Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Well, at least we didn't armed Gaddafi with those rolls, that would have been worst
If we armed Gadaffi instead of sending in our fleet, instead of sunken French military vessels we would have sunken civilan ocean liners that Gadaffi tought were French ships, knowing our luck and how insane Gadaffi is, ocean liners filled with american diplomats, orphaned children and nuns.

not THAT would have been a crisis to see lol.
 
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Anyway... France is having trouble with their navy right now... So even if we back down now...

Will they be able to renew the blockade? And will they even try it again, given what a fiasco it was the first time.
They can probably Blockade Libya with a couple of destroyers, given they'll surely consider any Soviet cargo ship within 100 nautical miles to be open season after this. But if enough of the navy is gone then their ability to blockade the entire rest of Africa at the same time is reduced. Assuming we're not forced to abandon all arms shipments as price for de-escalation.

Anyway what surprises me most, aside from our Admiral's stupidity, is that Ashbrook is not backing France to the hilt despite our obvious aggression.
 
BTW how bad is France's lack of missile armament? Were they sending their WW2 battlecruisers against us?
France scrapped all their battleships already (although apparently the Béarn is still around as an ASW carrier), but it turns out that we were the ones rolling at -30 because shockingly guns are actually useful when the respective fleets are starting the engagement at knife fighting ranges (because we were trying to physically force our way through the blockade). Luckily the French rolled a nat 1, so we blew them out of the water anyways.
 
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It didn't work, the French are more dedicated to the destruction of Algeria than ever and have gotten the US to ban weapon shipments in the Med. We can't help the Algerians now. And with US funding and supplies, Francafrique might survive.
Shrimply keep doing it, simple

I'm fine with paying for the boats or what not but when it comes to Algeria I think this is a great opportunity. Keep sending weapons, send more weapons, and they'll probably be encouraged by seeing France get this massive slap in the face
 
Anyway what surprises me most, aside from our Admiral's stupidity, is that Ashbrook is not backing France to the hilt despite our obvious aggression.
For all that he is a commited anti communist hawk, presumably he likes living. And for all his faults he is not as cavalier about nuclear war than Goldwater. We are very very lucky Ashbrook was Prez and not him.
 
Ugh, let's just ignore the tankie who had the (mis)fortune of rejoining the quest right as the USSR and France are going to war.
It's probably because their readings on our fleet power are, apparently, completely wrong.
What do you mean? America misreading things as the Red Navy becoming the deadliest force on the sea and begging France to wait 5 years until they have ten more Nimitz-class carriers?
Lolwut? Assuming the date is a mis print, you saying Germany flipping was the price of peace?
 
For all that he is a commited anti communist hawk, presumably he likes living. And for all his faults he is not as cavalier about nuclear war than Goldwater. We are very very lucky Ashbrook was Prez and not him.
If he is smart then he is working on a means to apply diplomatic pressure to the USSR for their act of aggression. While also building up some emergency fallout shelters in the US.
 
Ugh, let's just ignore the tankie who had the (mis)fortune of rejoining the quest right as the USSR and France are going to war.

What do you mean? America misreading things as the Red Navy becoming the deadliest force on the sea and begging France to wait 5 years until they have ten more Nimitz-class carriers?

Lolwut? Assuming the date is a mis print, you saying Germany flipping was the price of peace?
Not a tankie! Don't like Stalin or the historical Soviets very much. Just committed to a hawkish foreign policy based on both ideology and practicality

Edit: never understood the term tbh, it was about Khruschevites, then Stalinists, now "communist I dislike" as far as I can tell
 
If he is smart then he is working on a means to apply diplomatic pressure to the USSR for their act of aggression. While also building up some emergency fallout shelters in the US.
Fallout shelters do very little to prevent the collapse of American industrial society unfortunately. If anything the smart move on his part is applying pressure on the French not to do anything drastic whilst trying to mediate. Obviously they will try to make us lose face in the meanwhile, but the Americans don't actually want this to escalate even further.
 
Not a tankie! Don't like Stalin or the historical Soviets very much. Just committed to a hawkish foreign policy based on both ideology and practicality

Edit: never understood the term tbh, it was about Khruschevites, then Stalinists, now "communist I dislike" as far as I can tell
Huh. Could have sworn that you expressed support for Stalin before.
 
I figure we can probably resolve this with some horse trading. Yeah, we'll have to give some concessions to the French, but maybe we can also get some as well.
 
In my opinion this whole incident has been a stunning success. We simply need to catch France off guard with an IMMEDIATE thermonuclear strike and victory for international socialism will be assured!

Road-Warrior Klim shall ride the Fury Road to Washington itself.
 
What do you mean? America misreading things as the Red Navy becoming the deadliest force on the sea and begging France to wait 5 years until they have ten more Nimitz-class carriers?

Not the deadliest, but a serious rival to all the Western navies, especially if they consider the difference in the amout of water that they would actually need to patrol to have naval dominance compared to us just contesting them.

Obviously, this would just be an overreaction.
 
Algeria might be more fucked but the rest of the France colonies seeing how fucked the French navy got will just be more energized to start or fight harder?
 
Huh. Could have sworn that you expressed support for Stalin before.
No, I've never liked him I just underdyand whh some of his many errrors were made. With the failure of the German revolution something was going to give, and Stalin decided it should be international socialism instead of Soviet power. In terms of internal stuff instead of foreign policy (my main line of opposition) I'm pro collectivization and industrialization, but aside from that he wasn't great and of the good things he did he fucked them up pretty bad

I guess I'm kinda neutral? Maybe a reversal of Mao's position. 70% bad, 30% good. But I get why he did some of his major fuckups and his wins were much more along the lines of "prevent an even worse policy by implementing a really bad one"


Tbh part of why I'm so hawkish is a desperation to stave off anything approaching the situation that caused siege socialism (an inherent failure) ever again

Edit: back on topic I think this will really emboldens the Algerian resistance, so we have to be sure to keep up the support
 
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Anyways, not much to do now but wait for the crisis turn to come up. Above all, I really hope that we actually WILL have the ability to deescalate if we play our cards right and that it's not just a storytelling formality before the quest ends in strategic nukes.
 
Anyways, not much to do now but wait for the crisis turn to come up. Above all, I really hope that we actually WILL have the ability to deescalate if we play our cards right and that it's not just a storytelling formality before the quest ends in strategic nukes.
Pay for the ships and families and say sorry for the escalation and other stuff, can't really undo that there navy got fucked hard and everyone saw though.
 
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