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Should use Pathfinder Ranger instead. It's fun.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Should use Pathfinder Ranger instead. It's fun.
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That is a pleasant surprise, I honestly thought this level would be featless.
Are we looking at Flaws?
If so, what about Pride? She might not respect Ironborn traditions and heritage overall, but she has a healthy amount of self-respect. She's one of the few nobles who actually deserves their power.
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Sure. Give me a moment.
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No.
Rogue 3 and Oenetrating Strike first.
I'd rather avoid Craven and similar going forward, unless on someone with a humble build like Bronn.
Neither fits her character, and she doesn't need it to be effective.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we move on to Myr.
Goldfish
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You and @TalonofAnathrax work out a build for her and I'll put it in the level up vote.
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Penetrating Strike explicitly works only on Sneak Attack dice. Not the Mariner thing, not Craven, not Deadly Defense. If you're only dipping rogue, it's pretty terrible.
Rogue 3 instead of Mariner would mean fewer HP, more skills, and losing a feat (Craven I guess).
Thoughts on managing without Craven? Because it's a pretty crucial bonus to damage for her (right now +7 is basically +2d6 on every hit). I'm afraid that her damage will remain fairly terrible without it. Unless you want to go full Rogue, but I think that's a shame: I saw her as more of a frontline fighter and leader of men type. Hence why I've been pushing for more levels in Mariner or Fighter.
Swashbuckler could do I suppose, but I don't feel it's great. And just a minute ago DP said that he didn't want her to copy Bronn's build too much.
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I'm kind of tempted to dig up giving Danny her own fae court again.
Being able to dig out fae oaths legally...
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@Goldfish
Kinda drunk and tired now, so I won't make a plan, but I was pretty strongy in favor of getting Asha in a Captain's class, like Scarlet Corsair or Dread Pirate or Legendary Captain.
Can you current plans accomplish that?
She can get a good crew, for her personal combat against mid-level characters and monsters is less important than for most PCs.
Kinda drunk and tired now, so I won't make a plan, but I was pretty strongy in favor of getting Asha in a Captain's class, like Scarlet Corsair or Dread Pirate or Legendary Captain.
Can you current plans accomplish that?
She can get a good crew, for her personal combat against mid-level characters and monsters is less important than for most PCs.
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She already has one. Glyra is sworn to Dany, and Glyra has her own troupe.
Similarly we already have one by virtue of having the Queen Rhaella. She's fey royalty and sworn to us, so it's only a matter of time before she starts collecting minions of her own.
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There powerful, and may in time. Moon song said there would be a process however.
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The trouble is that those classes suck. They don't give a meaningful bonus to her troops. She could be a better leader by taking 1 level of Cleric and casting Bless!
No, the current builds focus on making her a better fighter.
She does have Allied Defense though.
Goldfish
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Asha's build has already been fairly unfucked from what it was. She likes to fight defensively and punish people.
She has STR 10 DEX 18, and her absolutely freaking awful Dirty Strike ability is mercifully stacking with SA. So, a precision build is obvious.
Mariner 4/Rogue 2 begs for Rogue 3.
She has 2d6+1d4 sneak attack then, perfectly serviceable. Her BAB at least will be +6, which is good.
But that is besides the point. Daring Outlaw makes it so she isn't just dipping Rogue.
In any case, SA can be easily boosted by 2-3 dice with just magic items.
Asha was never going to be a powerhouse with four levels of Mariner and her stats.
But BAB +6 and ITWF from a pair of gloves and 2d6+1d4 is serviceable.
@DragonParadox can we enchant her VS handaxe to be finesseable? Also, could she take the feat Double Hit without Improved TWF, and it's only work as long as a pair of Gloves of the Balanced Hand is granting the benefits of the feat?
She has STR 10 DEX 18, and her absolutely freaking awful Dirty Strike ability is mercifully stacking with SA. So, a precision build is obvious.
Mariner 4/Rogue 2 begs for Rogue 3.
She has 2d6+1d4 sneak attack then, perfectly serviceable. Her BAB at least will be +6, which is good.
It's been working so far with Garin's Craven, and I was looking forward for it on Bronn too.
But that is besides the point. Daring Outlaw makes it so she isn't just dipping Rogue.
Perfectly doable. She is behind 1d6+1 damage from a straight rogue, but her BAB is 1 higher. Not a great choice, but Mariner is was a shit class from the start.
In any case, SA can be easily boosted by 2-3 dice with just magic items.
Asha was never going to be a powerhouse with four levels of Mariner and her stats.
But BAB +6 and ITWF from a pair of gloves and 2d6+1d4 is serviceable.
@DragonParadox can we enchant her VS handaxe to be finesseable? Also, could she take the feat Double Hit without Improved TWF, and it's only work as long as a pair of Gloves of the Balanced Hand is granting the benefits of the feat?
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It'll be a natural progression, imo. We might have to put work into helping it along, but I don't see us not doing it. We don't like things out of our control in our lands, and this would put a lot more fey under our direct influence.
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
So in other words all that "it would make humans and fey bestest friends forever" bullshit she was trying to sell before was just that, bullshit.
Figured as much.
So giving her, and by extension, the lord, this crown would basically give the fey of the Reach a "proper" court where they can make grand official bindings instead of the back ally handjobs they've been currently giving out.
To be fair it's not exactly a bad thing, having someone at the top you can actually aim your complaints to is a useful thing in any organization, the only question I have here is by what manner does this lady mean when she says her Lord's nature is "just"?
Justice is relative, extremely so in fact. What they might consider just we might call cruel, or insane, or stupid.
King Solomon said to cut the baby in half when no-one could agree who was the mother but was only using that as a tool to find the truth, the fey lord might take that a whole lot more literal and split the little bastard in two.
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Speaking of which... we are long overdue for making her a strength item. I actually flinched when I realized we'd gone so long without addressing that. @Goldfish, is there room for adding +2 STR onto her Gloves of Zephyr's Grace (+2)?
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I care more about the style than actual power for her.
But if you all insist on a mechanically good option I can try for an Iron Reaver class tomorrow, had an idea for that long ago but thought it wouldn't be needed for a tertiary character.
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She's already using Weapon Finesse with her handaxes, I believe.
Saying "she's as good as a normal rogue" isn't fantastic, but I guess that it'll have to do :/
I take it that you want to take Rogue 3 now and then go full Swashbuckler? Didn't DP just say that he didn't want us to copy Bronn's build? I have no objections to it otherwise.
@Goldfish, I think we've agreed on this level at least:
[] Asha Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Rogue
-[] Retrained Feats: Sidestep Charge >>> Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes >>> Deadly Defense, Weapon Focus (Handaxe) >>> Riposte, Dodge >>> Allied Defense
-[] Skills (10 points): +1 Balance, +1 Bluff, +1 Intimidate, +1 Profession (Sailor), +1 Spot, +1 Swim, +3 Sense Motive, +1 Tumble
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[X] Plan Fat Chance
-[X] "So it would strengthen the rule of Fey law upon the Reach, to the detriment of the power of mortal lords." // This is pretty much exactly what she has just said, but it bears spelling out for the Reachers to catch on. If Fey pacts become stronger and the only appellation court is the Fey king, then the Fey are now officially establishing a state within a state that bypasses mortal ruler-ship as inconsequential. Coupled with the admission that the Fey will have an easier time plotting, she might as well ask for Highgarden to be handed over.
-[X] "You may hide it behind pleasant words and claims of mutual benefit, but this is what your desires will bring in the end. A Fey court raised beyond the power of the lords of the Reach or any other mortal that they are sworn to. I take it that arrangements have been made that territory will be ceded to this new kingdom you seek to make? Maybe a pact or two forged to that effect in anticipation of binding the fool who made it tight as vice with your newfound power?" // Keep a cordial tone, but this is to pull Paxter and the other Reachers on our side, potentially even leading them away from the Tyrells, depending on what dealings have been made there. This worsens her bargaining position considerably and ensures that any violence she starts will result in Paxter siding with us over "the treacherous Fey".
-[X] "As I stated before, an independent realm in the Reach is not within my interest, especially so if wields to power to bind any and all around it to it's will with bargains struck by clever tricksters. You have been giving me plenty of reason why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you. You speak about bargains made, but you have not offered any such. So then, in plain and simple words so that this poor mortal can understand, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?" // The correct answer to the last question is yes, otherwise she just proved everything else we've just said and we gain Paxter as a consolidation price.
-[X] If she now proposes to swear to Mace Tyrell, just snort and calmly explain to her that you are not reassured. Either Mace is an idiot for missing the implications of this bargain or he is an idiot for thinking a independent Fey realm carved from the lands of his bannermen is a good idea.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Okay. The third time is the charm!
[] Theon Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Mystic Ranger
-[] Improved Combat Style (Archery): Manyshot
-[] Skills (8 points): +1 Knowledge(Dungeoneering), +1 Knowledge(Nature), +1 Spot, +1 Survival, +2 Knowledge(Arcana), +2 Knowledge(The Planes)
-[] Spell Loadout:
--[] Level 0: Cure Minor Wounds, Light, Mending, Purify Food and Drink (4/day)
--[] Level 1: Guided Shot, Hawkeye, Hunter's Mercy, Primal Hunter (3+1/day)
--[] Level 2: Cat's Grace, Primal Instinct, Swift Haste (2+1/day)
--[] Level 3: Arrowsplit, Fickle Winds, Find the Gap (2+1/day)
[] Asha Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Rogue
-[] Alternate Class Feature: Trap Sense >>> Penetrating Strike
-[] Retrained Feats: Sidestep Charge >>> Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes >>> Deadly Defense, Weapon Focus (Handaxe) >>> Riposte, Dodge >>> Allied Defense
-[] Skills (10 points): +1 Balance, +1 Bluff, +1 Intimidate, +1 Profession (Sailor), +1 Spot, +1 Swim, +1 Tumble, +3 Sense Motive
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He isn't a swashbuckler, he dipped swashbuckler.
You are remaking Bronn's build. Don't need to.
She has the start of a perfectly serviceable AoO build. Sidestep Charge is not actually bad if she expects to be charged at.
Riposte is an interesting idea, but it's greatly benefited by Sidesteo Charge and Combat Reflexes, and we should add Double Hit and Robillar's Gambit to that.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Strength really doesn't do much for Asha. We can add +2 Strength to her gloves, but all it will do is increase her melee damage by +1.