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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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tarrangar said:
I don't think this is really a belief of Viserys, he don't believe democracy is a particularly good government, but he don't have strong opinions against it, mainly because the only real democracy he has encountered is the Tritons, and yes he find that annoying, but that's not because he believe it sucks, it's because it makes things harder for him.

Viserys would have to actually encounter more democracies, before he decided his opinion on them one way or another, but I don't think he dislike the idea, so much as he isn't that fond of it, it's not like he's against the idea of councils ruling by the members voting, and that's a very limited form of democracy, mainly he just think that he makes one of the best rulers possible, which mean there's no reason for him to consider other forms of government.
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He has been frustrated with both the Tritons and the people in He'Nekar.
It's a common point that he thinks any form of goverment with too many people in the ruling body is inefficient and takes too much discussion to get things done.
 
Azel said:
That would be rather hilarious. Maybe co-author it with Maelor?


As for the manifesto, it would enshrine the core principles of the Imperium, the how and why of it's policies and why it is the best thing ever that solves everything forever by being too awesome.
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Unfortunately, the Manifesto should probably be directly from Viserys, with him just laying out his philosophy and methods in governance, and the ideals and goals of the Imperium at large.

That doesn't mean we can't write the Corlys book - I've actually put a bit of thought into it. I think it should be written under an alias, and some people would suspect it's about us, but it'd never be clear enough to say for sure. The Manifesto would be about what the Emperor wants the world to be like, and the Prince would be about what a bastard knows the world is like.
 
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Look, Viserys thinks that feudalism is a perfect system as long as lords do their job and aren't blinded by superstition/prejudice/incompetence.
Of course we IRL tend to think that "enlightened despot" regimes never actually work because where could we find a perfect despot?
Viserys looks in a mirror.
 
Artemis1992 said:
He has been frustrated with both the Tritons and the people in He'Nekar.
It's a common point that he thinks any form of goverment with too many people in the ruling body is inefficient and takes too much discussion to get things done.
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He's not wrong, every time a decision for an outside group he's interacted with took an extended period of time before they could form a consensus about it, it has been on the order of weeks, months, or at least days.

I mean look at reality. Our form of government explicitly doesn't work.

I mean it sort of keeps the wheels greased, somehow it does enough to keep civilization collapsing around us, but upholding core responsibilities towards its constituents and citizens isn't something it can ever possibly do in its current form.
 
I actually love the irony of Viserys disliking democracy for being too inefficient and taking too much discussion whilst being the protagonist of a largely democratic cooperative story with 10,000+ pages of discussion.
 
Reminder here that we are gaining Mythic ranks these days. The 3rd rank will ensure that we won't die from old as long as the Imperium stands. With the 10th rank, it becomes impossible to kill us with anything except a Coup de Grace or Crit made with an Artifact weapon.

Oh, and we will be Old Red Dragon with 20 levels of casting and 10 Mythic tiers focused on casting. So good luck.
 
Crake said:
He's not wrong, every time a decision for an outside group he's interacted with took an extended period of time before they could form a consensus about it, it has been on the order of weeks, months, or at least days.

I mean look at reality. Our form of government explicitly doesn't work.

I mean it sort of keeps the wheels greased, somehow it does enough to keep civilization collapsing around us, but upholding core responsibilities towards its constituents and citizens isn't something it can ever possibly do in its current form.
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To be fair though, no form of government in history has ever worked by that standard.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Look, Viserys thinks that feudalism is a perfect system as long as lords do their job and aren't blinded by superstition/prejudice/incompetence.
Of course we IRL tend to think that "enlightened despot" regimes never actually work because where could we find a perfect despot?
Viserys looks in a mirror.
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Viserys is also pathologically incapable of doing anything but his very best and cleaving to an idealized version of duty that would make Stannis raise his brow in surprise and appreciation.

He's a fantasy in of himself, with a magical madness that allows him to, with an iron will, actually keep his word and not fall victim to human frailties and weakness like desire, lust and arrogance (while still being capable of experiencing all three of those emotions paradoxically).

Basically Viserys is the kind of leader one wishes they had, but knows it to be impossible because it would take them being literally magical.
 
Azel said:
Reminder here that we are gaining Mythic ranks these days. The 3rd rank will ensure that we won't die from old as long as the Imperium stands. With the 10th rank, it becomes impossible to kill us with anything except a Coup de Grace or Crit made with an Artifact weapon.

Oh, and we will be Old Red Dragon with 20 levels of casting and 10 Mythic tiers focused on casting. So good luck.
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GOOD LUCK, I'M HIDING MY MORTALITY BEHIND SEVEN MCGUFFINS!
 
Azel said:
At 9th, a Mythic creature or god could still kill us normally.

And let's be honest, that's what it will take by then to survive longer then 6 seconds against Viserys.
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Not normally, takes a crit or Coup de Grace too.
And to be honest, such creatures can get their hands on an artifact if they want one.
10 is no big difference to 9.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
Unfortunately, the Manifesto should probably be directly from Viserys, with him just laying out his philosophy and methods in governance, and the ideals and goals of the Imperium at large.

That doesn't mean we can't write the Corlys book - I've actually put a bit of thought into it. I think it should be written under an alias, and some people would suspect it's about us, but it'd never be clear enough to say for sure. The Manifesto would be about what the Emperor wants the world to be like, and the Prince would be about what a bastard knows the world is like.
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That's what I had in mind. The Manifesto as the propaganda piece that outlines Viserys views on society, governance and policy, while having the Corlys Waters book as a guide on populism, corruption, treachery, intrigue and all the other underhanded things.
 
Azel said:
That's what I had in mind. The Manifesto as the propaganda piece that outlines Viserys views on society, governance and policy, while having the Corlys Waters book as a guide on populism, corruption, treachery, intrigue and all the other underhanded things.
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Including Maelor in the writing is wise, because he's actually lived life born as a gutter rat, while Viserys just blatantly decided one day "yeah no, I won't live more than a month or two as slum-trash".

Granted he had magic to ensure it... one wonders if Viserys would have actually managed to even do that much if he was a mundane.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
He'll be hiding his mortality behind his empire, behind the Old Gods as a whole, behind extraplar boltholes with a McGuffin in them, behind Yss & Co, behind Companions...
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Quick reminder here that our current back-up strategies are an alliance with two vast planar empires, a divine hive-mind and the two ancient snake deities crashing on our couch.

Once we got the easy ways of dying out of the way by Mythic tiers, we can look into securing us further by more decisive means.
 
Azel said:
Reminder here that we are gaining Mythic ranks these days. The 3rd rank will ensure that we won't die from old as long as the Imperium stands. With the 10th rank, it becomes impossible to kill us with anything except a Coup de Grace or Crit made with an Artifact weapon.

Oh, and we will be Old Red Dragon with 20 levels of casting and 10 Mythic tiers focused on casting. So good luck.
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Ooh, we're picking up the immortality that way? :) Nice. I thought we were going to have to resort to being a pseudo-deity or something equally bad.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
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Name one please?
I'm curious!
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We are rarely paralyzed by a failure to get clear results on votes.
Due to our smaller numbers changing votes is easy if there is a tie or something close to it.

Also no chance of corruption in the classical sense due to our medium. You can't really bribe people here.

We are, to the best of my knowledge, not really engaging in backroom-arrangements. If they wanted to some of the more popular votecrafters could easily make some arrangement, but I think they don't.

Some more?
 
Crake said:
Including Maelor in the writing is wise, because he's actually lived life born as a gutter rat, while Viserys just blatantly decided one day "yeah no, I won't live more than a month or two as slum-trash".

Granted he had magic to ensure it... one wonders if Viserys would have actually managed to even do that much if he was a mundane.
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Ever heard of someone called George RR Martin? I heard he wrote that Omake a while back.
 
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