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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Azel

We've looted treasures, buildings, people, and even gods, but I think this is the first time we've looted an organization.

I'm getting tingles~
 
DragonParadox said:
Because you would be revealing to the maesters that you have reason to be their enemy. They might step up their game, whatever that is.
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Then we just go kill them all.

The only reason they're still alive is because they're that low on our priorities list, if they jump up they die.

I mean I've said it before, but while the whole of Westeros was bumming around playing "Game of Thrones" we were out here playing "Dark Souls 4 Hardcore Edition" with the multi-planar expansion pack.

We could torch the place to the ground and be back in time for Sunday brunch.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
Then we just go kill them all.

The only reason they're still alive is because they're that low on our priorities list, if they jump up they die.

I mean I've said it before, but while the whole of Westeros was bumming around playing "Game of Thrones" we were out here playing "Dark Souls 4 Hardcore Edition" with the multi-planar expansion pack.

We could torch the place to the ground and be back in time for Sunday brunch.
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We can arguably do that, but it would be hard to rule the ashes afterwards.

The whole idea was to be feared AND loved, basically. The key to doing that was making people believe the times we burnt enemies to ashes was "necessary, if harsh".

It's hard to do that if we outright look like we provoked them into it.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
Then we just go kill them all.

The only reason they're still alive is because they're that low on our priorities list, if they jump up they die.

I mean I've said it before, but while the whole of Westeros was bumming around playing "Game of Thrones" we were out here playing "Dark Souls 4 Hardcore Edition" with the multi-planar expansion pack.

We could torch the place to the ground and be back in time for Sunday brunch.
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Personally, I prefer the nerve gas idea, so we can leave the infrastructure intact. I've been looking forward to looking their Tower for a very long time.
 
The issue with Westeros has never been our inability to conquer it. It has always been the fact that we'd stretch ourselves too thin and leave ourselves vulnerable to any of our more competent foes.

Before we deal with the maesters, we have to decide what our goal is and then work our way backwards.

Are we looting the citadel? Taking over the Lantern Bearers? Each one needs a different strategy and different levels of investment regarding time and/or resources.
 
DragonParadox said:
He is involved enough to know the rough outline of otherworldly threats so he does not get blindsided by something that would cause a panic. However he is careful not to know too much in case the Lantern Bearers have to do something less than honorable... or legal.
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I guess that's a disadvantage of not making the rules yourself.
Our Inquisition can have tight oversight, because we personally determine how much authority to go outside other laws they have.

spiritualatheist said:
Personally, I prefer the nerve gas idea, so we can leave the infrastructure intact. I've been looking forward to looking their Tower for a very long time.
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Just to repeat that "The Citadel" is basically a large quarter of Oldtown, inhabited by hundreds or more of non-maesters.

This is the Citadel:
Folko Streese the Citadel.png
We could gas or nuke the Ravenry, that is the oldest part of it and lies on a slightly seperate island.
Isle of Ravens

[X] Azel
 
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The Maesters in their current form have too much power.

At minimum, the most peaceable possible resolution is we treat with the leadership and demand they dismantle it in its current form. The biggest liabilities will never hold influence or power on par with what they have now ever again. Everyone mostly keeps their lives and livelihoods.

That's it. Period. They have already demonstrated too much insidiousness to allow anything else, they would undermine our realm. And we would need things like Mark of Justice on the biggest instigators to ensure obeisance.

More likely, we will have to kill the leadership and dismantle the whole thing to the point where we have cannibalized it for parts and replaced it with other institutions of learning. The councils each Lord's lands will get will fill in for most of the "men of learning" roles with varied experts and knowledge bases/jurisdictions. We will likely obsolete Ravenry completely with Braziers.
 
Crake said:
At minimum, the most peaceable possible resolution is we treat with the leadership and demand they dismantle it in its current form. The biggest liabilities will never hold influence or power on par with what they have now ever again. Everyone mostly keeps their lives and livelihoods.
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That would be ideal since they are one of greatest places of learning in known world.

Just need to make it so they are a totally neutral place of learning and not a organization that works for power and influence.
 
When you think about it, it's funny how thoroughly we have already laid the groundwork to render the Maesters completely obsolete.

We have created the Lesser False Raven Constructs which are superior in every way to the trained ravens used by the Maesters.

We have established a growing network of Whispering Braziers which facilitate instantaneous communication across the planet. We are even creating upgraded versions that allow us to communicate across planar boundaries.

And our public school system, though still in its infancy, will serve as a much more effective and accessible from of education.

We are also building a library that makes the lore gathered by the Maesters look anemic in comparison.

There is literally not a single reason to keep the institution around once we take over Westeros.
 
Hence why a peaceful solution is just not going to be possible like as not. The most influential Maesters, and the deciders of their "foreign policy" so to speak are going to not accept losing all their influence and power. They have to destroy us or we will destroy them just by existing in general proximity with them. We wouldn't necessarily need to even dismantle them to do so, but that is why they will undermine us. So we have to destroy them first.
 
Crake said:
Hence why a peaceful solution is just not going to be possible like as not. The most influential Maesters, and the deciders of their "foreign policy" so to speak are going to not accept losing all their influence and power. They have to destroy us or we will destroy them just by existing in general proximity with them. We wouldn't necessarily need to even dismantle them to do so, but that is why they will undermine us. So we have to destroy them first.
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:confused:... Maybe it's time to summon some assassin devil's.
 
Duesal said:
Freaking maesters.

@DragonParadox, can we get numbers for the Lantern Bearers so I can update their entry in my Institutions with Mages post?
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There are about 80 full Lantern Bearers, not counting apprentices.

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 27, 2018 at 2:06 PM, finished with 290 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Offer him the following:
    -[X] A one day stay in SD, so that he can see for himself the realities of our rule instead of the propaganda spewed by the Maesters.
    -[X] A copy of everything non-sensitive we got on Aberrations, Devils and other gribblies.
    -[X] A 5,000 IM budget to buy arms, armor and PfEs in SD.
    -[X] In return, he keeps our involvement quiet and doesn't share the events with the Maesters or those loyal to them.
    -[X] If he agrees, take him along when dumping the Maester at the Wall so that he sees our relation to them.
    -[X] Also introduce him to Blights Bane and Breathtaker.
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Goldfish said:
When you think about it, it's funny how thoroughly we have already laid the groundwork to render the Maesters completely obsolete.

We have created the Lesser False Raven Constructs which are superior in every way to the trained ravens used by the Maesters.

We have established a growing network of Whispering Braziers which facilitate instantaneous communication across the planet. We are even creating upgraded versions that allow us to communicate across planar boundaries.

And our public school system, though still in its infancy, will serve as a much more effective and accessible from of education.

We are also building a library that makes the lore gathered by the Maesters look anemic in comparison.

There is literally not a single reason to keep the institution around once we take over Westeros.
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:whistle:
DragonParadox said:
"Magic has many ways of delivering messages, for instance, now that she has seen you in the flesh my sister can send short messages upon the wind, five and twenty words to you and the same back. Would you be amenable to one such message every fortnight?"

"Can she now?" the lord asks, eyes bright with interest. "Careful now, or you may have rendered maesters obsolete along with salt cod..."
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