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I am so sorry everyone, esp the Algerian people, for we have condemn them to slow death in French concentration camps.
Despite so many fellow member high on copium now, we MUST simply accept France's demands!
Good news:
  • No nuclear war, yet
  • First W for our new navy
  • Delay oil crisis
  • The US was not unhinge, formally blames us
  • Defend international brotherhood
Bad news:
  • Immediate mobilization
  • New ship design for close in fight with cannon, paid for France new ships
  • Economy in free fall
  • But also see France was stupid as well
  • End 20 yrs of international respect from not being asshats
Algeria is not yet lost.
Welp, time to move on and NOT ESCALATE!
 
Ashheap said:

I am so sorry everyone, esp the Algerian people, for we have condemn them to slow death in French concentration camps.
Despite so many fellow member high on copium now, we MUST simply accept France's demands!
Good news:
  • No nuclear war, yet
  • First W for our new navy
  • Delay oil crisis
  • The US was not unhinge, formally blames us
  • Defend international brotherhood
Bad news:
  • Immediate mobilization
  • New ship design for close in fight with cannon, paid for France new ships
  • Economy in free fall
  • But also see France was stupid as well
  • End 20 yrs of international respect from not being asshats
Algeria is not yet lost.
Welp, time to move on and NOT ESCALATE!
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Nah we'll be alright. De escalate strategically if we must, pay for some ships, make some mouth noises, and then double the number of guns we send to Algeria. The resistance will be way on the upswing after France got a bloody nose like this
 
Ashheap said:
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No, we don't look like asshats, just like a loose cannon too willing to escalate. Third World actually sort of appreciates it, though, in theory, because we look like someone willing to risk stuff for them. They just would also appreciate not to get blown up.
 
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Ok, it was just brought-up that technically Ashbrook isn't in charge right now and Humphry is in charge of dealing with this mess that we have made. Mostly thanks to how the USA's government works.
 
Well everyone is on edge, and we'll probably de facto have to let France genocide north Africa. At least we showed that tangling with the Soviet navy gets you wrecked, so NATO is not going to casually tangle with Blockading soviet allies like EAF. At least, those not involved in arms smuggling to Algeria.

But the impact of mobilization alone makes this a defeat for us, as the head of the MNKh. Kiss the plan targets good-bye, especially Consumer Goods. We need to seriously consider: How much of a Cold War advantage does it give NATO to consolidate control over the resources of West and Central Africa, and would preventing them from doing so be worth crashing our economy with mobilizations and war scares every 5 years?
 
General_Urist said:
But the impact of mobilization alone makes this a defeat for us, as the head of the MNKh. Kiss the plan targets good-bye, especially Consumer Goods.
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At least it's a good excuse. "We would have met the plan targets, but then we had a big crisis where you guys called up all the workers into the army and started putting the industry on a war footing! And we didn't even have a war!"
I wonder if the practicality of those industrial mobilization plans will be reviewed at all in light of the crisis. Not much point in having them if a major world war just means everything goes nuclear before they have an impact.
 
A couple people have said we'll have to give up Algeria completely and tbh I don't see it? This will be a massive coup for resistance on optics alone, and it's not like France can actually stop us from arming them
 
Ultrackius said:
A couple people have said we'll have to give up Algeria completely and tbh I don't see it? This will be a massive coup for resistance on optics alone, and it's not like France can actually stop us from arming them
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The USA has decided that since the USSR evidently cares so much about Algeria, they've okayed the French using some of the more...extreme tactics of population control that they were leery about before.
 
Ultrackius said:
A couple people have said we'll have to give up Algeria completely and tbh I don't see it? This will be a massive coup for resistance on optics alone, and it's not like France can actually stop us from arming them
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Not giving up Algeria completely, just going to have a harder time supplying them with Arms, Munitions, and maybe Humanitarian supplies. Which along with the USA being willing to completely back France's attempt at colonizing Algeria, means it would be more difficult and expensive to make sure the Algerian Resistance is still a thing.
 
obssesednuker said:
At least it's a good excuse. "We would have met the plan targets, but then we had a big crisis where you guys called up all the workers into the army and started putting the industry on a war footing! And we didn't even have a war!"
I wonder if the practicality of those industrial mobilization plans will be reviewed at all in light of the crisis. Not much point in having them if a major world war just means everything goes nuclear before they have an impact.
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It would be a good excuse, except Klim voted for it too, so it's kind of still his fault. However, he is retiring by the end of this plan anyway, so not that much changed for him.
 
This is your mandatory reminder that Blackstar is still writing the update and has not even gotten around to the potential deals yet, as of ~12 minutes ago. Perhaps it would be better to wait until we actually have accurate information from the next update before wildly speculating about the overall outcome of this crisis.
 
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Chimeraguard said:
The USA has decided that since the USSR evidently cares so much about Algeria, they've okayed the French using some of the more...extreme tactics of population control that they were leery about before.
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Just sends more and more people into the arms of the resistance, which will be massivly emboldened by this and who we can continue to fund much easier then France can continue to suppress
 
This is a pretty bad outcome, I'd hoped we'd manage to some how squeak through despite the risks.

As for Algeria, one will have to hope that once the next government comes in, Kissinger and all they don't go particularly war hawk on us. Which would be really really bad, unlike Vietnam there is far less cover from the air. Sneaking supplies in under such circumstances would become much harder, they'd be able to isolate positions from each other completely if they become exposed and utterly wreck them. Libya might even just be done and over with in such a case as they might consider it a logical extension to secure the Western Mediterranean against the more dangerous then initially thought Soviet Navy.

If those things happened, Algeria is pretty much completely cut off, while not being all to far off of the terrain for USA forces are designed operate most effectively in. Algeria might run out of people before it could win then... Most likely the populace would break and give up in such an outcome.


So we can but hope that doesn't happen, as it could be a total loss scenario in some of the worst ways possible.
 
Yeah, Blackstar has said that Algeria will now likely be majority-Francophone within 20 years.

Once France starts moving the Algerian population into Special Villages and enacts full-scale food deprivation for Algerians not in them.
 
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