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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Hmm, at this point, the top four seem to be more-or-less locked in (especially the Black Water Canal and Tzar Boris Bokha), but Druchii Diplomats (67; it says 64 but that's because a few people voted with a typo) is closing in on Nordland (71) for fifth place, with Middenland (63) maybe having a chance if a bunch of people go for it some time down the line. Everything else seems hopeless at this point barring a miracle or something.

Adhoc vote count started by StormySky on Oct 22, 2023 at 3:35 PM, finished with 603 posts and 183 votes.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
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@Briefvoice I suggested the action because Mathilde's high piety score came in clutch when she rolled low when faced with chaos bullshit [chalice], and as such I want Eike to have a good piety score.

My hope for this action is that Eike will go and make her piety number bigger without Mathilde interfering in the specifics of how she goes about that.
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Eike has the following trait:
In Awe of Mathilde: Every story Eike grew up hearing about Mathilde has convinced her to make the most of the opportunity to learn from her directly. This will be replaced by one of Mathilde's traits at some point during her Apprenticeship.
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I have it in my head - either from misremembering this or accurately interpreting some other text and then forgetting where it was - that the negative flipside of this trait is the risk that some stuff Mathilde does not point Eike towards might be viewed with lesser importance by Eike.

So I felt it worthwhile to have some sort of normal turn action where Mathilde directly helps Eike increase her piety score or at least a Social turn action where it is communicated to Eike that even if Mathilde won't directly help Eike with this, that it is still very important for Eike to make her piety number go up.
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For the 'Riverine - Hedgewise' bit would you mind adding in 'the enchanted pebbles and any replacements have to be carved by a Hedgewise' or something to that effect please, as I think the political aspects of that fact are worth considering when evaluating the different leyline options.

[I should probably look for Boney's post on that to check what Hedgewise groups can carve pebbles, but I'd rather raise this point messily than forget to make it at all, srry]
 
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StormySky said:
Hmm, at this point, the top four seem to be more-or-less locked in (especially the Black Water Canal and Tzar Boris Bokha), but Druchii Diplomats (67; it says 64 but that's because a few people voted with a typo) is closing in on Nordland (71) for fifth place, with Middenland (63) maybe having a chance if a bunch of people go for it some time down the line. Everything else seems hopeless at this point barring a miracle or something.
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Niedzwenka got added late and thus also still has a chance, I think, as people shift their votes upon finding out she's an option.
 
Thanks to Nerdasaurs Rex for this. Really helpful. My preferred plug and play choices:
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Stone Flower
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Sounds like something that whatever House we flogged production rights off to can easily handle.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Carving
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Duh.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Runes
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Gives the dwarves a clear stake in producing the Waystones, fostering some level of cooperation with the Wood Elves and without the risk of the runic capstone variant.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Orbital Enchantment
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Easy enough to task a bunch of low-level wizards/Damsels/Witches to producing and, again, getting more people with the investment of 'it's my job' in making Waystones.
 
[X] Eike
[X] Swordplay
[X] Niedzwenka
[X] Middenland
[X] Nordland
[X] The Black Water Cana
[X] Eonir Tourism
[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
[X] Skull River Ambush
[X] Kalishiniviks
 
[X] Druchii Diplomats
I am going for the druichi because I firmly believe the Asur are coming either these turn or next. Telic has found the milk and sent letter to a lot of angry elves.
 
Nurgle said:
[X] Druchii Diplomats
I am going for the druichi because I firmly believe the Asur are coming either these turn or next. Telic has found the milk and sent letter to a lot of angry elves.
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And when that happen I would rather be able to tell the angry elves 'no we did not try to engage with your hereditary enemies for profit'. It seems unlikely that even if the Druchi are minded to give us something and we would be willing to trust them enough to trade we could do so in time and enough to be worth the pissed off Asur.
 
BeepSmile said:
For the 'Riverine - Hedgewise' bit would you mind adding in 'the enchanted pebbles and any replacements have to be carved by a Hedgewise' or something to that effect please, as I think the political aspects of that fact are worth considering when evaluating the different leyline options.
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I couldn't find anything that suggested that the pebbles had to be carved by a Hedgewise. Here's the relevant passage:

Boney said:
The Hedgewise contribution is a leather pouch full of river stones with various patterns of dots carved into them, to be piled up on the site and a salmon or trout killed atop the pile every week.
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I think it can be made by anyone—certainly the fish ritual can be performed by anyone, hence suggestions to rope in the riverwardens to add it to their patrols.

You might be thinking of the Hedgewise tributary, which needs to be performed by a Halathian priest.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I think it can be made by anyone—certainly the fish ritual can be performed by anyone, hence suggestions to rope in the riverwardens to add it to their patrols.

You might be thinking of the Hedgewise tributary, which needs to be performed by a Halathian priest.
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Nah, I'm fully confident that Boney said it in a small threadpost outside of the turns that initial pebbles and any replacements had to be carved by a Hedgewise - I have a clear memory of discussing that topic- but I've no idea what the actual wording might be for searching purposes, sorry.
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Here it is:
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Thank you.
 
DragonParadox said:
And when that happen I would rather be able to tell the angry elves 'no we did not try to engage with your hereditary enemies for profit'. It seems unlikely that even if the Druchi are minded to give us something and we would be willing to trust them enough to trade we could do so in time and enough to be worth the pissed off Asur.
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Basically the only deal that seems 100% guaranteed to go through is the "bribe for warnings about shithead corsairs" deal and if even "yeah we took advantage of fault lines in the Druchii to screw over the Druchii that are even worse than regular Druchii" is enough to piss off the Asur then Fuck The Asur. To clarify, I don't that WILL be enough to piss off the Asur. But if it is, so be it.
 
reignonyrparade said:
Basically the only deal that seems 100% guaranteed to go through is the "bribe for warnings about shithead corsairs" deal and if even "yeah we took advantage of fault lines in the Druchii to screw over the Druchii that are even worse than regular Druchii" is enough to piss off the Asur then Fuck The Asur. To clarify, I don't that WILL be enough to piss off the Asur. But if it is, so be it.
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I mean the base assumption here is that we are competent in dealing with the Druchi such that this is all that would happen. I do not think all Asur will believe that and to be fair to them... why would they? The Empire has the least contact with the Druchi of all the human realms of the old world, they do not know what said dark elves are capable of on a diplomatic front .
 
reignonyrparade said:
Basically the only deal that seems 100% guaranteed to go through is the "bribe for warnings about shithead corsairs" deal and if even "yeah we took advantage of fault lines in the Druchii to screw over the Druchii that are even worse than regular Druchii" is enough to piss off the Asur then Fuck The Asur. To clarify, I don't that WILL be enough to piss off the Asur. But if it is, so be it.
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The Asur would probably press for them to get handed that information honestly. And frankly, they're better situated than the Empire is to use it.
 
Briefvoice said:
Not sure why the Eike vote is so popular. It seems kind of out of nowhere to be honest. Was there a reason the thread wants to poke at her about gods, or is it just "we always like to do Eike social actions" and this one was available?

Poking at someone's religion is kind of a sensitive topic, even if it might be written so that Eike brings it up with Mathilde.
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It's an important action, we do always like to do Eike social actions, and sensitive doesn't mean it should never be talked about.

Sparsebeard said:
I'm more curious why the Drucchi diplomats are so popular, we already poked at them once and mostly know their proposals.
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One of them is funny and Mathilde finds the other two attractive, which makes it very fun to talk to them. Social votes are first and foremost about having fun and building relationships, not securing in-game advantages.
 
DragonParadox said:
I mean the base assumption here is that we are competent in dealing with the Druchi such that this is all that would happen. I do not think all Asur will believe that and to be fair to them... why would they? The Empire has the least contact with the Druchi of all the human realms of the old world, they do not know what said dark elves are capable of on a diplomatic front .
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The Empire has been fed Asur propaganda about how backstabbing and untrustworthy the Druchii are for centuries. One of our colleagues is actually famous for playing the noble families off one another until it resulted in open violence. We're not going to be taken unaware. We have the skills and knowledge and literal Divine Favour to go toe to toe with them on the diplomatic field.

And as I've pointed out multiple times, there is no profit in these three specific Druchii, who are in Laurelorn right now, in betraying the Empire. They have nothing to gain from it, and an awful lot to lose from it. They are here to win trade deals, knowledge exchanges, and alliances, to empower their patrons back home. They will return covered in wealth and glory, or return to disgrace—and they can't get that wealth and glory by screwing us over, because they don't have the leverage for it.

Maybe I'm missing something, and if so, please walk me through it. We enter negotiations with the Druchii, with the intent to swindle them, but they pull off the double cross first—how do they meaningfully betray and hurt us?
 
WestOrEast said:
Sounds like something that whatever House we flogged production rights off to can easily handle.
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Yeah here's hoping that Tinnomiel does not insist on having a hand in potentially every part. And that the dwarfen purely mechanical/non magical solution doesn't cause any theological tizzies since we did technically allow them to turn Waystones into discrete shrines to their goddess of casting with the winds.
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
The Empire has been fed Asur propaganda about how backstabbing and untrustworthy the Druchii are for centuries
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Have they? Like, genuinely, I'm not sure how much the Asur have bothered to talk to the Empire about the Druchii. Why would they? They don't want the Empire's help, and while one could argue warning them off the Druchii would be worth it, the Druchii have been raiding the Old World for millennia, so the Asur hardly need to tell the Empire about how they're a bunch of slaving pirates. The Empire already knows.
 
The idea that religion is something super private and personal and should never be discussed with anyone feels pretty toxic honestly. Religion is a really important part of people's lives, even if the modern day pushes back against it more and more. It can be *uncomfortable*, sure, but that's because people have strong opinions and its a topic that matters to them.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
Have they? Like, genuinely, I'm not sure how much the Asur have bothered to talk to the Empire about the Druchii. Why would they? They don't want the Empire's help, and while one could argue warning them off the Druchii would be worth it, the Druchii have been raiding the Old World for millennia, so the Asur hardly need to tell the Empire about how they're a bunch of slaving pirates. The Empire already knows.
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Well, Mathilde seems to have a lot of general knowledge about the Druchii, up to recognising Malekith's portrait on a gold coin. It seems likely that there has been a lot of exchange of knowledge about the Druchii between Ulthuan and the Old World to me—I honestly can't see why they would keep it a secret, especially considering what happened the last time the Asur tried to keep it a secret.
 
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