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Needle rifle is king, honestly. No logistics because it makes its own ammo with magic, hard hitting because it's a bunch of spikes being launched at your face, fast firing, and you don't ever have to stop holding down the trigger to reload. It is genuinely a dream weapon for infantry and it's unfortunate that it's so often maligned because I think if we were any other faction we would be screaming to get it.
Like imagine an imperial guard quest that gets told they could have a mass producable, infinite ammo weapon that a guardsmen can use safely, they'd do anything.
Like imagine an imperial guard quest that gets told they could have a mass producable, infinite ammo weapon that a guardsmen can use safely, they'd do anything.
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Is that not what a lasrifle is?
Very cheap, energy cells are trivially rechargeable, and they don't really explode.
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But you have to charge it. It takes some time, so if your weapon runs out while you're in battle, you're pretty fucked.
Yeah, but you don't have to stop shooting to reload.
It's warp powered. Very stable but still warp powered. Meaning it can be disrupted by a sufficiently skilled psyker.
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It also doesn't have the punch that other weapons systems have.
Our plasma weapons as example will be the standard, otherwise we wouldn't have picked cheap on them.
And the ability to chew light infantry is also better covered by other systems.
The real problem pretty much always is if you have something that is properly armored, and you have problems bringing it down.
Our plasma weapons as example will be the standard, otherwise we wouldn't have picked cheap on them.
And the ability to chew light infantry is also better covered by other systems.
The real problem pretty much always is if you have something that is properly armored, and you have problems bringing it down.
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If your enemy's psykers are disabling your needle rifles, presumably while you're shooting full auto at them, and succeeding, you're fucked anyway.
Just be thankful they're not turning you inside out.
Edit: a sufficiently skilled psyker could also easily break your lasgun, so it's kinda moot.
Small arms fire my not be as effective against sufficiently skilled reality warpers, more news at 11.
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Most decent, even human, psykers can affect whole swathes of the battlefield. Eldar professional psykers can cover kilometers with their powers. And that's without getting to higher echelons of power.
Needlers are machines that have more or less standardized ammo production runes, or whatever else they are using. Meaning that eventually opponents will be able to create efficient methods of shutting them down. And after that we will either need to start some kind of project "Rune Cryptography" which will make needlers cost way more or to make sure that eldar who use them also get training in overcoming such attempts at shutting their guns down through their own powers.
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We are talking about tech that is at least partially from the dominion era.
There will be no disruptions because that already has been worked out for several million years.
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They can affect huge areas of the battlefield, sure, but with enough finesse to disable small arms? Probably not.
If the psyker can power do disable every needle carbine in the battle, they can also melt your troops. Weapons not working is the least of our concerns.
And if said psyker exists, they could also snap the needle carbines in two, a much simpler process that works on even primitive weapons.
This is not a concern we need to be worried about.
This is shuriken catapult lore. We haven't figured out we'll need this yet but protection from psychic disruption is absolutely a thing that OTL Eldar think should be a standard precaution.
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hmm, something like that would impact the projectile generation part of the needler.
The simplest solution is to add a cartridge similar to shuriken catapult that is filled in through standard needler process. Then even in case of disruption you will still have a decent amount of ammo to continue fighting. And it's not like Ithilmar guys will care about slight weight increase.
Ah yes, the famously reliable Powers of the Warp. You can just throw them around and defeat whole Armies in Seconds, because Psykers of that Caliber walk every Street and sit in flocks on Trees, just waiting to be recruited.
As far as I remember most Guard Regiments can afford at least one battle worthy psyker. Not all do due to traditions, superstition and so on but the option is on the table. If there is Inquisition involved things would be much worse. And they don't need to be reliable as long as they screw up both sides since Craftworld eldar can't really afford losses at the time.
Crusade era has Thousand Sons with their math bullshit until the Four screw them over.
I am not going to worry about Psykers from other Races like that. The Crusade is still very far off, the nearest thing that can even threaten us are Orks and Chaos Deamons.
Then just declare our whole Technological Base to be non-viable while you are it tbh. It all depends on Wraitbone, which can all be disrupted, so just throw it all out and join the Exodites.
Wraithbone, when it's already sung in, is more resistant to warp stuff than regular matter. It's literally a super material.
It's not "non-viable" but it is a threat vector we should be aware of. Since we no longer have Vaul blessing our weapons by his very existence. Where previously people would need to contest divine authority now they need only to deal with eldar and weapons themselves.
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| Wraithbone Trauma Plates | 1 | None | Armor |
| Wraithweave Voidsuit | 2 | None | Armor |
| Wraithweave Brigandine | 2 | None | Armor |
| Wraithbone Hardsuit | 3 | None | Armor |
| Void Guard Warsuit | 6 | None | Armor |
| Ithilmar Assault Suit | 23 | None | Armor |
| Holo-Field Generator | 8 | None | Defense |
| Screamer Grenade Launcher | 4 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Lascannon | 6 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Heavy Flamer | 6 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Heavy Needler | 10 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Spike Cannon | 12 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Sunblaster Culverin | 15 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Gravetic Amplifier Culverin | 18 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Imploder Cannon | 18 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Sweeper Cannon | 18 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Fusion Mortar | 18 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Graviton Sheer Rifle | 20 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Vibration Culverin | 22 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Graviton Thruster Lance | 24 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Fatecaster Rifle | 25 | 1 Fatebender Psy-scope | Heavy Weapon |
| Point Singularity Projector Rifle | 25 | None | Heavy Weapon |
| Starcarver | 30 | 8 Starcrystals | Heavy Weapon |
| Close-Combat Weapon | 1 | None | Longarm |
| Lasrifle | 2 | None | Longarm |
| Lascarbine | 2 | None | Longarm |
| Flamer | 2 | None | Longarm |
| Needler Carbine | 4 | None | Longarm |
| Spike Carbine | 4 | None | Longarm |
| Spike Rifle | 5 | None | Longarm |
| Imploder Rifle | 6 | None | Longarm |
| Sunblaster Caliver | 6 | None | Longarm |
| Needler Rifle | 6 | None | Longarm |
| Fatesplitter Carbine | 7 | 1 Fatebender Psy-scope | Longarm |
| Graviton Thruster Caliver | 7 | None | Longarm |
| Gravetic Amplifier Caliver | 7 | None | Longarm |
| Starblaser Carbine | 8 | 2 Starcrystals | Longarm |
| Vibration Caliver | 8 | None | Longarm |
| Rending Blade | 8 | None | Longarm |
| Starblaster Rifle | 10 | 2 Starcrystals | Longarm |
| Implosion Maul | 13 | None | Longarm |
| Force Sword | 14 | None | Longarm |
| Force Stave | 16 | None | Longarm |
| Gravity Blade | 16 | None | Longarm |
| Power Sword | 18 | None | Longarm |
| Power Maul | 20 | None | Longarm |
| Laspistol | 1 | None | Sidearm |
| Flamer Pistol | 1 | None | Sidearm |
| Close-Combat Weapon (Light) | 1 | None | Sidearm |
| Sunblaster Serpentia | 2 | None | Sidearm |
| Needler Pistol | 2 | None | Sidearm |
| Fatecutter Pistol | 3 | 1 Fatebender Psy-scope | Sidearm |
| Vibration Serpentia | 3 | None | Sidearm |
| Gravetic Amplifier Serpentia | 3 | None | Sidearm |
| Imploder Pistol | 3 | None | Sidearm |
| Spike Pistol | 3 | None | Sidearm |
| Starblaster Pistol | 4 | 1 Starcrystal | Sidearm |
| Graviton Thruster Serpentia | 4 | None | Sidearm |
| Rending Blade (Light) | 5 | None | Sidearm |
| Force Sword (Light) | 9 | None | Sidearm |
| Implosion Hammer | 10 | None | Sidearm |
| Gravity Blade (Light) | 14 | None | Sidearm |
| Power Sword (Light) | 15 | None | Sidearm |
Anyway, I decided to sort all our gear by expense, which is a more readable view, I think? Might need to add another category for the techbase.
So, in the same cost category as the Needlers, we have the Imploders, which will be far better against armored targets (because gravity bypasses armor, so they just crush someone against the inside of their suit) but likely worse against more numerous targets. The imploder also has the advantage of having a built in "stun" setting, if we want to capture enemies. We also have the Sunblasters, who have problems during repeated fire, and therefore need powerarmor, but likely have better stopping power than the needlers at equivalent cost.
A bit higher we have the Gravetic Thruster Caliver, which is an excellent anti armor weapon, but too specialized for general use, and the Graviton Amplifier, which is 100% entirely, and totally useless.
As in, can't kill a regular unarmored human useless. With a peak power output of a mere 10g, this weapon will knock out a human standing up, but that's about it. A human lying down might even remain awake.
(Given that the tech does describe this as "crushing vehicles" and "crushing people" I suspect this is actually a case of "sci fi writers have no sense of scale".
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