thri Keen are psionic.
Walliseatscheese said:
There's a nonzero chance that a chaotically inclined but otherwise stable species exist in some sort of Deathworld somewhere! The dream can still live!
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Perhaps, I'm just not holding my breath over it.
Walliseatscheese said:
Or we can look into forcably reincarnating Aberrations until we hit our lucky numbers! The possibilities are as endless as Gibbering Mouthers!
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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