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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Aelora

Well that escalated quickly. Can't exactly avoid Jeyne because she's our cousin. If nothing else being related is a good excuse to be together. Even Johanna can't go against that when even she said only those related to Jeyne should interact with her. Which Rhaenyra is through her mother.
 
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[X] Talk about what will happen if she has a boy, matters of sucession and such.

Ripping the bandaid off might be the best since really, we're only talking to Johanna to secure our position as Heir and future Queen, but mayhaps establishing a good rapport with her will achieve the same result or at least make the conservation easier down the line.

Of course, while Johanna is Queen, she is also a Westerling, not a house to scoff at certainly, but not a Hightower.

So while Johanna may or may not have plans in the future to usurp us, I believe the main threat will be the Lannisters wanting a son of one of their vassal houses as the future ruler.

[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Aelora
 
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Relentless Storm said:
Of course, while Johanna is Queen, she is also a Westerling, not a house to scoff at certainly, but not a Hightower.

So while Johanna may or may not have plans in the future to usurp us, I believe the main threat will be the Lannisters wanting a son of one of their vassal houses as the future ruler.
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Hard to imagine the Lannisters wanting their vassals to suddenly also become their overlord. That seems like a recipe for having the throne appoint the Westerlings as lords paramount in house Lannister's stead.
 
[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Aelora
[] Ask how her cats are doing

Discretion is the better part of valor. Avoid her as an enemy as long as possible, try to increase her relationship score. I would say don't bring up the succession yet, try to get her a little more trusting first. Hopefully we can build a good enough friendship to influence her for the better and if not aim for it to be too late for her to do any harm by the time we become irreconcilable.
 
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That stress reduction is real tempting, but IMO there's real value in at least some rapport with Johanna so we get less restricted access to our future younger siblings and establish real connection there to prevent a potential usurper (and also curb the strong homophobia that Johanna would try to pass on to their child).

But straight up asking about "hey what if you're firstborn a son" is gonna be counterproductive to trying to create a bond with Rhaenyra's eventual little sib. Might be better to just be polite.

[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Helaena

Voted cuz I'm sentimental abt Canon Helaena's fate. I'll approval vote other names if needed.
 
[X] [Defiant] Declare you share your cousin's interest in women

This is very in character, given the bullshit she just dumped on us and multiple women we are friends and / or close with.
 
Well, that escalate quickly

I don't really think that going defiant is a wise move, even if our fallout with Johanna may be inevitable antagonising her at this point could also cut our access to our siblings, and I would rather avoid that...

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-[X] Helaena

[X] Ask how her cats are doing
 
[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Daena
[X] Ask how her cats are doing

Sorry, I love Helaena (both book and show), but I think having a different wife means a different daughter... which we should interact with.

Sure, it sounds like thank to homophobia becoming enemies with Johanna is more of an inevitability, but I still want to keep things cordial for now. Perhaps find a husband (aka beard) will keep any rumors at bay.

But just so we're clear, we want to make sure our childred ride the big dragons such as Vhagar and Vemithor. Silverwing "The Booper" seems like a good possibility as well.
 
[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Aelora
[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Helaena
[X] Ask how her cats are doing

I kind of want to reserve Daena (or variations of the name) for one of our daughters.

I'm kind of annoyed Corlys wouldn't let Laenor come with us on our progress.

Edit: Adding these write-in votes, to keep all of my votes in one place.

[X] Write-in: Tell her that jealous men have been spreading such tales about you ever since you took up the sword, and that you have learned to pay little heed to rumormongers. You danced with Jeyne because you did not wish to give anyone ideas about marriage.
 
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[X] [Defiant] Declare you share your cousin's interest in women

What if drama?
 
Well, that escalated quickly. Let's *not* immediately make an incredibly visceral enemy of the queen, shall we? That sounds like a recipe for all kinds of trouble even if the westerlings can't live up to the hightowers in that regard. Man. Maybe we can ask the lord commander wtf happened to her to be this vociferous about it?

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-[X] Daena
 
Qudrim8054 said:
Sorry, I love Helaena (both book and show), but I think having a different wife means a different daughter... which we should interact with.
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...I, what? No. While Azel has convinced me (to an extent) to go back to dice rolling for kids, both Johanna's and Rhaenyra's. The name you suggest here is not gonna determine what kind of daughter Johanna may or may not have.

Edit: Sorry misread.
 
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[X] Give your support to one the names she suggested
-[X] Aelora
[X] Ask how her cats are doing
Temes1066 said:
I'm kind of annoyed Corlys wouldn't let Laenor come with us on our progress.
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Going by the long reply time I can see this causing strife in Driftmark, this is the second peaceful overture we've offered them to be rebuffed.

Rhaenys: "Twice now the girl offers an olive branch and twice you have cast them to your feet. How many must be turned to kindling before you see the pyre building beneath you?"
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I don't really think that going defiant is a wise move, even if our fallout with Johanna may be inevitable antagonising her at this point could also cut our access to our siblings, and I would rather avoid that...
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It also means that you're going to convince Johanna that Rhaenyra is going to be a terrible queen, right before you leave her alone for 12 months to do politicking.

OTOH, maybe that's what we want? Blow this open as fast as possible, while Viserys is still sound and healthy, and hope that it tears a rift in the marriage that diminishes her kids standing?
 
Unless we happen to be very discreet with our relationship with Alicent this seems to make a conflict with Johanna something of an inevitability. She'd probably also hate Laenor as well. In that case maybe its worth it to take the stress reductions while we're at it if either way we're going to be at odds?
 
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Teen Spirit said:
I should point out that if Johanna wants to bare Rhaenyra from seeing her kids, Viserys is gonna have questions as to why.
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OTOH show Viserys seemed to have given Alicent a lot of leeway with their shared kids, as seen by how despite him being very in favor of marrying Helaena and Jacaerys he didn't force the issue when Alicent refused.
 
Parzival95 said:
Discretion is the better part of valor. Avoid her as an enemy as long as possible, try to increase her relationship score.
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To what end goal? Given her positions, conflict seems inevitable down the road, and we don't actually gain anything from delaying it. Whereas now we can get a bit of a stress reduction, which is nice. Even in pure game terms it's something minor vs, well, probably nothing.

Regency said:
That stress reduction is real tempting, but IMO there's real value in at least some rapport with Johanna so we get less restricted access to our future younger siblings and establish real connection there to prevent a potential usurper (and also curb the strong homophobia that Johanna would try to pass on to their child).
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If that works at all. I have doubts about just "being nice"ing our way out of that conflict. And for that matter, I doubt this will be the last time we will lock horns with Johanna, even before her kids are old enough that we could influence them.

Imperious said:
Unless we happen to be very discreet with our relationship with Alicent this seems to make a conflict with Johanna something of an inevitability. She'd probably also hate Laenor as well. In that case maybe its worth it to take the stress reductions while we're at it if either way we're going to be at odds?
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Yes! Thank you!
 
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