Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Anyone who calls for de-escalation is a revisonist and wrecker, this is the perfect time to cut off the head of African Imperialism.

We haven't escelated enough, the Imperialists in France are continuing to oppress our comrades in Algeria. We should immediately dispatch a carrier force to Algeria, we have already secured one victory against the French Navy, we can do it once more.

We should also give a blank cheque to comrade Gaddafi, with his assistance we can liberate Algeria in under a year. I am absolutely sure that this will not backfire at all, in fact we should give Gaddafi tactical nukes, he is very trust worthy and coolheaded.
 
Anyone who calls for de-escalation is a revisonist and wrecker, this is the perfect time to cut off the head of African Imperialism.

We haven't escelated enough, the Imperialists in France are continuing to oppress our comrades in Algeria. We should immediately dispatch a carrier force to Algeria, we have already secured one victory against the French Navy, we can do it once more.

We should also give a blank cheque to comrade Gaddafi, with his assistance we can liberate Algeria in under a year. I am absolutely sure that this will not backfire at all, in fact we should give Gaddafi tactical nukes, he is very trust worthy and coolheaded.
I know this is a bit but I would not oppose giving him tactical nukes at all
 
No actually, I only found it when we were already on Malenkov, and I only created the SV account when she was already on the si-fi quest. But to answer the unsaid question, the difference is that Stalin's ethnic fuckery wasn't in the narrative, where as the Algeria situation very much is.(Just like in any "army" quest where every army deployment is presumably followed by metric tons of sexual assault like in the real world, but they don't make it a part of the narrative so it's fine)
Well, no; the actual unsaid question was "you do realize that the foundation of this quest is us knowing quite well we were working people to death by the tens of thousands in gulag shock labor brigades and congratulating ourselves on getting fewer millions of people killed from Stalinist purges and paranoia, yes?"

It leaves me with a somewhat jaded outlook on the mentality of "I would rather end the simulated nation in nuclear fire than, in-game, do anything less than the maximum to theoretically hopefully prevent this specific atrocity that is in front of me right now." Because the 'no atrocities playthrough' option was never on the menu and was very much gone forty in-game years ago.
 
And then he gets blamed, not us! I assure you we had no idea how he got those, cant believe he had a secret nuclear program
Genius, why hadn't i thought of that? While we are at it, we could help Gaddafi out (and ourselves) by helping him set up a Nuclear program, it would be a good cover story ''no we don't know how he got hands on our old ICBM's, he clearly must've made them himself''.

As such, we should build ICBM silos in Libya and give Gaddafi the keys to said ICBM's. Just for a bit of banter.
 
The next generation Mig-21bis for domestic and export use has been largely shaped by air combat developments in Algeria with a significant overhaul made of the airframe itself. The already planned R25 engine with a 100kN wartime emergency thrust has been chosen to replace the aging R13, enabling unparalleled acceleration in emergency combat conditions for up to two minutes. The radar system has been removed and replaced with an IRST derived directly from the Mig-23, incorporating missile integration and close-range combat modes for faster general acquisition. Compatibility with the R13T, R13MT, and R60 missiles has been included, allowing two long-range and four short-range missiles to be carried in standard interception configurations. The largest changes, however, have come in the airframe with an updated structure of aluminum-lithium alloy along with a new double delta wing wing form. This lifespan extension of old tooling is not expected to make a competitive front-line fighter, but a capable export craft more than able to compete with and destroy American export fighters.
IMO adopting pure IRST here is a mistake, it means that this aircraft is strictly chained to a controlled interception environment with minimal independent search capability. The S in IRST is pretty notional at this point given the narrow look angle and search rates they had. Outside that it's probably a perfectly competent interceptor and dogfighter, but any nation that can would be a lot better served buying MiG-23/25. So mostly CMEA members, doubt we sell those to just anyone.
One of the largest issues facing the new generation of Soviet fighters has been the lack of an adequate engine system for propulsion. For all of the thrust and promise of the AL-21F reliability across the force has been poor with both the 23 and 25 suffering from severe maintenance issues. Further, the AL-21 engine is severely fuel inefficient, limiting range and causing several concerns for long-distance carrier operation. This has been made all the worse by shortages of engine production from the plant with prioritization split on what is to receive them. The Aviadvigatel offering of the re-engineered and modernized D-20 engine, now designated the D-30 and in a low bypass configuration has been selected as the replacement. Since significant capacity has already been developed the less reliable AL-21 engines can be pushed into alternative applications. Second-generation aircraft of both the Mig-23 and Mig-25 families are expected to be constructed with the new engine before 1974, allowing significant range and capability extensions for both aircraft.
Adopting a big turbofan like this is a serious advance and shows willingness of Soviet designers to make serious changes in upgrades. I presume this is closer to the actual commercial D-30's in a low bypass config rather than the scale-up the D-30F-6 was on the Mig-31, the big afterburner on the Mig-31 likely wouldn't fit and it's considerably heavier than AL-21F. Still the advantage in range and performance will make the 23 and 25 into even better dogfighters. And it will make defining "4th Generation Fighter" a real pain, are these 4th gens? The Mig-25 now has pretty much every trait of a 4th gen aircraft, but it originally had turbojets and is a weird interceptor heavy fighter thing.
Frontline units across the German theater have started to receive the new Mig-23 in quantity while the new Mig-23K has started to replace the obsolete subsonic air wings used on the Kharkov Class. The immediate issue with the plane has come in the form of the engine and some specifics of the missile-radar complex. Close-range engagement profiles for the R13 and its variations are inherently limited with the R60 compensating somewhat but proving to be limited due to poor kinematic performance. The airframe itself also suffers from several minor avionics issues as the performance of identical systems against enemy air defense has been universally poor and the simple radar warning system used in both the Mig-23 and Mig-21 are insufficient for an accurate battlefield picture. Countermeasure pod evaluations in place of a drop tank have proven viable to improve survivability through the use of thermal flares and chaff, and one has been designed to replace the central drop tank as a temporary measure until adequate second-generation models can be produced.
The primarily used model by the army is expected to receive the main focus of modernizations with a higher agility R13M of both radar and heat-seeking variants developed for the fighter. The primary performance improvement is expected to be a shorter intermediate phase, allowing for its use in a far closer minimum range envelope. Further, the IRST is expected to be improved with provisions made for mounting the Mysl HMD system for close-in combat. This is to be paired with a more advanced directed radar with a high off-boresight tracking and locking mode, reducing pilot load in combat situations. Automatic slats have been added to the wings along with a computerized control system, improving stability under all flight conditions. Long countermeasure rails are to be incorporated into the airframe, with current standards divided into the specific dimensions of optimal countermeasure release patterns. A fully integrated RWR system with specificity to 30 degrees outside vertical threat profiles and small blindspots outside the main axes has also been developed to be integrated into the new second-generation Mig-23M.
This is probably the result of Algeria and pilot reports emphasizing ability to get lock on targets very quickly and chaff/flare integration. Serious flare integration at this point is huge, most fighter aircraft didn't start to get countermeasures until the late 70's or even 80's. Chances are other powers learned that too though. Unfortunately RWR seems to be just Beryoza earlier, not a generational leap akin to ALR-46. Well maybe, but 30 degree specificity doesn't sound too great.
For the Mig-23MK the same modifications are expected to be incorporated along with the ability to mount for the newly developed Kh-15 missile system with an active radar anti-shipping seeker head. Further hardening of the landing gear and provisions for the mounting of twin R13M mounts on the inner pylon have been approved for the design, allowing a total of eight missiles to be carried for interception duties against likely far larger bomber waves. Multiple target tracking on the lighter Saphir system is not expected neither is TWS functionality, but the presence of more ordinance is expected to significantly improve fleet defense capability. The more limited navelized version does have worse agility and capability due to the heavier and more reinforced airframe, but that can be compensated for with lower fuel loads as the D30 engine offers considerable range extensions over AL21F-equipped Mig-23s. In all of this, the lack of performance of a single pilot for guidance, tracking, acquisition, and engagement has left the ground attack variation effectively canceled with developments made in the Mig-23B program transferred to the Il-42 and Su-24.
Kh-15 is probably the same sort of ballistic weapon as OTL so useful to have it on fighter platforms but not revolutionary. So far no sea-skimmer from planes.
To accompany the general modernization of the Mig-25 to the D-30 engine system an avionics upgrade has been planned out. New production integrated circuits are expected to significantly improve the processing capability of the aircraft along with some improvements in detection. Dedicated hardware for the precise location of radar threats has been incorporated along with improving the capacity of the underwing pylons to carry all variations of the Kh-15 or 1500kg on each pylon for use as a light tactical bomber. The fuselage mounts for R40s can be directly replaced by 500kg bombs of any variety, but the configuration is inherently limited. Countermeasure systems are currently in development with a temporary modification made to provide a limited capacity for thermal countermeasures on first-generation airframes. The new Saphir-25M radar system is effectively a total overhaul of past systems, introducing strong chaff rejection with the R13M system. The new system further incorporates improved missile compatibility, allowing the use of the R40A equipped with terminal onboard radar guidance.
Now this is probably a new RWR more akin to ALR-46 or later. Maybe MPRF radar processing too, I think our computers are good enough to fit that in a big fighter radar like this. Pretty spooky to have in 1972. R-40A would I think make multiple target engagement much more practical. Previously doing it with SARH missiles and a mechanical radar. we'd have had to be splitting the missiles by time so that only one was terminal and receiving illumination. Now it's possible for a Mig-25 to execute an attack similar to F-14/AIM-54 where it can just launch all missiles one after the next.
Ground attack capabilities for the entire force have been effectively consolidated into two airframes to provide weapons officer targeting capability while ensuring a stable platform. The Su-24 has been advanced with the unmodernized Al-21F engine that is set to run at a less aggressive thrust profile at a lower altitude to minimize wear. Integrated tracking systems from the canceled Mig-23B program have been added as an under-cabin pod providing full tracking capability on the front aspect along with enhanced loiter designation capacity after ordinance release. The plane itself is expected to carry its ordinance across nine hardpoints with five on the fuselage, two heavy, and two light hardpoints on the wings. The central and inner wing points are made for carrying the heaviest ordinance while the rest are designed for Kh-25 or 500kg bomb mountings with the option for twin R60 mounts on the outer light wing pylons. The tracking system itself is still unreliable but it is likely to be pushed given the inadequacy of other supersonic attack aircraft.
Yeah with one-seater fighters the load is just too much with current computing and automation capabilities. It seems like it's already bad enough just executing air superiority missions with them. So the ground attack has been handed off to dedicated platforms. Getting a real EO pod will make them capable enough, though I wonder what other than Kh-25 they're going to carry. Presumably Kh-15 as well, but ideally they'd get something longer ranged to give them some interdiction capability.
Design and testing of the new Object 200 complex for the replacement of obsolete M-3 and M-4 bombers has advanced rapidly with the near total obsolescence of subsonic bombers. Adapting a lifting body airframe along with a new generation of jet engines Suhkoi has designed a combined fuselage meeting all current specifications on paper. The use of a variable geometry wing was necessary to meet operational requirements with the development of the improved RD-36 or NK-32 engine for a quadruple mount to provide enough thrust. The principle goal of the program is effectively a nine thousand-kilometer range at a three thousand-kilometer cruising speed necessitating a large number of adaptations. Sukhoi has also claimed that the bomber will be able to carry two heavy Kh-45 missiles internally and two externally for both anti-shipping and nuclear roles. For lighter antishipping work it is expected to carry sixteen Kh-15s internally and eight externally allowing a significant increase in saturation against heavy carrier targets.
So bomber. This is an extremely capable(i.e. expensive) bomber platform that should be able to actually penetrate even some competent air defenses. Kh-45 looking into it should be able to overtop USN SAM systems, basically a aero-ballistic glider in the 70's. At the same time this is a pretty specific capability to be paying a lot of cash for. ICBM's work just as well for nuclear attack, this is really a dedicated tactical platform for engaging carrier groups or for hunting launchers on the ground at shorter ranges. For a lot of the cruise missile deployment or mud moving missions that OTL bombers have actually done, this is major overkill. Similar to the B-1A in that regard. I wonder if the M-4 will hang around like the Tu-95 and B-52 have IRL.
The Yak-38 has had its first flight with evaluations centered on assessing the aircraft as a capacity addition and modernization of the Kiev-Class. The first flights themselves have proven disappointing as while the plane is capable of VTOL operations its payload is limited in the extreme. Under good conditions, two Kh-15 missiles can be carried, but even that requires considerable weight shedding to allow. Using lift jets to achieve some aerodynamic stability along with several improved systems to reduce the load on the pilot has still resulted in a questionable temperamental frame. The test pilots have found the craft challenging to operate in a pure VTOL configuration and it is currently believed that a small STOL craft would be a better improvement. A lot of one hundred of the fighters are still going to be ordered as they offer a massive improvement over the obsolescent Yak-30 but even then the gains are far more marginal than they should be.
So our Yak-38 is more like a harrier, IRL no way would Yak-38 get off the deck with something like two Kh-15's. Hopefully lessons learned will be adapted for any future VTOL... presuming there is one. Not so sure given Kiev-Class is limited and there are full-size carriers in the USSR.
Combat experience with the R60 has shown several deficiencies in the range of combat along with lacking launching discipline. The sensitive seeker head does allow front aspect shots under some limited conditions along with longer-ranged side aspect shots but the kinematics of the missile are lacking. Many pilots have been trained to release as soon as a side aspect tone is available but this has proven questionable due to both the seeker and the missile itself. Against fast-moving targets, the motor is insufficient to achieve an intercept and if the profile is significantly changed the missile can be turned into an evasive maneuver. While not an issue early on in the war the lack of any measures for countermeasure resistance has limited the system as the seeker is easily confused by thermal countermeasures. Improvements toward the fidelity of the seeker and a disengagement of the seeker for a few seconds on the detection of countermeasures, and a kinematic overhaul will come on the updated missile, significantly improving performance.
Push-ahead IRCCM and presumably spatial discrimination. Another thing from Algeria I presume, though that it was necessary suggests that the West will have wised up to the need for countermeasures on their fighters as well. I suspect that ITL will simply be more advanced in both IRCCM and flares than IRL so will mostly even out, no advantage to either side. That we're thinking about side-aspect hit chance and motor power makes me think something like R-73 is in the pipeline.
Using a higher bypass development on the D-30 engine the Il-76 prototype has had its first flight. The transport is effectively developed as a replacement for the An-12 along with being pushed into several auxiliary airforce roles. Progress on the prototype has effectively been directly copied over from several bomber programs that have been rejected allowing a simple continuation of performance even if the fuselage is improved. Most of the avionics and cabins have been cloned directly from the M-3 to keep the continuation of production while the fuselage itself is built from modern aluminum alloys. Once entering into production the Il-76 is expected to deliver up to forty tons on rough dirt fields and provide forward resupply along with modernizing airborne forces. Four thousand kilometers of range is expected to be enough to entirely replace the An-12 in all frontline and rough field roles.
Awkward that Il-76 is going to inherit some features from our old bombers. Still hopefully it will do it's job without being too awkwardly old in this regard. Maybe if we push Tupolev factory some for airliners they'll have something better to think about and do some upgrades.
 
Someone call the mods and a priest or something please,Posada has clearly risen from the grave and is making sock puppet accounts to try and cause armageddon in this quest,he must be stopped!
 
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How can the French win this war because just genociding the algerians is just going to make them see this as do or die, and especially that Frances people don't want to be in it at all?
 
Yeah, but "better than the OTL Soviet Union" isn't good enough that I can do anything but laugh grimly when I hear self-righteousness.
Doesn't the USSR still hammer down protestors in this timeline as well, or am I remembering something from a few policies ago.
Well there's John the Intern getting thrown to the wolves because Enron and other US Oil Companies gave the USSR oil drilling tech, but that was always going to happen.
Yeah fuck John the filthy traitor.
 
Well there's John the Intern getting thrown to the wolves because Enron and other US Oil Companies gave the USSR oil drilling tech, but that was always going to happen.
We should totally send the VDV, the Spetsnaz and just for good measure, a pental battalion (do we still have those?) to rescue a hero of the Soviet Union from the evil that is America.

I very much doubt we'd achieve anything other than losing brave men, but it will escelate the tensions, which is good as it will accelerate the global revolution.
 
The dice really screwed us
Also, yeah the ones that voted to Avoid Escalation are definitely within their rights to be smug about this, especially considering the Dice screwed us over.
What do you think 'chance of nuclear war' means? It means that there is some real, meaningful chance of that happening. I don't get to accept a 20% chance of disaster, then roll an 11 on a d100, and say "the dice screwed us." I knew that could happen.

It's only "the dice screwed us" if the dice are consistently, overall giving disproportionately bad results across the board. Any one die happening to roll low is expected or damn well ought to be.

I am guessing not far considering that people aren't really interested in this thing escalating into a Nuclear exchange, which a shooting war threaten to do considering France has an insane Atomic use policy.
It's not insane when you know perfectly well that you'll start losing a conventional war fast and hard and have no hope of surviving as an independent state except to threaten to go for the jugular and hope the enemy isn't willing to die today.

Don't know why we would be the only ones fucked the French should have to make concessions as well.
At some point it is not about "should," it's about "does."

Why give us the choice at this point ?
Why put obviously bad options with only a single good one ?
Because Blackstar doesn't exist to insulate us from the option of making terrible choices and is under no obligation to do so.

it literally is random dice chance
people only feel emboldened to publicly masturbate and gloat because the random number generator lead to a crisis
A 20% chance of a disaster is a 20% chance of a disaster. Gamble and lose, and you can expect to be told 'ya messed up' by people who didn't want you to gamble in the first place.

like it is literally just because of random chance and numbers
even the qm is also surprised because it takes some extremely unlucky rolls to fuck up a very simple task
we literally do not vote on the dice numbers
should we switch to 2 die 50 instead of 1 dice 100 to make rolls smoother and not likely to get such extremes?
No, because there is no reason to. Swingy d100 outcomes are normal and part of the process of not being able to predict what will happen. If we make risky choices, some percent of them will end badly. That's expected. If you don't like it, don't support risky choices.

people have openly stated Algeria and Algerian lives do not matter in this vote so obviously some people are going to vehemently disagree and vote in defense of the Algerians and this simply is not a bad thing
Do Soviet lives matter? Does risking everything in a possible nuclear war against people who quite sincerely believe they are justified in launching a nuclear attack against you matter?

The lesson of the Cold War is plain. In a world where both sides have H-bombs and sincerely believe that total annihilation would be preferable to total surrender, "Never Back Down" gets you and everyone you love killed.
 
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France even with huge amounts of US support won't be able to hang onto Africa.
Lets give France a population of around 48 million, 41 million before the war 4 million dead, lets say lets be generous and say 1% population growth per year every year from end of ww2 ~30% unlikely but hey.

Now Algeria lets say only 10m compared to IRL 13m very unlikely, add on West Africa's 69m, morocco's 15m, so 94 million people spread over 9.2 million square KM. Now there options are crack down harshly and anger even more people, not a good option but most likely. Or treat local elites better, but they don't have the money for that considering they got looted heavily by Germany. They could give up the rest of Africa in which case good.

They are already having protests against the war in the first place, there will be an upswing of support but there is no way that lasts for long when dead bodies start piling up at home again. How long would you support the war when its sending your son back in a body bag? When you remember losing 1 in 10 people you knew growing up? All that for what, not money the effect of conscripting the people required is going to hurt your economy bad.
 
The Mediterranean Crisis(November 14th 1972)
The Mediterranean Crisis(November 14th 1972):

The Preamble:


With the consensus reached on the politburo through the aid of Algeria through the commitment of a naval force, the order was given. Obukhov, Belik, and Nikolaev all backed the order with Romanov tepidly supporting it in the pre-emptive votes to determine how the crisis would be handled. Seymonov insisted that the entire maneuver was risking humanity for an insignificant colonial conflict but was willing to implement the policy over disagreements of the situation. Briefings on the matter concluded that a French response was unlikely regarding immediate aggression. Furthermore, if the situation could be decisively contained French influence could be further pushed away from the Mediterranean, consolidating our influence and providing Southern ports for further mutual support.

Vice Admiral Ponikarovsky was given the latitude to gather a force from the Black Sea fleet with a convoy organized with three frigates providing anti-aircraft cover for a main element of two destroyers. Both of the cargo ships designated for the special mission have been technically loaded with humanitarian supplies in case of inspection, providing further cover for operations. The task force itself was provided with a simple mission of traversing the Turkish straits for freedom of navigation exercises setting sail to Tripoli directly and refusing any inspections until docked at port. The orders were given to a similar effect, pulling ships from the Black Sea fleet and moving several submarines in the area to assist with operations. Expectations for the operation at worst involved some ramming and close naval actions but little effective combat.

When transitioning the straits, several patrol aircraft noticed the formation, but this was almost expected as the entire convoy was traveling at the speed of the Partisan, a slow merchant that was primarily tasked with the job due to availability. Fuel was taken on in Athens along with a short shore leave to prepare the crew for a likely politically significant voyage. Explicit orders were given to avoid the firing of any warning shots or ramming unless directly protecting the convoy or if directly engaged by French forces. Further, the task forces armament was judged as sufficient to deal with any naval threat that France would be willing to spare outside significant air attack even if airbases on Greece were brought to a greater state of readiness to support operations.


The Crisis:

When transitioning into the blockade zone declared by the French, a local naval task force was rapidly transferred to the area comprising three frigates and a cruiser. In broken Russian several transmissions were made mandating the inspection of the cargo and the mandatory borders of the naval patrol zone. Going by Ponikarovsky's report the French spent the better part of an hour screaming into their radio systems attempting to declare the waters impassible and protected from any navigation exercises or transfer of weaponry. Despite the insistence on the holding of international law, the French task force shifted their positions moving to close in on the task force with two of the frigates determined to maneuver unsafely.

Initial ramming actions between the two fleets scraped against each other, dinging the hulls but with little actual damage outside the paint. One of the French Capitans, frustrated with a total lack of progress chose to place himself in front of the Druzhny expecting his much larger ship to come out ahead from the action but Druzhny's adaptations for northern service came through, plowing into the softer hulled frigate despite attempts to reverse and signal once the captain determined the French ship was committed. The initial ramming action gouged a deep hole in the French destroyer-sized frigate, likely causing her to take on water but still maintain power. Afterward, the French fleet hesitated on direct contact, staying close but backing off and continuing to spout warnings about shooting if the convoy refused to turn around. Damage to the Druzhny was comparatively mild, with much of her reinforcement for icebreaking scraped along with mild flooding in her frontal compartments from the impact.

The reports for the following situation get far more vague as radio reports of the situation have been cut off, but as far as can be determined the French followed through on the threat with a 100mm round impacting twenty meters short. The captain of the SKR-53 responded to this by starting to engage with his 76mm guns, likely due to the fear that his five times smaller ship would rapidly be destroyed by any French battery impact. Reporting to Vice Admiral Ponikarovsky and the Black Sea Command that he was being engaged by a French frigate and that he was ready to sell his ship dearly. Ponikarovsky broadly took this as a full-scale French attack rather than the actions of a single ship, with more 100mm shells following in rapid order. The captain reported in his last report that at least three hits had landed on SKR-53, before the bridge was lost and before the rest of the fleet could maneuver to return fire.

Responding to the provocation and with the dusk lit up by a mixture of gunfire and the burning frigate, Ponikarovsky moved to engage, ordering his flag to fire on the cruiser while the escorting destroyer was to split fire between the two remaining frigates. Neither reacted to the turn-in of the Soviet warships and only started to strongly track with radars after the turn-in despite the burning SKR-53 avoiding opening fire and giving the initiative to the admiral. Both targets were in the closest range band but the authorization to fire was still given, leading to the first P-15 shots to be fired in anger at close range and effectively under conditions of limited terminal guidance. Confirmation was provided from radio transmissions to the headquarters that at least four hits were scored on the cruiser before she could bring her guns to bear, lighting off a secondary explosion and splitting her bow. Performance was more limited against the frigates, with the lagging one hit by two shots while all other missiles failed to track.

The following gunfight went worse for the fleet as 100mm shells made their mark in another of the small escort frigates, bringing her to a standstill before significant damage could be done with the 76mm guns. The struck French frigate started to burn strongly with little fire returning, both destroyers split targets, wearing down both remaining French frigates until they were effectively combat-incapable within eight minutes of close-range gunfire. Ponikarovsky himself was wounded in the combat, but both French ships remaining were left burning hulks in exchange for the combat loss of his flag, the Reshitelny to secondary fires in her aluminum superstructure. Odaryonny picked him up before the ship was lost, transferring the remaining crew on board as the situation developed and night fell, a last report was given from the Odaryonny that the fleet was picking up survivors and dealing with severe fires.


International Manuvers(10PM November 14th 1972):

Being woken up in the early hours of the morning has never been a pleasant experience, but the ministers involved have all been awoken and rushed to the bunker networks under Moscow. The current situation is dire as a naval engagement happened earlier in the day, leading to a tentative if uncertain technical state of war between two nuclear powers. Seymonov was already in the room screaming at Belik for the imbecility of assuming that France could be pushed around to an unlimited extent while at least Romanov managed to appear well-collected. The naval situation was still reported on to the best knowledge of commanders in the field with Belik calling it a victory before getting shouted down by both Romanov and Seymonov saying that he likely won't exist long enough to appreciate his fucking boat collection.

The only bright spot of the night was that the US ambassador was both available and capable of being dragged out of his home by his attendants and getting a line to the president. The man was under the belief that his embassy was getting attacked for a few minutes before realizing what happened and the sheer number of soviet diplomats available. From there a line to the Whitehouse was made, raising soon-to-be-removed president Humphry for negotiations. Thirty minutes were provided for briefings on both ends of diplomats with a domestic commission raised from the politburo to navigate the crisis excluding those that were seen as most responsible for the crisis itself. A strong commitment to de-escalate the crisis was given to the Americans as no one wanted to end humanity over a Frenchman in a sandbox.

Military orders were still handed out to move ICBM forces to high alert and accelerate the casting off of all SLBN-capable submarine forces. Mobilization of the latter has been ordered to be conducted within a day, bringing the forces to something of a readied state. The missile forces themselves can only be maintained for a few days in a full launch-ready state but if escalated neither the crisis nor humanity was likely to last that long. Tentative orders have been given to armed forces in Germany to start mobilizations and organization for defensive operations across the North German plain. Further efforts towards preparing local commands have started as while Belik is politically unreliable he is still key to any effective military response. Cross-border intelligence has indicated strongly increased activity from French forces with increased movements in the countryside and a likely dispersal of their nuclear arsenal.

If their nukes are to be caught on the ground as much as possible an immediate attack has to be ordered and carried out, as only by neutralizing the majority of French nuclear forces on the ground can even half of the European CMEA population be saved. No one has been willing to confirm such a plan, but by carrying out an immediate and total frontal nuclear attack it may be possible to soften the counterblow enough that only Moscow and dozens of German and Polish cities will be lost. Everyone in the bunker is likely to die in such a course of action but without it, it is almost certain that the European continent will be incompatible with life. An organized conventional military response would only be available in a few days leaving more than enough time for the entire French nuclear force to harden and disperse.

Unconventional escalation options are limited but as France hasn't done anything outside the engagement yet some form of diplomatic solution can be salvaged from the crisis. The American president has entered discussions with several diplomats and Seymonov, receiving a briefing on the Soviet perspective of the crisis and how to move forward with the rest of the politburo effectively over-ruled on the matter. After approximately ten minutes of tense phone discussion, an exhausted Seymonov has broadly discussed the options available to the politburo outside what he considers insane militarism. A tentative agreement to prevent any movement of nuclear forces has been agreed on along with a lack of military engagements on the French border, with Humphry insisting that as long as Soviet forces do not start an offensive neither will the French. This agreement broadly surrenders the initiative for French forces and US reinforcements crossing to Europe, but even a day-long window offers significant room for negotiation.

The following day the first American offer came in to resolve the crisis and get forces in Europe to stand down, with a key insistence that direct formal support for the ALN stop along with an informal agreement to keep weapons away from the Mediterranean. Further that reparations are provided for the sunk French warships and their crews, effectively a symbolic contribution but an important one to get the French to agree. As an added term, Ponikarovsky is to be removed from his command disciplined for his actions, and dismissed from the military. In exchange, the crisis can calm down and they can ensure that France does not move against the Soviet Union as they would have no broader support while paying reparations for any seamen lost. Far more importantly though the Americans are offering a removal of their tactical nuclear weapons from France, reducing tensions and the risk of a cascading war.

[]Advocate for Accepting the Terms: The current conflict is a clear loss for Soviet prestige in that escalation has been pushed too far for the assets and military capacity available. Accepting the American concession will mean an inherent reformatting of aid to Algeria along with the intensification of intelligence activities for working around the restrictions. This can still be done without too many compromises and the reduction of tensions can reduce the damage to the economy done by mobilization orders. Further, Seymonov is unlikely to react over-zealous and will likely take the concession in mind in the sure-to-come political infighting.

[]Advocate for Biding Time: If more time is taken the military forces available can have more time to get into position and the economy can be further mobilized. Standing down the moment conditions are offered is not going to look good to anyone involved and would be a clear sign of Soviet weakness. Taking a few days to prepare a response and advocate for terms more favorable to the Union can produce a better outcome than simple bluster. The desperation of Humphry is likely to produce a significantly larger surrender at the negotiating table getting something from the current conflict instead of a humiliating slap-fight. (???) (Chance of Nuclear War)

[]Escalate the Conflict: The French position is the weakest it has ever been and they are deeply unlikely to escalate to a nuclear conflict as there will not be a France or French people if they take the gamble. Military action can start being prepared along with a German-Soviet offensive through the low countries. The relative degree of surprise along with the weakness of the American administration can be taken advantage of to secure significant gains. Seymonov is almost certain to react poorly but Belik is the most important man in the room and can likely be brought on side. If Soviet forces appear ready to invade then further concessions can be produced from both the West. (???) (High Chance of Nuclear War)

No Moratorium
 
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What do you think 'chance of nuclear war' means? It means that there is some real, meaningful chance of that happening. I don't get to accept a 20% chance of disaster, then roll an 11 on a d100, and say "the dice screwed us." I knew that could happen.

It's only "the dice screwed us" if the dice are consistently, overall giving disproportionately bad results across the board. Any one die happening to roll low is expected or damn well ought to be.


It's not insane when you know perfectly well that you'll start losing a conventional war fast and hard and have no hope of surviving as an independent state except to threaten to go for the jugular and hope the enemy isn't willing to die today.


At some point it is not about "should," it's about "does."


Because Blackstar doesn't exist to insulate us from the option of making terrible choices and is under no obligation to do so.


A 20% chance of a disaster is a 20% chance of a disaster. Gamble and lose, and you can expect to be told 'ya messed up' by people who didn't want you to gamble in the first place.


No, because there is no reason to. Swingy d100 outcomes are normal and part of the process of not being able to predict what will happen. If we make risky choices, some percent of them will end badly. That's expected. If you don't like it, don't support risky choices.


Do Soviet lives matter? Does risking everything in a possible nuclear war against people who quite sincerely believe they are justified in launching a nuclear attack against you matter?

The lesson of the Cold War is plain. In a world where both sides have H-bombs and sincerely believe that total annihilation would be preferable to total surrender, "Never Back Down" gets you and everyone you love killed.
I strongly disagree with this reading of the Cold War. The lesson it gives in my mind is in a battle of superpowers of that level you can never back down or let up because even the smallest advantage leads to massive power balances in the long run. OTL the Soviets were about as passive as they could possibly be while maintaining their sphere, and it killed them, while the Americans were active in disrupting the Soviet sphere and aligning others, and it won them the conflict


Edit: biding our time seems like the best of a few bad options here, as much as I deeply want to escalate. I am simply not willing to even discuss the idea of ending support to the resistance
 
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France even with huge amounts of US support won't be able to hang onto Africa.
Lets give France a population of around 48 million, 41 million before the war 4 million dead, lets say lets be generous and say 1% population growth per year every year from end of ww2 ~30% unlikely but hey.

Now Algeria lets say only 10m compared to IRL 13m very unlikely, add on West Africa's 69m, morocco's 15m, so 94 million people spread over 9.2 million square KM. Now there options are crack down harshly and anger even more people, not a good option but most likely. Or treat local elites better, but they don't have the money for that considering they got looted heavily by Germany. They could give up the rest of Africa in which case good.

They are already having protests against the war in the first place, there will be an upswing of support but there is no way that lasts for long when dead bodies start piling up at home again. How long would you support the war when its sending your son back in a body bag? When you remember losing 1 in 10 people you knew growing up? All that for what, not money the effect of conscripting the people required is going to hurt your economy bad.
IIRC, there's a specific ratio for the number of troops required to successfully occupy a, mostly, militarily pacified region. In a "There are literal military manuals on this kind of sense, and this is the absolute minimum to have a chance" sense.

Off the top of my head I think it was something like 10% of the local population? but it's been a while, and I don't recall where to find the source.
 
Comrades, do not worry, the Discordburo has cybernetically determined the optimal course of action:


Thus:
[X] Advocate for Accepting the Terms
 
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