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Mathilde can get infiltrate past non-magical defenses extremely reliably, and the Tzar has openly spurned his country's magical institution.

I still think he's Khornate cultist though.

If humanity needed the active influence of Khorne to be a combat junkie that hates magic, Khorne wouldn't have formed in the first place. I think he's just a bad leader with personal biases and a huge disinterest in the boring parts of ruling.
 
Yes, we failed to assassinate a fucking vampire and only killed what 20-30 black wizards of various levels of skill.

Truly a sign that we are a shit assassin, unless the suspicions about the Tzar also being a vampire are true.

That was also *checks notes* 8 points of Intrigue ago. We have almost half again as much Intrigue now as then.

..no it would not be subtle, for the simple reason that humans do not resist magic.

If he's magic resistant the question then becomes "why are you resistant to magic" and either he's a wizard, he's got object's protecting him or there's a god protecting him.

He can't be the first in Kislev or he'd be dead, if its the second then its easy to prove and the final one is also easy to determine which god it is.

Claiming the Gods of Kislev protect him is pretty straightforward.

There is no method of khornate-granted magic resistance that is not incredibly overt when it is in use. Khorne likes to scream his hatred of magic.

Normally yes, but he empowers even magic-using Everchosen...the whole Everchosen thing gets the Chaos Gods to bend their rules.

If humanity needed the active influence of Khorne to be a combat junkie that hates magic, Khorne wouldn't have formed in the first place. I think he's just a bad leader with personal biases and a huge disinterest in the boring parts of ruling.

For the record, I do think this is most likely, I just wouldn't dismiss the Khorne thing out of hand given the Everchosen Bowl.
 
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[X] Yes

Welp, I have given enough arguments for this so instead I will say this: it's curve balls like this why I never bother making plans for the next turn unless the previous one is done or almost done. I do not think anyone anticipated assassinating Vladimir on behalf of Boris in the next turn plan :V
 
[X] Yes

I'm voting yes, but I feel gross about it. I've heard the arguments against this, I don't think they are without merit, I'm making an 'ends justifying means' decision here and I am extremely uncomfortable about it.
 
If humanity needed the active influence of Khorne to be a combat junkie that hates magic, Khorne wouldn't have formed in the first place. I think he's just a bad leader with personal biases and a huge disinterest in the boring parts of ruling.
Also probably a lot of trauma from his mom.

Like he's almost certainly got sympathetic stuff, but the world will likely suffer for his problems.

(Assuming something weird like he's a vampire, but hey if some people can advocate for things we have no reasonable basis for I'll do a bit of my own.)

That was also *checks notes* 8 points of Intrigue ago. We have almost half again as much Intrigue now as then.
Which is an excellent sign that this will probably go very well since until proven otherwise he is a regular (albeit likely skilled) human.
Claiming the Gods of Kislev protect him is pretty straightforward.
To the best of my knowledge the gods of Kislev are currently incommunicado and not giving out blessings.

And even if they were, Mathilde who has almost been killed by Khorne, and has some of the most finely tuned divine senses of any human around can probably tell the difference between Khorne and the members of the Kislevarn pantheon.

Normally yes, but he empowers even magic-using Everchosen...the whole Everchosen thing gets the Chaos Gods to bend their rules.
He empowers the magic using ever chosen in a very overt manner. It bends the rules, it doesn't bend them that far.

[X] Yes
 
Which is an excellent sign that this will probably go very well since until proven otherwise he is a regular (albeit likely skilled) human.

That was sort of the point I was aiming for there, yeah.

To the best of my knowledge the gods of Kislev are currently incommunicado and not giving out blessings.

And even if they were, Mathilde who has almost been killed by Khorne, and has some of the most finely tuned divine senses of any human around can probably tell the difference between Khorne and the members of the Kislevarn pantheon.

Oh, Mathilde would be able to tell, I was talking about his ability to sell it to his own people and avoid his guards turning on him.

He empowers the magic using ever chosen in a very overt manner. It bends the rules, it doesn't bend them that far.

I think empowering a Wizard is bending further for Khorne than giving a fairly subtle blessing is, honestly.

[X] Yes
 
[X] Yes

There are many good arguments being made. However, getting the achievement of killing a king is a rare opportunity for us to do in a non-screwing everyone over against chaos way. Vaguely morally acceptable regicide is worth it for the shadowy reputation.
 
Eh. You've convinced me that, on paper, we should be able to do this without breaking a sweat. So I guess my concerns are somewhat mollified. Still, I find the idea of eliminating a head of state as our first assassination in... forever, when said head of state is not that bad of a dude, who is just politically inconvenient to a guy we met a couple of times and kind of like, to be something to think thrice about just on general principles. Even if we agree, we need to discuss possible alternatives with Boris first. Maybe we can bring some leverage that would avoid the whole thing? We're an LM with lots and lots of connections. The Empire is also interested in a strong Kislev. Maybe Boris would agree (and be able to push though) to something kind of mutual open borders with the Empire, so that Empire soldiers would be able to reinforce the frontline against Chaos should another war start? Maybe leverage our connections with the Dwarves in order to help Kislev create really high-quality roads so the Empire reinforcements can come very quickly? Maybe silently create some kind of points teleportation towers (don't know if this is possible in setting) so that Empire battle wizards can reinforce quickly if necessary? (Or, failing that, create an agreement with Dwarves to transport the Empire battle wizards to the frontline via gyrocopter if necessary.) Maybe we could just leverage our political influence and try to induce Vladimir to start more serious preparation for the coming war against Chaos? We should brainstorm suggestions like that, instead of just voting on a binary yes or no, IMHO. There's lots of things we could try with the existing tsar before we start thinking about assassination. If none of that works, well we at least tried? Assassination is always on the table.
 
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In 4e, a Wizard Lord's Status is Gold 2. To get average daily wage before expenses (the Earning mechanic includes expenses), take a Career's Status and triple it. You can see this in action on page 309, where, for example, the average daily wage of a Lawyer is 9 shillings, and their Status is Silver 3.
An earning endeavour takes one week. One assumes that hirelings cost more because you're adventuring, while normal work earns less (a Wizard Lord earning 6GC a day would have to spend 46GC a week to end up with 2 left after earning money in 4e, while the cost of living suggests they'd need spend just 8 (earning 1GC 5S a day)).
 
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