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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Why are some people thinking that Vladimir is a Choas cultist? Because he likes to fight, hate magic users (who try to be the power behind the throne) and dislike ruling?
 
This is a bit preemptive, but since the vote seems pretty one-sided, I'll chip in my thoughts on how to do the deed.

Asphyxiation. Mockery of Death + simply cut off his air supply. He probably sleeps alone. It'd be quiet, clean, and it might even be thought of as a death by heart attack or something.

K von Carstein said:
Why are some people thinking that Vladimir is a Choas cultist? Because he likes to fight, hate magic users (who try to be the power behind the throne) and dislike ruling?
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To be a bit uncharitable, I think people are trying to work themselves up to the deed, and seeing what we know about him in the most uncharitable light.
 
Abhorsen said:
Anyway, if Boris is anti-Order forces (Vamps, Chaos, etc), we kill him instead. We still tell him yes though.
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What evidence do we have for Boris being anti order, and again our conclusions that Boris is a decent guy in character come from meeting him in character.

We have on a few occasions now where he has portrayed a fairly consistent characterization as competent, effective and determined. He has given no reason to doubt this, even now he's demonstrated a huge amount of control by essentially showing that he has vast authority over what should be the single largest rival to the Bokha dynasty.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
I am also in favor of using Skaven weapons to assasinate Vladimir.

How else could we kill him in an easly deniable way?

Maybe we could lead him into the ambush of a Beastmen Warherd or find a Chaos Cultist and have him do the dirty work for us. Or we could use poison, that is a classic for a reason.
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There is a thought we could sabotage one of his regular hunting trips by using magic to fuck with him at a critical moment, causing him to fail a dodge and get gored to death, or otherwise use the chaos to snipe him in a way that would simply get blamed on whatever he was fighting. Canonically he apparently died to Goblins so it's entirely reasonable a fate.

Another method is to simply silently suffocate him with magic that won't leave a mark after using mockery of death to keep him still. It will just look like he died of natural causes.

K von Carstein said:
Why are some people thinking that Vladimir is a Choas cultist? Because he likes to fight, hate magic users (who try to be the power behind the throne) and dislike ruling?
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No one actually thinks he probably is, just people are wary that killing him seems "too easy" so they are looking for reasons why it might be more difficult than expected, despite the distinct lack of magical guards.
 
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Byzantine said:
There is a thought we could sabotage one of his regular hunting trips by using magic to fuck with him at a critical moment, causing him to fail a dodge and get gored to death, or otherwise use the chaos to snipe him in a way that would simply get blamed on whatever he was fighting. Canonically he apparently died to Goblins so it's entirely reasonable a fate.
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So pull a Robert Baratheon on him?
 
[X] Yes

Should also thank @Boney for the update since I didn't do that yet. Great work, always love the tense updates and difficult decisions you present to us. Can't wait to see what you have in store for us, regardless of outcome. I'm here for the ride.
 
Abhorsen said:
That's nice and all, but no where near enough to tell if he's a secret tzeentchist. Greys don't trust people on 3 meetings. Or we will completely screw up. More paranoia is needed.
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What is more reasonable, that he's a hidden chaos cultist or that he's remaining consistent with all our previous experiences with him and is having his plan forced by circumstances beyond his control?

We have had no indication that he's a chaos cultist IC, and if he somehow is one then he's so effectively fooled Mathilde that we have no means of knowing it.

If he's a chaos cultist then the emperor might be one. After all supposedly he was being puppeted by his wife, but well clearly that was just a gambit and he was pupetting her! We've only met him twice, that's once less than Boris.

Sigh...sorry, point is its a fallacy. Sure we can't disprove that he isn't a chaos cultist/vampire/worshipper of the horned rat/any other proscribed thing you can imagine.

But is it more likely that he's one of those or is it more likely that he's what he's seemed to be. Cause again, Mathilde would have to be really bad to have not noticed anything during any of our meetings with him.
 
I think just Bewilder him while he's on a hunting trip is probably the cleanest solution. Rile up the wildlife so there's more bears than normal or whatever for added insurance.
 
We can probably use mockery of substance to move and strategically position some trolls around him, and then wake them up to attack him

We certaily can get him killed by wildlife easy enough
 
Abhorsen said:
That's nice and all, but no where near enough to tell if he's a secret tzeentchist. Greys don't trust people on 3 meetings. Or we will completely screw up. More paranoia is needed.
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Honestly I'm fairly sure he's on the level, that said I do think doing our due diligence and making sure he's not being influenced by something is a good idea.

It's still best to agree and make him think we're on his side either way though. If we agree he would probably let his guard down around us more if he's somehow corrupted.
 
Reasons to rid Boris of this meddlesome Tzar-

  • It'll almost certainly result in a more prepared Kislev for the incoming Everchosen, and a more prepared Kislev is great news for the next country on the executioner's block if they fall
  • More training for infiltration skill
  • Boris seems like a better leader from pretty much any available perspective, from the Empire to Mathilde to Kislev itself
  • Assassinating a head of state is a rite of passage for all terrifying magical assassins
  • Guaranteed 100% ride or die support for the Waystone project, Boris is all in on this
  • More training for Assassination skill
  • Assassinating a head of state looks great on your resume
  • Avoid a possible Kislev civil war
  • Assassinating a head of state sounds really cool and fun and when are we gonna get another chance, really?
  • I bet Eshin-friend has assassinated a head of state, are we gonna let him outdo us?
  • Regimand has definitely assassinated the wife of a head of state, and all students must surpass the master
  • Ranald would be entertained
  • We get to add yet another possible reason to eventually become Lady Magister Grey, and we must collect them all
  • Eike is proving absurdly talented, we need to up our game to not get surpassed
  • Possible BOOK
  • Increased support for magical traditions is a net good from the position of not wanting to get burned at the stake
  • Boris is cool
 
Doomed Wombat said:
What is more reasonable, that he's a hidden chaos cultist or that he's remaining consistent with all our previous experiences with him and is having his plan forced by circumstances beyond his control?

We have had no indication that he's a chaos cultist IC, and if he somehow is one then he's so effectively fooled Mathilde that we have no means of knowing it.

If he's a chaos cultist then the emperor might be one. After all supposedly he was being puppeted by his wife, but well clearly that was just a gambit and he was pupetting her! We've only met him twice, that's once less than Boris.

Sigh...sorry, point is its a fallacy. Sure we can't disprove that he isn't a chaos cultist/vampire/worshipper of the horned rat/any other proscribed thing you can imagine.

But is it more likely that he's one of those or is it more likely that he's what he's seemed to be. Cause again, Mathilde would have to be really bad to have not noticed anything during any of our meetings with him.
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I just assume anybody we meet is the Changeling in disguise or secretely a Cultist, that is the only amount of paranoia that is proper for a true Grey Wizard.
 
Thebigpieman said:
Unless he has some other trustworthy assassin in his back pocket, Mathilde declining would mean he'd have to find one he can trust and not one that would betray him to his father. He would also have to find one competent enough to not plunge the nation into Civil War regardless of if they succeed or not. Boris does not want a Civil War for all he might be willing to fight one as that would weaken Kislev against Chaos.
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Hey, you beat me to this comment while I was catching up!

Yeah, we're being played a little. I'm on board, and civil war is hardly an unlikely outcome, but Boris is deliberately ominous with his "worse way." There are intermediate steps, such as assassins of the non-invisible-teleporting variety, that it does not suit him to focus on during this conversation.

Not that it matters, I also want this done right.

[X] Yes
 
[x] Yes

Abhorsen said:
That's nice and all, but no where near enough to tell if he's a secret tzeentchist. Greys don't trust people on 3 meetings. Or we will completely screw up. More paranoia is needed.
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But how can Boris be the Changeling when Vlad is clearly the Changeling, weakening Kislev's defenses against Chaos behind a veneer of mediocrity?
 
Man, this is all really making me wish I could see a world where kislev hosted the project. Sure, we'd have less elf support but getting kislev priest support and Boris strong arming local elves into helping sounds interesting as hell too.
 
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