I dimly recall knowing that this was a meme at some point, but I don't remember where it's from.
You are a pure soul and it is good. Stay with the Hitler memes, and don't sully yourself thinking of anime.
It's a Naruto meme. Danzo is to blame for more of the setting's problems than the actual alien invader final boss they defeat at the end of the series

In Naruto, blaming Danzo for something means you are, more often than not, entirely correct.

It got funnier when we played Orochimaru and just dumped every ounce of blame for every thing we ever did on Danzo.

Even after he was dead, we still blamed him for stuff. And we were still right.
You were in Shed Skin? Or is there another good Orochimaru Quest going around?
I read Shed Skin after it finished and it was awesome!
 
In Naruto, blaming Danzo for something means you are, more often than not, entirely correct.

It got funnier when we played Orochimaru and just dumped every ounce of blame for every thing we ever did on Danzo.

Even after he was dead, we still blamed him for stuff. And we were still right.
Ah, right. I vaguely recall that quest.

That being said, blaming Danzo is the perfect move. In 90% of the cases, you are right and in the other 10%, nobody is going to believe that it wasn't his fault.
You are a pure soul and it is good. Stay with the Hitler memes, and don't sully yourself thinking of anime.
It's a Naruto meme. Danzo is to blame for more of the setting's problems than the actual alien invader final boss they defeat at the end of the series

You were in Shed Skin? Or is there another good Orochimaru Quest going around?
I read Shed Skin after it finished and it was awesome!
To late my baguette munching friend. Far too late...

And yes, Shed Skin was nice.
 
Well Talon, how do I say this?

We are the baddies.

Our black-clad faceless army is called The Legion of Doom. It's not a subtle thing.
 
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Really, we're Team Morally Ambiguous at best.

People that don't justify extreme methods just get the noose or headsman's axe, which is no different from the other morally grey (at best) factions around who have been punishing enemies and criminals the same for millennia.

The only difference is we don't get queasy over sacrificing people who cross a line sufficient to be palatable to people at large upon the bloody altars of our Gods.

Even the Aztecs had worse PR than us.
 
Well Talon, how do I say this?

We are the baddies.

Our black-clad faceless army is called The Legion of Doom. It's not a subtle thing.
We're teaching people to associate "black-clad goons" and broken chains, healthcare, food security and fucking awesome speeches. By the time we're done with this setting, angelic wings will be a sign of the end times and faceless legions will be hailed as heroes!

No, I wanted a quest playing as the memetic cartoon evil plotter that everyone blames for everything, but who never seems to achieve much anyway.
 
We're teaching people to associate "black-clad goons" and broken chains, healthcare, food security and fucking awesome speeches. By the time we're done with this setting, angelic wings will be a sign of the end times and faceless legions will be hailed as heroes!

No, I wanted a quest playing as the memetic cartoon evil plotter that everyone blames for everything, but who never seems to achieve much anyway.

Ah, Orcus Upon His Throne: The Questening.
 
Personally, I don't truck far with the "We're Evil" meme. The worst thing we do is the sacrifices, that's limited strictly to people and things who have it coming, and it's done humanly. You could also say that the blatant empire building is nasty, but for crying out loud - we're abolishing slavery, feudalism, and in general making our subjects' lives so much better than they would be. If people, 'innocent' or not, have to die in order to institute change? That's a price we're willing pay. And so has anyone who's seriously wanted to make the world a better place.

Everything else has been grey at most and has always been for the better, both in the short and long terms. We've done ten times as much good as a more traditional 'Good' party of PCs ever could, and even then we don't exactly refrain from rescuing cats out of trees whenever we run into them.
 
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No, I wanted a quest playing as the memetic cartoon evil plotter that everyone blames for everything, but who never seems to achieve

How's your crack tolerance?

Sosuke Aizen's Quest for Confidence (Bleach AU/Nasuverse/Danmachi/???) - Crossover

Unintentional memetic badass evil...

From the Foundation: A Latveria Quest (Marvel Universe, CK2) - Superhero

Pretty heroic, but still as it's evil moments.

Well. Maybe.

There's always. I'm sure you've read this super villain quest already...

Villainous Ideals - Original

Albeit this is chaotic neutral.
 
Where we land on the Good - Evil scale depends a lot on what the general tone of the setting is.

In a standard Heroic Fantasy setting, we would be very much the bad guys.

But let's make it a test. File of the serial numbers and condense the Imperium to what it is. Black clad army called the Legion. Industrialization. Sorcerer King. Secret Police. Blood Sacrifice. Plenty of non-humans in our service. Weird bio-engineering projects. Planning to conquer the world.

Now tell someone who has no idea about this quest about this polity and gauge their reactions. I'm betting that most if not all will automatically assume you are describing the antagonists.

Viserys is morally grey because he has opposition that is simply so much worse.
 
Now tell someone who has no idea about this quest about this polity and gauge their reactions. I'm betting that most if not all will automatically assume you are describing the antagonists.
I ave a friend I tell about this quest.

What sold it for him was Ser Richard.

Black and red covered in spikes and wielding a flaming sword with a skull pommel, and armor forged in the depths of hell.

Ladies and gentlemen. The dragon.

We're much more effective than evil usually is as well. Probably because we are mindful of evils usual pratfalls.

No summoning fiends more powerful than you, no monologuing unless it's a trap, ect, ect...

No selling your soul or performing mass sacrifices (to dark powers) for quick power boosts...
 
Where we land on the Good - Evil scale depends a lot on what the general tone of the setting is.

In a standard Heroic Fantasy setting, we would be very much the bad guys.

But let's make it a test. File of the serial numbers and condense the Imperium to what it is. Black clad army called the Legion. Industrialization. Sorcerer King. Secret Police. Blood Sacrifice. Plenty of non-humans in our service. Weird bio-engineering projects. Planning to conquer the world.

Now tell someone who has no idea about this quest about this polity and gauge their reactions. I'm betting that most if not all will automatically assume you are describing the antagonists.

Viserys is morally grey because he has opposition that is simply so much worse.

Well yes, but a lot of that has to do with the oftentimes warped tropes of Heroic Fantasy evil as opposed to actual evil. It's telling that one of the standards for that is 'non-humans in one's service'. For that matter the notion that industrialization is inherently evil is nothing more than the consequence of Tolkien's imitators misreading him.
 
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Where we land on the Good - Evil scale depends a lot on what the general tone of the setting is.

In a standard Heroic Fantasy setting, we would be very much the bad guys.

But let's make it a test. File of the serial numbers and condense the Imperium to what it is. Black clad army called the Legion. Industrialization. Sorcerer King. Secret Police. Blood Sacrifice. Plenty of non-humans in our service. Weird bio-engineering projects. Planning to conquer the world.

Now tell someone who has no idea about this quest about this polity and gauge their reactions. I'm betting that most if not all will automatically assume you are describing the antagonists.

Viserys is morally grey because he has opposition that is simply so much worse.
You're just listing EVIL tropes, not actually evil acts. Sure, we come off as villainous at a glance, but with any real amount of inquiry, we'd land solidly on the Neutral-Good axis, and not just in comparison to our foes.
 
Part MMCDLXXXI: By Silent Ways
By Silent Ways

Tenth Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

After returning the room to how you had found it, you turn to the woman who you now fear had been chosen to be in this place for a reason quite apart from any intrigue of men and offer the best protection you can offer without blindly overturning the proverbial apple cart. You offer Mereth's services to protect her, and for another layer of protection you suggest that they wear each other's faces. "If anyone asks about these arrangements, say you made made a bargain with Master Liu to get his protection after a unpleasant encounter earlier today."

The lady nods and takes the ribbon with trembling fingers, yet when you return to the garden and reunite with your two guards she does not just meekly go along with your plan as you had assumed she would. Instead she asks a question of the Fury, soft but firm: "That's not what you really look like either, is it?"

"No," Mereth answers idly, though the lines of her face shift ever so slightly. Interest glimmers in her eye.

"What do you really look like?" Jeanna Forlys presses, struggling with herself. "I agreed to have someone wear my face knowing so little of them, before I didn't even want to know and look where it's gotten me. This time I'd like to know even if it's dangerous, at least I won't be stumbling blindly in the dark."

The Erinyes seems amused by this small act of bravery, but for you it is nothing short of impressive after all she has suffered today. Something to look for in an agent of the Inquisition, perhaps... No, not yet at least. "I will not lie, nor deceive you, but there are some secrets I cannot share on such short notice."

"Fairly said, Excellence," she replies in odd mixture of relief and disappointment writ upon her features.

The matter settled, you bid them to seek out Jarlar at the behest of his "investor" hailing from "Myr" from a few months ago and wanting to check if he thinks the time is right to invest the other hundred-thousand honors he had been offered then. If things go well then they are to withdraw from the manse in all haste by the manner that seems least suspicious to Mereth. "If things go poorly call in your mind and I will hear," you add, wishing upon them a silent bond by which you may converse without being overheard.

"In our heads like... praying?" Lady Forlys asks, confused.

The words have the rare gift of reducing you to stunned silence for a moment: "No, of course not. It's only a spell," you hasten to add.

"Now do you see why Hell is right to reap their souls, these fools who will latch on to any power and call it god?" Leto asks silently.

"That something is easy does not make it the proper path, else we would all sink into the tumultuous embrace of our passions never to rise above then," you counter swiftly, having long since marshaled an argument against that point of diabolic reasoning.

"It's just methods not purpose," she replies, though there is the slightest edge of hesitation to it. You idly wonder if that was the first rallying cry of Asmodeus. For certain it would have looked awkward upon a banner.

You do not directly counter her point, for such seeds are not sown in a day. Instead you ask that she look into what the others had found in Lys, particularly about the mysterious solicitor, while you look through the other chambers of the manse in search of passages and arcane signs.

Without substance you float through the manse hidden from the senses of flesh, yet you had hardly crossed the corridor that connects Lady Forlys chambers with those of the remainder of the east wing that you find something that could see you, something that dwells in this twilight realm: black as pitch and cold as only emptiness can be... shades forever twisted and tormented by the manner of their deaths float through the halls, by garb and manner seemingly born of a dozen generations and more. You see rich and poor, lowborn and high, but one thing is ever unchanged between them—all were of the blood of the dragonlords in life. Yet they pay your intrusion no mind, gathering in sorrowful choruses that follow in the wake of the living, unheard, unfelt.

Though tempted to attempt conversing you stay silent and keep to your task, taking advantage of the specters' strange tolerance as much as you can. Thus in two other chambers you find two more marks: 'wit' for Jarlar, 'knowledge' in Yargo's, and in each you also find secret ways, but it is in the third room that you discover the first self-evident sign of foul play: scorch marks on the walls, the scent of burning flesh and blood far fresher than the marks dripping over the headboard of the bed. A mage's duel had been fought here... fought and lost. You guess the meaning of the mark before you even read it: 'power'.

"Something approaches on this realm, something whole of mind,"
Varys hisses urgently in your mind.

What do you do?

[] Try to set up an ambush
-[] Write in

[] Retreat

[] Write in


OOC: Varys is really proving her worth here. Without mindsight or similar there's no real way to detect approaching ethereal creatures with all the haze that the physical objects around cause.
 
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We're much more effective than evil usually is as well. Probably because we are mindful of evils usual pratfalls.

No summoning fiends more powerful than you, no monologuing unless it's a trap, ect, ect...

No selling your soul or performing mass sacrifices (to dark powers) for quick power boosts...
The core of that is that we don't care about philosophy. We are not doing things in the name of gods or to please Baator or some other junk.

This is about winning. And it is about keeping to win. Forever.

The play-style changes drastically when you are planning to stay in power for a few millennia and not just to overcome that one obstacle right in front of you.
Well yes, but a lot of that has to do with the oftentimes warped tropes of Heroic Fantasy evil as opposed to actual evil. It's telling that one of the standards for that is 'non-humans in one's service'. For that matter the notion that industrialization is inherently evil is nothing more than the consequence of Tolkien's imitators misreading him.
I'm the last guy you need to preach the very questionable attitude of most Heroic Fantasy to.

Though the whole industrialization thing and the somewhat related troubled relation between fiction and science in general has other roots then Tolkien in my opinion.
 
You're just listing EVIL tropes, not actually evil acts. Sure, we come off as villainous at a glance, but with any real amount of inquiry, we'd land solidly on the Neutral-Good axis, and not just in comparison to our foes.
Most of these things I listed are very much acts. Such as sacrificing people or breeding plant monsters from the corpses of our foes.

What I'm purposefully leaving out is context. That's my point. It's the context that makes us Grey instead of Black.
 
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