[X] Accept them as is

It's a fair deal, I don't think there is anything serious that's being overlooked with this deal
 
[] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[] Write-in Which Term(s) you wish to discuss

Well not so much about changing but asking about if we can add a dragon pit to dorne? And ask about the step stones and it's on goings? I'm curious.


Maybe someone will be able to write this out in a bit better way? If they want to.

[X] Accept them as is
 
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Ok how about this?

[x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[x] Write-in bring up the the potential issue about building a dragon pit for sunspear? Tell the prince that dragons should at least have a place to rest and be alone. That Dragonkeepers would be extremely helpful in the matter in making sure that everything goes more smoothly.
Then ask about the situation in the step stones? What has daemon done now?


[X] Accept them as is
 
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[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations

Not interested in anything more, no issues with the terms (that I have workable and reasonable solutions for), but I am curious about this one thing. (Sleep is for the weak)

Edit: am I seriously the only one voting for this? Alright then, from the popular options I prefer
[X] Accept them as is
 
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[x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[x] Write-in bring up the the potential issue about building a dragon pit for sunspear? Tell the prince that dragons should at least have a place to rest and be alone. Then ask about the situation in the step stones? What has daemon done now?
I would probably emphasize that having expert dragon handlers like Dragonkeepers is pretty useful in itself, but it is pretty good
 
[x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[x] Write-in bring up the the potential issue about building a dragon pit for sunspear? Tell the prince that dragons should at least have a place to rest and be alone. Then ask about the situation in the step stones? What has daemon done now?


It's a negotiation, so why accept the first offer?
 
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If a Dragonpit was absolutely necessary for having a dragon live in Dorne, then Rhaenyra wouldn't have submitted a list of requests that includes giving Dorne a dragon without requiring a pit, and Viserys wouldn't have accepted it as-is. The horse is kind of growing cold on the ground...
It is obviously not absolutely necessary since the Dragons have been living around King's Landing for a few decades, but Maegor was a pretty practical man, and if he built it was for a pretty good reason...

It is not a dealbreaker by any means, but it seems like it would be good to talk about it at least...
Um sorry I edited in the part about the dragon keeper as is seem is important to add.
As a suggestion, I would keep the Dragonpit and the Stepstones issueas separated in each subvote instead of mixing them together, besides that it looks pretty good
 
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[X] Reject Them (This Will Have Ramifications)

This unless someone actually puts in a vote adressing the real issues instead of giving the dornish their own dragonpit (and thus a place to get Eggs from later) like a rebellion/dance of dragons loving idiot.

Seriously, why do you wanna give them more dragons, the one/two they get the chance to influence without supervision is bad enough. And yes, giving the dragons a safe place to lay eggs, does give them more dragons.

[x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
 
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I wonder if someone else mentioned the possibility of rebellions beforehand, If only we had listened to them.
Again, more, smaller rebellions, separated in time and maybe place, are good (for us personally and for House Targaryen, not so much for the Realm). Gives us a chance to put them down in detail without any of them presenting much of a threat.

Anyway:

[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.


Perhaps it's the paranoia, but the gambit of "get dragon-riding princelings, then off their mother before she can come into her own" scares me a hell of a lot more than it seems to have scared the thread, and I want to forestall it if at all possible.

Also giving a vote to

[X] UrbanAvena
[X] Fanhunter696
[X] A_Somebody
[X] Ghost in the sun


For incorporating the above into plans.

[X] Agent X20
[X] Soup


had good ideas too.

Failing that, I'm prepared to

[X] Reject Them (This Will Have Ramifications)
 
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[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations
--[X] (Optional) Argument for Stepstones : Their location are strategic importance to open Narrow Sea as connection for Rhaenyra supporter bases of Vale, Crownland, and Dorne.
-[X] Give Rhaenyra Dornish Squire as soon as treaty formalised
--[X} (Optional) Argument : An enduring cooperation need more human face and Dornish Squire for Rhaenyra is a non threatening first step for that and a gesture of long-term trust and cooperation.
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.

I added argument for Stepstone and I hope it is helpful if anyone want to use it feel free.
Also I wanted to balance the Squired Prince to extend trust in a two way street. Especially important if the Prince is Squired by Qoren skeptical vassal. Also add Zimmerwald excellent timing term.

From the approval I especially like A_somebody for adding Wedding Term so Northern contingent can attend whole.
Approval for every fealty timing option.

[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.


[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations
--[X] (Optional) Argument for Stepstones : Their location are strategic importance to open Narrow Sea as connection for Rhaenyra supporter bases of Vale, Crownland, and Dorne.
-[X] Give Rhaenyra Dornish Squire as soon as treaty formalised
--[X} (Optional) Argument : An enduring cooperation need more human face and Dornish Squire for Rhaenyra is a non threatening first step for that and a gesture of long-term trust and cooperation.
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
-[X] Marriage Deadline
--[X] (Optional) Argument: 18 months places it at high risk of taking place during winter. This could block significant portions of the kingdoms from being able to visit. 24 months is likely more secure
 
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[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.

Yeah that delay for Dornish integration is too much.
 
OK, the integration issue is a pretty valid concern, and I think we should ask about the Stepstones as well, then we can see what our approach should be when we have better intel...

So here is literally the combination of @Somic and @Zimmerwald1915 plans...

[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations

[X]A_Somebody

[x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations
 
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[X] UrbanAvena

[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations
--[X] (Optional) Argument for Stepstones : Their location are strategic importance to open Narrow Sea as connection for Rhaenyra supporter bases of Vale, Crownland, and Dorne.
-[X] Give Rhaenyra Dornish Squire as soon as treaty formalised
--[X} (Optional) Argument : An enduring cooperation need more human face and Dornish Squire for Rhaenyra is a non threatening first step for that and a gesture of long-term trust and cooperation.
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
-[X] Marriage Deadline
--[X] (Optional) Argument: 18 months places it at high risk of taking place during winter. This could block significant portions of the kingdoms from being able to visit. 24 months is likely more secure

Pretty much like Urbans plan but legit don't want to risk the wedding deadline being smack dab in Winter proper. Sure people who really don't like this will have excuses anyways, but we seemed to make a good impression in the North so I really don't want weather to be a legit concern for those that do want to attend. And what's the point of having a giant ass royal wedding if whole portions of the kingdoms can't make it? I also think it's something that Qoren, from Dorne, would legit not think of and tbh Viserys probably wants Rhaenyra married sooner rather than later
 
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[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
 
This would be much more palatable if we give them a core concrete timetable... I would suggest 24 months because it is the high-end average os seasons duration in Westeros

Point. Updated to say 24 months. I get in character Rhaenyras main motivation is likely just Delay Delay Delay. I however do legit don't want to schedule the Wedding as North men and Valefolk--who seem to like her after her progress actions--are genuinely snowed out. No, dragon taxi really isn't a feasible alternative.
 
[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[X] Ask what seems to be the issue with Stepstone negotiations
--[X] (Optional) Argument for Stepstones : Their location are strategic importance to open Narrow Sea as connection for Rhaenyra supporter bases of Vale, Crownland, and Dorne.
-[X] Give Rhaenyra Dornish Squire as soon as treaty formalised
--[X} (Optional) Argument : An enduring cooperation need more human face and Dornish Squire for Rhaenyra is a non threatening first step for that and a gesture of long-term trust and cooperation.
-[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
--[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
-[X] Marriage Deadline
--[X] (Optional) Argument: 18 months places it at high risk of taking place during winter. This could block significant portions of the kingdoms from being able to visit. 24 months is likely more secure
 
Point. Updated to say 24 months. I get in character Rhaenyras main motivation is likely just Delay Delay Delay. I however do legit don't want to schedule the Wedding as North men and Valefolk--who seem to like her after her progress actions--are genuinely snowed out. No, dragon taxi really isn't a feasible alternative.
Honestly, considering that seasons in Westeros can go anywhere from 9 months to 10 years, it is pretty reasonable for the Dornish to put a hard time limit in case this is a very long season...

But considering that the average season tends to last anywhere from 18-24 months, I would rather have the hard time limit in the higher end of the average...
 
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