If there's a vote on its contents there's going to be in-thread political discussion though...

EDIT: I have the feeling that we agree on the basic elements of Viserys' policies though, do I don't mind being on the winning side (your side).
I honestly don't get most peoples reluctance to engage in political discussion. Baring people like @egoo who might have valid reasons to fear repercussions for doing so.

Political discourse is the lifeblood of democracy and if there is one thing I can pinpoint as both a sign and a source of many of the ills plaguing western democracy in the last two decades, then it is the reluctance or outright refusal of people to engage in debate.
 
I honestly don't get most peoples reluctance to engage in political discussion. Baring people like @egoo who might have valid reasons to fear repercussions for doing so.

Political discourse is the lifeblood of democracy and if there is one thing I can pinpoint as both a sign and a source of many of the ills plaguing western democracy in the last two decades, then it is the reluctance or outright refusal of people to engage in debate.
Debate is great!
I'm one of those killjoys who likes arguing politics at Christmas when we're all done catching up.
But online debate? Ugh.
At least people here bother with proper spelling, punctuation and syntax.
 
Debate is great!
I'm one of those killjoys who likes arguing politics at Christmas when we're all done catching up.
But online debate? Ugh.
At least people here bother with proper spelling, punctuation and syntax.

Most people are idiots undeserving of an opinion.

Edit: I wish I could say I was being sarcastic, but while you may interact with many intelligent, or at least rational people, if you're lucky at any rate, the vast majority of the teeming masses are like this.
 
I honestly don't get most peoples reluctance to engage in political discussion. Baring people like @egoo who might have valid reasons to fear repercussions for doing so.

Political discourse is the lifeblood of democracy and if there is one thing I can pinpoint as both a sign and a source of many of the ills plaguing western democracy in the last two decades, then it is the reluctance or outright refusal of people to engage in debate.
Would the political manifesto basically be Viserys explaining the state he found the world in and why he created the Imperium, and why everyone should buy into the idea of the Imperium?

Or did you have something else in mind?
 
Would the political manifesto basically be Viserys explaining the state he found the world in and why he created the Imperium, and why everyone should buy into the idea of the Imperium?

Or did you have something else in mind?

The idea of a Manifesto is always to influence people to come over to your point of view and be proactive about enforcing it or living by it.
 
It is better to assume you will die at some point than to believe you are immortal.

Besides, having a true rendition of our life story would be an incredible legacy.
 
I honestly don't get most peoples reluctance to engage in political discussion. Baring people like @egoo who might have valid reasons to fear repercussions for doing so.

Political discourse is the lifeblood of democracy and if there is one thing I can pinpoint as both a sign and a source of many of the ills plaguing western democracy in the last two decades, then it is the reluctance or outright refusal of people to engage in debate.
Speaking for myself only I just don't really want to clog up the thread with that stuff. Also I'd prefer it if we didn't accidentally draw the denizens of N&P here. There is a place and time for irl political discussion and heated (because it would get heated, with our playerbase) debate, I just don't think this is it.
 
Which reminds me of my idea to pen a IC political manifesto.
With MirrorVision going live in every halfway decent city in the Imperium next month, I think it's just about time to hit the propaganda button really hard.

What do you think of an Illusion-based series of Young Viserys programs geared toward children?

Viserys Targaryen and the Sorcerer's Tower.

Viserys Targaryen and the Dragon Princess.

Viserys Targaryen and the Horrors Beneath the Waves.

Etc.

High level Illusion magic really simplifies this kind of stuff.
 
It is better to assume you will die at some point than to believe you are immortal.

Besides, having a true rendition of our life story would be an incredible legacy.

We have mostly resolved to let any legacy we leave behind be the tangible works and structures and institutions we've built from the ground up.

If we die, we didn't deserve immortality of any kind, be it in written word or otherwise.

With that said we will probably write some books and texts at some point, meaning some of our experiences and life will remain in the world if we ever run afoul of death.
 
Which reminds me of my idea to pen a IC political manifesto.
I liked the idea of having it be from the perspective of some nobody named Corlys Waters and his experiences as a gang member in Braavos, which would as a sort of 'The Prince' with it being an utterly scandalous expose on realpolitik which leaders would publicly denounce and then privately read.
 
It is better to assume you will die at some point than to believe you are immortal.

Besides, having a true rendition of our life story would be an incredible legacy.
Not having our state secrets leaked would be part of the contingency plans in the unlikely disaster of our death.
Speaking for myself only I just don't really want to clog up the thread with that stuff. Also I'd prefer it if we didn't accidentally draw the denizens of N&P here. There is a place and time for irl political discussion and heated (because it would get heated, with our playerbase) debate, I just don't think this is it.
My general rule of thumb is to never, ever get into politics online.

I'm on the various forums to read and play in quests, and politics are a fantastic way to get infracted by mods. I'm not risking my quest time for any of that.
 
I liked the idea of having it be from the perspective of some nobody named Corlys Waters and his experiences as a gang member in Braavos, which would as a sort of 'The Prince' with it being an utterly scandalous expose on realpolitik which leaders would publicly denounce and then privately read.

I love this and it must happen.
 
With MirrorVision going live in every halfway decent city in the Imperium next month, I think it's just about time to hit the propaganda button really hard.

What do you think of an Illusion-based series of Young Viserys programs geared toward children?

Viserys Targaryen and the Sorcerer's Tower.

Viserys Targaryen and the Dragon Princess.

Viserys Targaryen and the Horrors Beneath the Waves.

Etc.

High level Illusion magic really simplifies this kind of stuff.

Ummm, i dont think it will work like a tv. More like a kind of video messaging service.

We have mostly resolved to let any legacy we leave behind be the tangible works and structures and institutions we've built from the ground up.

If we die, we didn't deserve immortality of any kind, be it in written word or otherwise.

With that said we will probably write some books and texts at some point, meaning some of our experiences and life will remain in the world if we ever run afoul of death.


Well that just means we wont leave behind our experiences and any actual advice to our descendants. Kind of sad to be honest.

Also there are a lot of people who deserve immortality but die anyway. Saying "oh he died, guess he didnt deserve it" just sounds extremely stupid. If that were true then we dont deserve immortity anyway since we have died once already remember?

Not having our state secrets leaked would be part of the contingency plans in the unlikely disaster of our death

Again, bloodline only.
 
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With MirrorVision going live in every halfway decent city in the Imperium next month, I think it's just about time to hit the propaganda button really hard.

What do you think of an Illusion-based series of Young Viserys programs geared toward children?

Viserys Targaryen and the Sorcerer's Tower.

Viserys Targaryen and the Dragon Princess.

Viserys Targaryen and the Horrors Beneath the Waves.

Etc.

High level Illusion magic really simplifies this kind of stuff.
I wanted to start with a news reel format for now and then see where to go from there.

Something aimed at children is definitely not in the cards right now, though we can easily make plays that pander to wide audience. Keep it a simple, heroic story for the kids as the base and then add political messages for the adults. And dirty jokes.
I liked the idea of having it be from the perspective of some nobody named Corlys Waters and his experiences as a gang member in Braavos, which would as a sort of 'The Prince' with it being an utterly scandalous expose on realpolitik which leaders would publicly denounce and then privately read.
That would be rather hilarious. Maybe co-author it with Maelor?


As for the manifesto, it would enshrine the core principles of the Imperium, the how and why of it's policies and why it is the best thing ever that solves everything forever by being too awesome.
 
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Edit: Don't know how this got in here... think I'll leave it there. Adds MYSTERY.

Ummm, i dont think it will work like a tv. More like a kind of video messaging service.




Well that just means we wont leave behind our experiences and any actual advice to our descendants. Kind of sad to be honest.

Also there are a lot of people who deserve immortality but die anyway. Saying "oh he died, guess he didnt deserve it" just sounds extremely stupid. If that were true then we dont deserve immortity anyway since we have died once already remember?

I mean that's just an opinion in itself as well.

I mostly mean that if we die, it won't matter what happens afterwards, because we'll be dead.

This is a very individualist thread. If you aspire to live forever, you have to actually think you will.

Build sturdy, but don't assuage your own ego so much as to believe you absolutely must live on forever if you can't even hang onto what you've gained by hook and crook.

Again though, with that said, I'm sure people actually want to write down some things. A written, no-omissions text which details all our dirtiest secrets and fears is not one of them. Those are personal and will probably be shared, if ever, during one-on-one interactions.
 
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>Implying mods come here unless called
We have 10319 pages of deterrent between us and them!
:rofl: True, but I meant more that this is why I never go to the politics sections of the forums.

I'm not going to risk getting suspended, temp-banned, or banned over politics of all things when I'm pretty much only here to read and quest.
As for the manifesto, it would enshrine the core principles of the Imperium, the how and why of it's policies and why it is the best thing ever that solves everything forever by being too awesome.
I'd be willing to outright make this an action. This is the kind of propaganda that'll vastly help to cement our rule.
 
Another important note is that Yss cares more about CR than total HD, so sacrificing powerful individuals is much more valuable than mass-sarifice.

And also, the Merling King has handed out a magic item of great use to us once, the amulet with Turn/Rebuke undead before Lys, so set that on the list of possible rewards.
It should also be noted that Yss unlike the old gods don't demand his sacrifices to be sapient, sure he will probably give more for it, but he accept non-sapient sacrifices, his normal worshippers sacrifice mundane animals to him for small boons, so things such as mindless undead are best fed to him.
Democracy sucks (IC belief)
I don't think this is really a belief of Viserys, he don't believe democracy is a particularly good government, but he don't have strong opinions against it, mainly because the only real democracy he has encountered is the Tritons, and yes he find that annoying, but that's not because he believe it sucks, it's because it makes things harder for him.

Viserys would have to actually encounter more democracies, before he decided his opinion on them one way or another, but I don't think he dislike the idea, so much as he isn't that fond of it, it's not like he's against the idea of councils ruling by the members voting, and that's a very limited form of democracy, mainly he just think that he makes one of the best rulers possible, which mean there's no reason for him to consider other forms of government.

He do believe the Triton's form of democracy sucks, but that's because it prevents them from organising into big groups easily, but he has no blanket dislike of the idea of democracy, he hasn't had enough exposure to it for that.
 
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A written, no-omissions text which details all our dirtiest secrets and fears is not one of them. Those are personal and will probably be shared, if ever, during one-o

You seem to be misunderstanding what i want.

I want our life story, one where we dont shy away from the more gory or dark aspects but says it as it happened.

I want an accurate autobiography, not a detialed collection of ways to take us down.
 
I don't think this is really a belief of Viserys, he don't believe democracy is a particularly good government, but he don't have strong opinions against it, mainly because the only real democracy he has encountered is the Tritons, and yes he find that annoying, but that's not because he believe it sucks, it's because it makes things harder for him.

Viserys would have to actually encounter more democracies, before he decided his opinion on them one way or another, but I don't think he dislike the idea, so much as he isn't that fond of it, it's not like he's against the idea of councils ruling by the members voting, and that's a very limited form of democracy, mainly he just think that he makes one of the best rulers possible, which mean there's no reason for him to consider other forms of government.
Examples of Viserys thinking Democracy lacks efficiency, courage and/or competence: Tritons, Myrish Glassworks leadership, local representatives in his own Empire, families in He'Nekar...
 
Ummm, i dont think it will work like a tv. More like a kind of video messaging service.
MirrorVision involves 100 foot wide, 50 foot tall enchanted mirrors that will be set up in the arenas of our cities where we will broadcast news, propaganda, performances, etc. for free to our citizens.
 
You seem to be misunderstanding what i want.

I want our life story, one where we dont shy away from the more gory or dark aspects but says it as it happened.

I want an accurate autobiography, not a detialed collection of ways to take us down.
Politically, that's the same thing. We aren't perfect. We've done thing we want to hide from Celestials, for example.
 
You seem to be misunderstanding what i want.

I want our life story, one where we dont shy away from the more gory or dark aspects but says it as it happened.

I want an accurate autobiography, not a detialed collection of ways to take us down.

Those two things are mutually exclusive, and if you think about what it would take to make what you're suggesting, you'd realize this.
 
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