tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Yeah but that's a problem in feudalism as well, behold Aedon of Lys, firstborn son of the Archon of Lys, who will ascend to Archon upon the Archon's death.Viserys has never encountered a true democracy, but if he did his main objection would not be inefficiency so much as decision-making by people without the expertise to make the decisions, government by popularity contest when popularity does not guarantee competence . His IC argument against democracy would start with something like "Behold Aedon of Lys, much loved by many of his fellow citizens"
For all Viserys believe in Feudalism, he also believe in meritocracy, and that you should qualify by merit, to be granted authority, it's just that if you are first in line feudally, then you should get the post as long as you qualify by having sufficient merit, even if someone else have a little more.
He certainly don't believe that Aerys should have been allowed to be king, nor that Rhaegar should have been allowed, he just believe that he should have been given a chance, as he was off royal blood, and hadn't disqualified himself by lack of merit.
And that could be done just as easy with a democracy, by having a series of test that you must pass, in order to qualify to be a candidate who can be voted for.
Immortal we aren't, unaging however we are, and resurrection is a thing, so while we acknowledge we might suffer permadeath, we don't treat it as a certainty, but as a somewhat unlikely worst case scenario.Only idiots and madmen believe themselves immortal.
I sincerely hope that you all prove to be neither and if you are that any stupidity or madness does not spread to Viserys
It's not that we believe we can't die permanently, it's that we believe we wont die permanently, we believe it's a possibility, but we also believe that as long as we don't get careless we can avoid it.True but the unwavering belief in such a thing in a world like theirs and the belief that they cannot die (or at least stay dead) is the mark of, as i stated before, idiocy or madness.
So far the thread seems to be a bit to confident that the main PC cannot die permanently which is not only stupid but also practically a challenge to the GM.... At least that has been my experience in D&D. When you reach the point of believing that you cannot die permanently the GM will need to do something to dissuade the players of that notion as it makes it hard to take things seriously.
Then there's the fact we have played Viserys for so long, and anything that permakilled Viserys would probably take the rest of the party with us, so if that happened I at least expect the quest to more or less end.
That's true, but the flipside of that is, no method of killing is perfect or irreversible, anything that can be done can in theory be undone, some things might need the power of multiple gods to reverse, but it can be reversed.
We trust that for most forms of true death, we have methods available that makes them not so true, or can get access to them with time, sure it's likely to involve a long time playing as a companion to find the a way to undo it, but it's not going to be hopeless, because very few things in D&D is hopeless.
We send things to something like true death often, but we have no illusions that what we do is irreversible, we are just quite sure that reversing it, would take far more effort, than those we send to true deaths superiors think are worth, our main method of true death is Yss, if Yss Avatar was sacrificed to another much mightier god, they could probably pierce the souls of those Yss has eaten back together again, so while we count it as true death, it's only true death, because the effort it would take to reverse it, is exponentially more than the value of the dead.We seem to send things to true death quite often. Not as hard as it seems in this setting.
Of course things like death by Yss, is something our companions are far from being able to reverse, which don't make it irreversible, it just mean that they would probably need to reach at least Mythic rank 10 before being able to do it.
We can and are preparing for it, by gathering up all the Valyrian stuff we can, as the only way I see to get rid of it, if it is indeed in us, is by sacrificing Valyrian stuff to a non-Valyrian god such as Yss, in return for him removing the 15ths taint from Valyrian people.Good catches!
Also yeah. Thats something everyone has mostly been ignoring, because we can't do anything about it.
Except ask for help.
It's not like those are necessarily irreversible, they are just far beyond our power to reverse.You are right with these scenarios and are proving my point there.
Except the Soul Trap thing, since retrieving that would be far from impossible.
So we got:
- get killed by an Other Champion
- get captured and killed by the Sultan of Brass
- get eaten by Yss
Which is illustrating that it needs divine level power to kill Viserys these days.