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1) Kill tzar in a mundane manner
2) Give kislev a vampire skull from the Lahmian conspiracy a few months later
3) Accuse the (dead) vampire of killing the tzar and claim her death
4) Profit?
 
1) Kill tzar in a mundane manner
2) Give kislev a vampire skull from the Lahmian conspiracy a few months later
3) Accuse the (dead) vampire of killing the tzar and claim her death
4) Profit?
At least half of the point of blaming vampires is to get rid of the Kalashiniviks. Look at context, not just the request itself.
 
It's literally not as asked though. Boris said no evidence, then his next sentence immediately asked for evidence of Lahmians, specifically really subtel evidence of Lahmians. So yes, it is failing. It's 100% accepting failure. It's a complete lack of understanding about requirements.

Seems like you missed the separating clause.

Or, to put it another way, an A- is a passing grade, not a failure. And tbh, given we don't know what evidence would actually indicate 'lahmian' in the eyes of whomever is doing the investigating, it might be better to leave them nothing and let them speculate rather than leaving the wrong evidence.

If there was no evidence of Lahmians, do you think it would be as much of a failure as a public spectacle that did implicate Lahmians? Because that's a more egregious failure by the requirements as stated.



Right. So clearly people on Mathilde's level actually perform assassinations of heads of state far less often than "once a decade".

That seems... perfectly congruent with both the OOC setting and with Mathilde's lived experience. I don't see how that requires an "unknown factor".

I suppose it could be read as meaning that the number of assassins is quite low, if one thinks that you actually need to do assassinations in order to be an assassin.

If Mathilde did it once in 40 years and that is considered a baseline for frequency, then most assassins will die of old age before ever assassinating anyone. Maybe twice if we count that noble woman in her bed?

That's an enormous amount of training and money going into producing people with a skill set that almost never gets used. Might as well make all grey magic users messengers instead of assassins, you'd get a lot more use out of them.

just means don't implicate him or yourself in vladimir's death

That's your interpretation of what he said, not what he actually said, and others interpret it differently.

if Boris never approached her about this?

She'd have still assassinated that noble woman in her bed.
 
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Might as well make all grey magic users messengers instead of assassins, you'd get a lot more use out of them.
They did. Grey's are noted to be good diplomats.

The Skaven portion of the Assassin Population is almost certainly quite busy, but they're mainly killing Skaven.

This is not even close to Mathilde's first assassination, it's just that the rest of them were mostly Warbosses and such.
 
If Mathilde did it once in 40 years and that is considered a baseline for frequency, then most assassins will die of old age before ever assassinating anyone.
Human assasins. Not quite true for elven assasins or vampire assasins.

Skaven assasins, meanwhile, perform assasinations quite often, it is just that they have no interest in assasinating the Tzar.
 
I suppose it could be read as meaning that the number of assassins is quite low, if one thinks that you actually need to do assassinations in order to be an assassin.

If Mathilde did it once in 40 years and that is considered a baseline for frequency, then most assassins will die of old age before ever assassinating anyone. Maybe twice if we count that noble woman in her bed?

That's an enormous amount of training and money going into producing people with a skill set that almost never gets used. Might as well make all grey magic users messengers instead of assassins, you'd get a lot more use out of them.
Well the number is very low if you're only counting heads of state, most assassinations will happen to people a couple levels down. like Count von Stolpe for another example.
 
Curious about the Skaven. My impression was that eshin was geographically separate from the other clans, and that they have the assassin tradition. Also, as far as I can tell, the internal structure least friendly to constant backstabbing.

But it would be much harder to get an eshin assassin than do the backstab yourself, or set up a disaster that catches them but not you.

So I'm wondering how eshin gets contracts. Are there like storefronts that they maintain in other clans' cities? Do the assassins go around in disguise just listening for some rat to say something and then corner them in dark alleys to make an offer?

How much is an assassin contract, in terms of moulder warbeasts or skyre weaponry?

Internal economics of large groups of assassins are weird.

Well the number is very low if you're only counting heads of state, most assassinations will happen to people a couple levels down. like Count von Stolpe for another example.

And since the number of people qualified to assassinate those sorts is much larger than the set that can do heads of state, I don't know if the turnover problem actually changes.
 
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Curious about the Skaven. My impression was that eshin was geographically separate from the other clans, and that they have the assassin tradition. Also, as far as I can tell, the internal structure least friendly to constant backstabbing.

But it would be much harder to get an eshin assassin than do the backstab yourself, or set up a disaster that catches them but not you.

So I'm wondering how eshin gets contracts. Are there like storefronts that they maintain in other clans' cities? Do the assassins go around in disguise just listening for some rat to say something and then corner them in dark alleys to make an offer?

How much is an assassin contract, in terms of moulder warbeasts or skyre weaponry?

Internal economics of large groups of assassins are weird.



And since the number of people qualified to assassinate those sorts is much larger than the set that can do heads of state, I don't know if the turnover problem actually changes.
Eshin (and every other clan) live in Skavenblight. One can assume that they can be contacted there.
 
Well by quantity, I think most of her assassinations are actually human- there were a lot of necromancers in training in the Black College and Mathilde killed them all.
Although by that standard, Mathilde also killed a lot of Mors skaven in the Trenches during the battle of the caldera, so they might be on top.
 
You know. This makes me wonder how often Gods need to be considered in a normal assasination of head of state. I cant' imagine the Horned Rat would be very happy if Mathilde started to assasinate Skavenblight leaders.

And how, even in this case Vladimir kinda messed up. Boris is the one who's generally considered the resurgence of the cults, as well as favored by the Gods. Mathilde spesifically in this case, is probaly looked rather favorable upon by the widow etc due to her own actions with the grail.

It's kinda morbidly facinating, just how easy Vladimir made it to be killed. If it wasn't for the fact that he isn't that great of a leader, meaning that most of the typical people whom assassinate want him to live, i can't imagine he would have survived for long.
 
Although by that standard, Mathilde also killed a lot of Mors skaven in the Trenches during the battle of the caldera, so they might be on top.
I feel more comfortable calling the Black College assassinations than the Mors Skaven.

Like, it feels different- Mors were expecting a battle, they were mustered up and thought they were ready, most of the Necromancers had no idea there was anything to fear at all and were just going about their business.
 
I suspect the "every book published" is going to have a number of asterisks to define what "published" means.
Because i don't think every book ever published even exists today, unless you make some clear definitions for "book" and "published".
 
I suspect the "every book published" is going to have a number of asterisks to define what "published" means.
Because i don't think every book ever published even exists today, unless you make some clear definitions for "book" and "published".
Everything (newspaper, book, pamphlet, whatever) published in the UK since about 1610.
 
I suspect the "every book published" is going to have a number of asterisks to define what "published" means.
Because i don't think every book ever published even exists today, unless you make some clear definitions for "book" and "published".

If you watch the video, you'll see that they actually talk about this, and how they legitimately do try to back up as many random blog posts or whatever as they can too, so long as they were digitally published in Britain.
 
If Mathilde did it once in 40 years and that is considered a baseline for frequency, then most assassins will die of old age before ever assassinating anyone. Maybe twice if we count that noble woman in her bed?

That's an enormous amount of training and money going into producing people with a skill set that almost never gets used. Might as well make all grey magic users messengers instead of assassins, you'd get a lot more use out of them
Once in 40 years for us to specifically assasinate a head of state is pretty good. Across the whole of the old world there's what, 5 heads of state to actually assasinate? You also have to remember that most heads of state have some serious magical protection, with this guy only being a trivial target for someone of our not inconsiderable skill because he explicitly rejected it.

Also, most assassination targets are non human, vampires, war bosses, important skaven leaders, goblin leaders, powerful ogres, etc. the majority of high tier assassins in the setting have near to no interest in assassinating a human head of state unless they directly get in the way, like Mandred the skavenslayer.

High tier assassins probably could kill the heads of state, but they have no motivation to. Because that's what's important in an assasination, motive. Why would a highly trained eshin assasin care about the head of state of a human country when there's over a hundred skaven that would be easier to kill and give greater benefits with less scrutiny.

The reason greys are often assassins is because of the lower tiers of nobility, not the emperor.
 
If there was no evidence of Lahmians, do you think it would be as much of a failure as a public spectacle that did implicate Lahmians? Because that's a more egregious failure by the requirements as stated.
I think it would, actually. What Boris asks for is not a quiet assassination in itself, he wants the death to happen in such a way people would think "Lahmians" if pointed to. A quiet murder fits, but a even a loud murder that implicates the Lahmians works better.
 
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