Gates also have a far greater volume.

Imagine the HD. :o
You can only Summon a certain number of HD worth of creatures using a Gate spell and it costs XP to do it.

Merely opening a Gate would then require us to then go out and capture the sacrifices directly while allowing them to assault our side of the Gate.
 
You can only Summon a certain number of HD worth of creatures using a Gate spell and it costs XP to do it.

Merely opening a Gate would then require us to then go out and capture the sacrifices directly while allowing them to assault our side of the Gate.
So the sacrifices would save us the trouble of hunting them down? :D This only gets better and better for me.
Eh. I think it's cute, if trypophoby-inducing with those holes on sides of it's snout.

@Duesal, any additions to the list? I have already looted some of those actions you previously included, but I'm sure you may have something else.
No.

I am making an effort to have a far, far smaller minor actions list. The bloat was simply way too much, it needs to be cut back. Abstraction would have solved the problem, but people don't want abstraction, so this is the solution.

My only thing I'll be pushing this turn is the shopping that we're about to do right now, and summoning our various sacrifices and trophies-to-be.
 
Eh. I think it's cute, if trypophoby-inducing with those holes on sides of it's snout.

@Duesal, any additions to the list? I have already looted some of those actions you previously included, but I'm sure you may have something else.
The most metal part? Those pits are sensory organs. They are a set of "eyes" that allow the sbake to sense infrared radiation.

Also, it's not poisonous, but it's entire mouth is filled with sharp teeth to hold prey.
 
but people don't want abstraction
...what?

I'm pretty sure no-one would mind abstractions.
We've been doing them for a while now, and the only reason previous turn had soi much of a bloat is...

Well, that DP had left all the minor actions for the end of the turn (either by forgetting, or purposefully), where we had nothing else to otherwise do, so nothing to abstract theser actions into.
 
...what?
I'm pretty sure noone would mind abstractions.
We've been doing them for a while now, and the only reason previous turn had soi much ofa bloat is...
Well, that DP had left all the minor actions for the end of the turn (either by forgetting, or purposefully), where we had nothing else to otherwise do, so nothing to abstract theser actions into.
I'm still not going to add to the bloat. The last few turns of days of minor actions when they really should have just been handled offscreen has gotten tiring, I'm not going to make it worse than it has to be.
 
@DragonParadox I wish you would give us a limit on how many minor actions can be accomplished in a single day. From there we could work out the most minor actions we can reasonably accomplish in Viserys' free time rather than eating up four days of a new turn finishing the massive list we compiled for last month.
 
...Or we can just help DP out by roughly scheduling the minor actions throughout the month, so that DP doesn't forget what goes there and isn't forced to put them all at the end of the month.
:/

I refuse to acknowledge any "bloat" happening, when it is jsut us beign inefficient with scheduling and keeping note of stuff.
 
...Or we can just help DP out by roughly scheduling the minor actions throughout the month, so that DP doesn't forget what goes there and isn't forced to put them all at the end of the month.
:/

I refuse to acknowledge any "bloat" happening, when it is jsut us beign inefficient with scheduling and keeping note of stuff.
Until that scheduling is actually fixed and proven to be fixed then I have no interest in contributing to a massive list of minor actions, because as I see it all I've been doing with that for the past, what, five turns, is slowing the entire quest down. That was all fine and dandy until it actively started to take up days when it should have just been footnotes at most.
 
Until that scheduling is actually fixed and proven to be fixed then I have no interest in contributing to a massive list of minor actions, because as I see it all I've been doing with that for the past, what, five turns, is slowing the entire quest down. That was all fine and dandy until it actively started to take up days when it should have just been footnotes at most.
I think this needs to be brought up with DP again, then.
He already tried to do summarizing before, and it seems we need to double-down on that.

I mean... Of all actions on my list, it is just books that are likely to take an antire update... and that's mostly the backlog, really.
Which I don't even mind not getting adressed this month, I just keep it tracked this way.

Reading through Uniila can easily be added throughout the month.

Only other thing to offer a vote would likely be dealing with a Maester, and, well, that's a minor action only in name, as it is a continuation of a previous-turn full-action.

@DragonParadox, we need you here.
 
@DragonParadox I wish you would give us a limit on how many minor actions can be accomplished in a single day. From there we could work out the most minor actions we can reasonably accomplish in Viserys' free time rather than eating up four days of a new turn finishing the massive list we compiled for last month.
Frankly, I would be in support of this. I've always hated it when minor actions ate into the next turn.
 
@DragonParadox I wish you would give us a limit on how many minor actions can be accomplished in a single day. From there we could work out the most minor actions we can reasonably accomplish in Viserys' free time rather than eating up four days of a new turn finishing the massive list we compiled for last month.

The problem is that it gets right back to the issue of micro-managing time and what does and does not fit into a specific span. For what it's worth I feel the new system will make it far more easy for me to get back to weaving the minor actions into the major ones organically
 
Maybe we should just stop making the minor actions a separate list and instead attach them to major actions whenever sensible. That should cut down on confusion and especially when dealing with minor actions in Braavos, AK, or the OV, it's a helpful reminder of the other stuff to be done on that particular trip.
 
Interlude CCCXXXIV: From Marvels Sprung
From Marvels Sprung

Fifth Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

Rina pushed the lock of hair sodden with steam out of her eyes with a huff. It wasn't Baella's fault, but hot roiling mist still itched against her scalp, and the taste of burning salt set her ill at ease. Bathing the gentle traveler in the sea had proved to be the best way to quench her outer shroud of flame without harming her inner furnace, but it had also made the air thick and hard to gulp down, something the magic that warded against the heat would not guard against.

"I think we have have been going about this backwards," Rina said to the others.

Xor bobbed up and down curiously while Velen cocked his head to the side, listening intently. A part of Rina was still surprised by how lightly she could now take the company of a magic fire bird and a being from beyond all realms of sanity who was ironically one of the sanest people she knew.

The young mage cleared her throat. "We have been thinking of this like taking blood, but one quart of blood is the same as the next right? The gems are not that. They serve specific purposes to regulate the inner magics of Baella's, er... innards." Truth be told, Rina was not quite so certain about the way their study interacted with the healer's arts.

"They do not have any magic other than an affinity to fire once removed," Velen reminded her, though he did not dismiss her words as Rina still feared could happen at any moment and for any reason.

Baella opened one enormous luminous eye and looked at her, perhaps through her. "You shouldn't worry so much, dear. We all have something worthwhile to say."

"Er, right. You see, I think there are systems of gems that serve specific needs. Take out one and that whole function collapses, and the 'rogue gems' might even be poisoning her..."

"I don't feel poisoned," Baella assured them, obviously worried that she might have distressed one of her attended.

"Fire is the element of purification," Xor mused. "Mayhap you have been purging your own imbalance in the very inner flames the gems are wrought from, thus accounting for the disproportional loss of strength."

They went through testing all through the day, but by the end the results were conclusive that Rina's intuition had been right. Now they just had to find which of the gems paired with which and how to harvest them without causing harm, a difficult task to be sure but one they had a good start on.

Soonest begun, soonest done, Lady Cox used to say to her daughter. Rina giggled at the notion of her mother seeing her in present company, then she realized with a start that she would very much like to see that day in truth, not as some juvenile amusement, but because a world in which one such as Baella or even Xor could be introduced simply as a friend would be so much better than the one they all lived in.

Fire Whale Gem Harvesting Progress: 16/18 (monthly total)

Later that night by the light of unwavering witch light, Rina wrote a letter to her mother. It seemed the most prosaic thing, beginning with: 'I hope this letter finds you well' and ending with 'Love Rina,' and yet for the young mage it was more a marvel than all the strange secrets she was learning, the courage to write it more precious than gold.

OOC: I was really tempted to make this a two-part interlude but nothing else fit in properly. Still, short as it might be I think it gets the point of the action across in a way that also advances the character.
 
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@egoo, since the vote is still open, could you add a short visit to Braavos at the end of the month?

-[] Visit Braavos for an afternoon. Divine a good moment to pop in.
--[] Talk with the Sealord about the by then resolved actions (read: the conquest of) Myr and Lys and ask him for his expected schedule for Pentos so that we can ensure that we can hold our part of the agreement. As of now, we will probably arrive with 5 dragons of combat size.
--[] If the Planar Train Station is done, talk to Lady Uraka about it and invite her to the opening ceremony.

We haven't seen those two for a long while.
 
Maybe we should just stop making the minor actions a separate list and instead attach them to major actions whenever sensible. That should cut down on confusion and especially when dealing with minor actions in Braavos, AK, or the OV, it's a helpful reminder of the other stuff to be done on that particular trip.

That does make sense but there are also Sorcerer's Deep minor actions, the the demon summoning or asking people to write books. In any case I think we should stick t the list for this turn and consider if the system needs changing next turn.
 
Maybe we should just stop making the minor actions a separate list and instead attach them to major actions whenever sensible. That should cut down on confusion and especially when dealing with minor actions in Braavos, AK, or the OV, it's a helpful reminder of the other stuff to be done on that particular trip.
Really though, that leads to forgetting to do stuff we otherwise want to. That had been proven by a lot of stuff forgotten before Duesal started to make these lists.
We need these, if only so that we don't forget stuff.

And then there comes actualy doing them all, which was problematic as it sometimes didn't fit anywhere, or DP straight up forgot about stuff.

We'll see.
Hopefully this new system indeed helps.

@egoo, since the vote is still open, could you add a short visit to Braavos at the end of the month?

-[] Visit Braavos for an afternoon. Divine a good moment to pop in.
--[] Talk with the Sealord about the by then resolved actions (read: the conquest of) Myr and Lys and ask him for his expected schedule for Pentos so that we can ensure that we can hold our part of the agreement. As of now, we will probably arrive with 5 dragons of combat size.
--[] If the Planar Train Station is done, talk to Lady Uraka about it and invite her to the opening ceremony.

We haven't seen those two for a long while.
Done.
 
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