Duke William of
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Who would your current candidates be right now?
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Are princesses of major Kingdoms allowed or is Luciano restricted to nobility due to the poor roll?
Depends, how many Habsburgs are already on that list?
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Only one
I will show that soon but only like 5
A Habsburg, a Capetian, a Stewart, a Jagiellon, a Hohenzollern, a Vasa
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Nobility.
As much as he dosent want to marry he's forced to as a monarch.
Well there are all of those… but some of them are to say… old or children.
If we want to be brothers-in-law to Charles then there is Isabella of Austria. OTL she was married to Christian II of Denmark though I can easily see the butterflies causing Isabella to be held off the marriage market as Ferdinand tries to see how Italy is going to end up. Isabella seems pretty decent and here she won't be thrown into exile and unlikely to die early.
Depending upon butterflies you could also make an argument for Ann and Mary of Hungary if Vladislaus II is still alive or due to Charles shenanigans, Louis and Mary never end up in the court of Maximilian. Mary is another route to gaining Charles as a brother. We'd have to wait on Mary since she's 11 right now, but she seems like a competent waifu to help in statesmanship and is very cultured. Main issue is she's Charles' least favorite sister and lacks a lot of traditional feminism so poor at diplomacy and court due to strong will and personality.
Anne is very fertile with 15 kids, none of whom died stillborn and she was very intellegent and charitable. Also if Louis dies without heirs we get to become Kings of Hungary and restart the Roman Empire. Overall perfect wife material though she's 13 so Luciano will have to wait.
Two princesses who are both currently available without butterflies are Isabella and Beatrice of Portugal. Both are very beautiful and intellegent with Isabella basically being the De Facto monarch of Spain when Charles was gone to war or in the Netherlands, and while she was Charles' wife they haven't even begun engagement negotiations so we're not stealing his girl.
Depending upon butterflies you could also make an argument for Ann and Mary of Hungary if Vladislaus II is still alive or due to Charles shenanigans, Louis and Mary never end up in the court of Maximilian. Mary is another route to gaining Charles as a brother. We'd have to wait on Mary since she's 11 right now, but she seems like a competent waifu to help in statesmanship and is very cultured. Main issue is she's Charles' least favorite sister and lacks a lot of traditional feminism so poor at diplomacy and court due to strong will and personality.
Anne is very fertile with 15 kids, none of whom died stillborn and she was very intellegent and charitable. Also if Louis dies without heirs we get to become Kings of Hungary and restart the Roman Empire. Overall perfect wife material though she's 13 so Luciano will have to wait.
Two princesses who are both currently available without butterflies are Isabella and Beatrice of Portugal. Both are very beautiful and intellegent with Isabella basically being the De Facto monarch of Spain when Charles was gone to war or in the Netherlands, and while she was Charles' wife they haven't even begun engagement negotiations so we're not stealing his girl.
Only one? Those are rookie numbers
Everyone knows the Habsburgs conquered by marriage after all.
Which Mary are you talking about? The daughter or sister of Henry VIII?
Henry VIII's Sister, the Original wedding would've not happen as Henry got someone else he'd actually trust with his sister.. (Luciano)
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Well, if I have the year right, OTL's Anne of Bohemia and Hungary could work. She is the daughter and/or sister of the King of Hungary and if her brother doesn't have kids her children will be the monarchs of Hungary. So not only is she an important possible bride, marrying her would deny Hungary falling into Habsburg hands.
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So... Sorry for the delay.
Shit happened, and I apologize for that.
But after several months, I have rebuilt my notes for the quest, and I can now, without any hint of sarcasm will continue.
The Update will come within a couple of hours.
Finally, Luciano can get married or at very least play politics.
Shit happened, and I apologize for that.
But after several months, I have rebuilt my notes for the quest, and I can now, without any hint of sarcasm will continue.
The Update will come within a couple of hours.
Finally, Luciano can get married or at very least play politics.
The Brides to Be
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The Brides to Be:
Master Macheveli was smiling when you looked at him, and Senator Travioli…pardon, First Minister. It seems that both were discussing.
"For goodness gracious my boy, it's not been months since we last saw each other." Your master stated as you watched the two men prod at papers, trying to speak and talk about several things. "Get in here, we need to discuss the political situation of your future bride?"
You found yourself frowning. "Can't this wait? I have other things to worry about?"
There was a pause between two of the most influential men in the country before the Prime Minister stood and decided to be blunt. "If I must be speaking plainly sir, we are in dire diplomatic straights that a diplomatic marriage can alleviate much of the pressure?"
"How so, don't tell me we are so bloody stupid and poor in our missions elsewhere that we have found ourselves on the back foot?" You asked.
"Worse." Your master said. "We've scared out neighbors and they seem to be rallying their diplomats to make alliances. Even the Emperor has taken a keen interest in our dealings as of late, and the Imperial Diet, if one could call it that, has all but demanded that something, if anything can be done about the situation south of the Alps?"
"We pose no threat to the Emperor or any of his territories. And I have no desire to reform Rome." You stated.
"Many men claim such things, but it is not entirely on you." Travoli started. "And with such a powerful power being so quickly brought to prominence, and the Ottomans all but being thrown in our shores, in addition to the Barbery Coastline no longer being a threat for the first time in centuries-" There was a pause. "You can see how many think we are preparing for conquest?"
"If there is any conquest I want, it's the economy and this design I want to produce." You said, twiddling around with your fingers, already your mind was going back to the forge, of designs that are yet to be made. "So how can we prevent people from makeing decisions that would lead us down to war?"
"Marriage." Your master stated. "Pure and simple, bind yourself in blood, and then… there will be nothing more. You gain an ally across the continent that will provide us ample diplomatic leverage on diplomatic affairs, in addition to trade concessions, and the future of our… diplomatic efforts."
"And if we choose something else? Someone assumes we would be… making moves for conquest?"
"No one has that stupidity, not when we control the seas and mountain passes." The First minister said.
"Let me take a look?" YOu asked.
The Bachelorettes.
[]Princess Isabella of Austria: Possibly the strongest choice of the matches currently, politically and socially, and would grant you much-needed legitimacy across of all of Europe. She was to be wed to the King of Denmark, but with the rapid changes to the south, the Emperor decided to keep her close, and maybe make use of her, despite her own wishes on the contrary. Brilliant but not of the greatest health, but incredibly savvy and political, a patron of the arts with what little funds she has access to, and she is ideal to ally with the Emperor and the Hapsburgs. There is but one problem. Her poor health. There is a very real possibility that she will die before she marries you in Rome, or even give you children. It's a concern that the Government did take into account, but her own political position, and what she brings to the table, are worth risking her life.
[]Mary Tudor, Princess of England: Henry VII, King of England presented his daughter to be your wife and consort. While there is not much either nation could gain in terms of diplomatic investments or transfer of wealth… it would be highly symbolic of the special relationship that has grown between the two nations since the Reunification of Italy. There is also clearly a power move by Henry. Mary is highly educated, perhaps even more than you are in terms of government and ruling. Perhaps he intends to make you a puppet. It is something that the more radical-minded members of the Senate have suggested, but the First Minister accepted that it would be very difficult for her to take any real measure of control. But England would be a powerful ally, especially at sea.
[]Anna of Bohemia: Possibly the strangest match that was offered. Vladislaus, the King of Hungry, does not like you, and views you as an illegitimate monarch, without divine blood or any right to rule. That is to say, he wishes to wage war on you. Until he found himself in a position where he couldn't. He desires Italian Steel and soldiers to help him wage war on the Weakened Ottoman Turks. And besides his daughter, he is offering quite a bit more than that. 10 million Florin in Gold, as well as favorable trade concessions. But he wants Italy to join him in the War against the Ottomans.
[]Beyhan Sultan (Sister of Suliman): And Finally the match that should all but destroy your legitimacy… yet it doesn't. Suliman is playing a dangerous game, but he also knows that he was defeated by Italian Steel once, and her great navy. He wants to make sure the Armistice and peace, and the current state of affairs in the Mediterranean, remain stable. But in addition to his rather generous offer for marriage… he made another great boon that might tip the balance towards his offer being quite stupid to not take. He offered to open up the Dardenels and the Bosperous all Italian ships, giving you a near monopolistic access to the Crimea, and the Russians and Cossacks that live in that far away kingdom. This deal should make tens of millions of florins per year for Venice alone, speaking nothing about Genoa, Sicily, and every port on the Italian Mainland. All he asks is that the Italian navy not harass his merchant and warships.
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Master Macheveli was smiling when you looked at him, and Senator Travioli…pardon, First Minister. It seems that both were discussing.
"For goodness gracious my boy, it's not been months since we last saw each other." Your master stated as you watched the two men prod at papers, trying to speak and talk about several things. "Get in here, we need to discuss the political situation of your future bride?"
You found yourself frowning. "Can't this wait? I have other things to worry about?"
There was a pause between two of the most influential men in the country before the Prime Minister stood and decided to be blunt. "If I must be speaking plainly sir, we are in dire diplomatic straights that a diplomatic marriage can alleviate much of the pressure?"
"How so, don't tell me we are so bloody stupid and poor in our missions elsewhere that we have found ourselves on the back foot?" You asked.
"Worse." Your master said. "We've scared out neighbors and they seem to be rallying their diplomats to make alliances. Even the Emperor has taken a keen interest in our dealings as of late, and the Imperial Diet, if one could call it that, has all but demanded that something, if anything can be done about the situation south of the Alps?"
"We pose no threat to the Emperor or any of his territories. And I have no desire to reform Rome." You stated.
"Many men claim such things, but it is not entirely on you." Travoli started. "And with such a powerful power being so quickly brought to prominence, and the Ottomans all but being thrown in our shores, in addition to the Barbery Coastline no longer being a threat for the first time in centuries-" There was a pause. "You can see how many think we are preparing for conquest?"
"If there is any conquest I want, it's the economy and this design I want to produce." You said, twiddling around with your fingers, already your mind was going back to the forge, of designs that are yet to be made. "So how can we prevent people from makeing decisions that would lead us down to war?"
"Marriage." Your master stated. "Pure and simple, bind yourself in blood, and then… there will be nothing more. You gain an ally across the continent that will provide us ample diplomatic leverage on diplomatic affairs, in addition to trade concessions, and the future of our… diplomatic efforts."
"And if we choose something else? Someone assumes we would be… making moves for conquest?"
"No one has that stupidity, not when we control the seas and mountain passes." The First minister said.
"Let me take a look?" YOu asked.
The Bachelorettes.
[]Princess Isabella of Austria: Possibly the strongest choice of the matches currently, politically and socially, and would grant you much-needed legitimacy across of all of Europe. She was to be wed to the King of Denmark, but with the rapid changes to the south, the Emperor decided to keep her close, and maybe make use of her, despite her own wishes on the contrary. Brilliant but not of the greatest health, but incredibly savvy and political, a patron of the arts with what little funds she has access to, and she is ideal to ally with the Emperor and the Hapsburgs. There is but one problem. Her poor health. There is a very real possibility that she will die before she marries you in Rome, or even give you children. It's a concern that the Government did take into account, but her own political position, and what she brings to the table, are worth risking her life.
[]Mary Tudor, Princess of England: Henry VII, King of England presented his daughter to be your wife and consort. While there is not much either nation could gain in terms of diplomatic investments or transfer of wealth… it would be highly symbolic of the special relationship that has grown between the two nations since the Reunification of Italy. There is also clearly a power move by Henry. Mary is highly educated, perhaps even more than you are in terms of government and ruling. Perhaps he intends to make you a puppet. It is something that the more radical-minded members of the Senate have suggested, but the First Minister accepted that it would be very difficult for her to take any real measure of control. But England would be a powerful ally, especially at sea.
[]Anna of Bohemia: Possibly the strangest match that was offered. Vladislaus, the King of Hungry, does not like you, and views you as an illegitimate monarch, without divine blood or any right to rule. That is to say, he wishes to wage war on you. Until he found himself in a position where he couldn't. He desires Italian Steel and soldiers to help him wage war on the Weakened Ottoman Turks. And besides his daughter, he is offering quite a bit more than that. 10 million Florin in Gold, as well as favorable trade concessions. But he wants Italy to join him in the War against the Ottomans.
[]Beyhan Sultan (Sister of Suliman): And Finally the match that should all but destroy your legitimacy… yet it doesn't. Suliman is playing a dangerous game, but he also knows that he was defeated by Italian Steel once, and her great navy. He wants to make sure the Armistice and peace, and the current state of affairs in the Mediterranean, remain stable. But in addition to his rather generous offer for marriage… he made another great boon that might tip the balance towards his offer being quite stupid to not take. He offered to open up the Dardenels and the Bosperous all Italian ships, giving you a near monopolistic access to the Crimea, and the Russians and Cossacks that live in that far away kingdom. This deal should make tens of millions of florins per year for Venice alone, speaking nothing about Genoa, Sicily, and every port on the Italian Mainland. All he asks is that the Italian navy not harass his merchant and warships.
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This is mary Tudor, queen of France.
Not mary the fist, queen of England.
Mary Tudor, Queen of France - Wikipedia
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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...Oopsie...
What is the current date? Important for choices.
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The winter of 1518
Yes Vladislaus is still alive but barely
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Mary shouldn't be available because she's currently married to Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk who she's madly in love with. Only way she would be available is if Charles is dead or Henry VII prevented her second marriage, which if he did would make Mary very resentful to Luciano.
Vladislaus should be dead and Louis II should be King of Hungary.
I am SO tempted to vote for Beyhan, but honestly I don't think it could work lmao.
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We prevented that marriage due to our shinnanigans in reunifying Italy.
We really shook up all of Europe with that little bit.
And it meant that the brides are… avalible. Cause politics got a little wacky.
Read above I rolled and the old bastard is still alive.
Barely might I add but he still clinging to life out of pure hatred for the Turks.
Don't think a about it too much.
We kick sulimans ass, he knows well fick him up a second time.
At least at sea.
Holy shit Vlad the impaler is still alive
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I think these two are the best choices with Isabella offering legitimacy and we got a nice connection with Charles, while Anna offers a potential inheritance of Hungary and peace in the Adriatic. Main problem for Anna is of course we have to go to war with the Ottomans, though here our Navy should at least hypothetically blockade the straits and keep Europe secure. Though at least with Anna we got someone we can at least spend a year of marriage with versus Isabella who sounds like she's on death's door.
So big problem, war with the Turks or sick wife?
Huh I thought he would be joyful on us since we kicked and I say ALMOST singlehandly Drestroyed the Ottoman Empire like they we're literally about to Fall until the coup and we kicked them out tha their fleet is literally nonexistent and also stop one of their slave tradesindeed.
And he's very angry.