I think the Emperor was particularly opposed to xenos rulling or influencing humans.
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
I think the Emperor was particularly opposed to xenos rulling or influencing humans.
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This doesn't really contradict anything I've said. Yes, there were instances of Xenos ruling over humans during the great crusade but there are other races that were exterminated for no reason. From what I recall of the great crusade the Imperium's policy whenever they came in contact with Xenos was to exterminate them with no reason needing to be given.
Not actually true during the great crusade there were multiple xenos protectorates in the Imperium. Of course after the heresy that stopped being an option but before that they weren't 100% xenocidal so long as the xenos weren't messing with humans.
I think our best chance is Big E looking/divining us stopping ork waaghs attacking human worlds and having a heavy drink with Malcador because he found not arrogant beyond reason Eldar.
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R&D has several parts.
In seeker you figure out how make lab examples that work.
In Bonesinger you work out to produce and make them work outside a lab.
Then you need to add it to your units which takes steward actions.
The seeker AP aren't the problem, its the bonesinger and steward actions.
We are literally trying something that has only been done on such a Scale by the Old Ones themselves. I think we are even more arrogant and Prideful than the Rest of the Bunch. They just do not comprehend the Depths of our Grand Machinations!
*Twirls fake Mustache and laughs*
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Yeah the only things we get out of having Human auxiliaries is - at best - a bootleg imperial guard (a waste of resources and lives since we're aiming for quality instead of numbers) and at worst, we just get a whole lot of chaff and end up getting the Imperium angry when they inevitably roll around (which they will since we're right next to Isstvan).
Plus, what kind of folks would we be if we hide behind auxiliaries? That's what our armour is for.
So Human diplomacy? Yeah, as long as we don't do something stupid like telling them where our craftworld is or formally creating an alliance like the Interex, Diaspora or any other Human/Xeno alliance of the GC, then we'll be fine (business partners and customers maybe, if we can find something we both want) but getting Humans to fight for us? Making official alliances and forming federations? Bad idea.
Also, not related but I don't want to see this turned into "Humans: The Quest, except from the POV of the Eldar", it's boring and ultimately will just turn into us babysitting them while they do everything, we get plenty of that from Games Workshop as is.
We'll be wearing power armour as soon as we can make it (next turn) so us being a lacrosse team won't be for long.
Directly quoting the flavour text from Char-Gen about our odds by the way.
So as we are right now (in terms of purely our craftworld's defensive ability alone) we have a pretty good/guaranteed chance of surviving a legion trying to kill us (less of a chance with their primarch if I'm reading it right)
Funnily enough, one of the things I remember about a minor xenos species (I can't remember if it was 30k or 40k) was that the Imperium discovered a xenos species who's body's basically made a way better rejuvenat (life-extension medication) that was basically several times better than any Imperial version, and they ended up harvesting them to extinction, iirc they weren't even all that threatening / they were a peaceful xenos species.
(This might not be canon, but I do remember seeing it)
Edit: Found it! And turns out it's also during the Great Crusade too.
Adarnian - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
So yeah, we probably shouldn't get any ideas of empire-building when the GC starts rolling around the northern edge, if anything I suggest we immediately go about trying to either hide or push deeper into the Halo Stars until it's time for the Heresy.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Let's also not forget that even being human owned and operated is no solution, the Great Crusade accepts only two outcomes, Compliance (Which is subjugation, at best maybe with a few trivial concessions to the upper classes that don't show up on their balance sheet to limit their time investment), and Annihilation.
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I'd like some examples of the "multiple xenos protectorates".
Also were they 'protectorates' or more akin to apartheid states. Given the GEoM's and Imperium's goal of the supremacy and Dominance of Humanity I could easily see any aliens in a client state being treated as second class citizens. Either to keep them from interfering with humanity sovereignty or to eventually cause them to rise up against 'superiors' offering a justification for the humans lording over them to do what they always wanted to and exterminate them.
Best case scenario: We find a way to boost our population numbers and the tech gives us more worlds to settle that population.
1st Mid case scenario: We have no use for more Maiden worlds but we can weaponize the technology against our foes. (We could exterminatis planets by making them inhospitable.)
2nd Mid case scenario: We have no use for more Maiden worlds but our knowledge of the technology is useful for other projects.
Worse case scenario: Someone destroyed one of our maidens worlds and we can make a new one.
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Professor Vesca
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Honestly I am fine with allying minor xenos states and human states. At the very least they could be sources of inspiration, and at best we could give them the tools to be more than a speed bump in the Great Crusade.
Heck, we could build a coalition of various states in the Halo Stars big enough to give the GC pause, maybe, possibly. We are all about giving up dreams of the Aeldari Dominion, and building something new after all.
Heck, we could build a coalition of various states in the Halo Stars big enough to give the GC pause, maybe, possibly. We are all about giving up dreams of the Aeldari Dominion, and building something new after all.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Being able to pull over a Primarch isn't actually that distinct from being able to ally with the IoM itself. They had basically carte blanche in terms of how they handled the expansion, as demonstrated by Horus looking at Interex and going "alright, lets see where this goes". Several of them are Xenocidal (and a few specifically hate the Eldar) but if we get Horus or Magnus or smth we could probably work something out so long as we're not doing a tyranny.
@Mechanis, how are our Astropathic skills? Like, how far away can we maintain something equivalent to a conversation, rather than the garbled letters human astropaths usually use? And do we have/can we make ansible gear to improve that, in either point to point or point to anywhere varieties.
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With the relic ship and full fleet backing it up, we can likely give the GC a pause until it throws more fleets/legions at us.
[X] Razorwind Jetbike
[X] Mirage
[X] Mirage
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Yes and no. Each individual Primarch was given free rein to bring various worlds into the fold but iirc there were 'clashes' between primarchs on how and why certain worlds were integrated into the Imperium. Being able to pull over a primarch is an "effective alliance with the Imperium" right up until one of the other Primarchs that hates Eldar or xenos in general (my moneys on Leman Russ) decides to go over their head and attack us anyway.
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[X] Razorwind Jetbike
[X] Mirage
[X] Mirage
Or the Emperor directly intervenes to fuck us up, as he did one time on an Eldar world, if Vulkan can be trusted. But then again, Vulkan's whole backstory with the eldar is a terminal case of writers not really doing the research and understanding that the dark eldar in their 40K form didn't exist yet.
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The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
That's still better than the Anatolian or multiple Legions rocking up. Or even just one Primarch rocking up without us being allied to another.
In our case, we won't be enslaving and murderfucking though. The Anatolian wouldn't have any reason to rock our shit.
The Emperor can't attack us personally. He gets weaker the farther he is from the Astronomicon. Part of the reason why he named Horus Warmaster is that he almost got choked to death by an Orc on Ullanor.
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It's more than a battle taxi, it also doubles as a mobile weapons/shield platform when they are used with our ranged units. I also think you might be underestimating the amount of fire they will draw.
And both the Steelswan Troop Barge and Mirage are the best battle wagon we can make at the moment and for a long time, because attached transports are limited as fuck when it comes to weapons. Just with different focuses one adds a bit more firepower to the barge, the other has double the shields to last longer while being shot at.
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I'm pretty sure being concentrated on a small open platform is, defense-wise, pretty bad for them and an extra grav shield doesn't compensate for that. They work better scattered so that one artillery barrage is not the end of the whole squad. So I think it's going to be mostly a taxi in practice.
We don't have to make it an attached transport though, none of our current vehicles are, for one. It just means that we'd pay extra CP and AP to introduce it to the army.
I forgot to vote for my plan... ups
[X] Heavy Jetbike model Tiranoc
-[X][chassis] Heavy Jetbike
-[X][Heavy weapon] Starcarver
-[X][Ranged weapon] Fatesplitter Carbine
-[X][Ranged weapon] Needler Carbine
-[X][Ranged weapon] Needler Carbine
-[X][Other Wargear] Vehicle Grav-Shield
-[X][Other Wargear] Vehicle Holo-Field
[X] Heavy Jetbike model Tiranoc
-[X][chassis] Heavy Jetbike
-[X][Heavy weapon] Starcarver
-[X][Ranged weapon] Fatesplitter Carbine
-[X][Ranged weapon] Needler Carbine
-[X][Ranged weapon] Needler Carbine
-[X][Other Wargear] Vehicle Grav-Shield
-[X][Other Wargear] Vehicle Holo-Field
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We are talking about a flying and pretty mobile platform that is under a vehicle grade holofield and has 1-2 Grav shields added to it to deal with any shots that still hit. That is considerably more survivable than trying to scatter on the ground in VGA armor in case of the rifle squad.
Both versions are also pretty cheap and as such can be attached to all infantry.
If it is not an attached transport, it eats up slots in the detachment rules and gives limits how many we can add to the unit. That is very undesirable.
Don't forget other possible votes (like Mirage or Steelswan).
Edit: Also that isn't a valid plan at the moment you might want to look up the equip cost for the Holo-Field and the Grav-Shield.
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[X] Mirage
[X] Razorwind Jetbike
[X] Razorwind Jetbike