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Another point is that I don't think we can convince them all to stand down when both full knights are still up.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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I will point out to everyone voting to talk It out that we have 30 stoker state dice and a bunch of tricks that make us a monster even in the slugging matches that knights love,
Those being Mire Ward and Heat Shroud
Those being Mire Ward and Heat Shroud
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Is Stigulf going to be alright though?
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[X] Demand surrender (Silver-Tongue Check)
-[X] "You fought well, but not everyone needs to die today. We'll need to discuss ransoms and whatnot if you want to go home rather than taking a time out of course, but as a sign of good faith, I'll handle the resuscitation of any of those fallen from your Felag who haven't met their Fated Day once I've gotten my own side up on their feet again. As for you and your fellow Knight and Squire, you're not on the List we got of people who weren't paying your king their taxes, I know, we checked before we came here. The looting's just interest, you know? We're not here to kill everyone!"
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-[X] If that doesn't work though, fight Louis, it's not quite so fraught even if he'll be a tougher foe.
-[X] "You fought well, but not everyone needs to die today. We'll need to discuss ransoms and whatnot if you want to go home rather than taking a time out of course, but as a sign of good faith, I'll handle the resuscitation of any of those fallen from your Felag who haven't met their Fated Day once I've gotten my own side up on their feet again. As for you and your fellow Knight and Squire, you're not on the List we got of people who weren't paying your king their taxes, I know, we checked before we came here. The looting's just interest, you know? We're not here to kill everyone!"
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-[X] If that doesn't work though, fight Louis, it's not quite so fraught even if he'll be a tougher foe.
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He is 2 tiers higher than us and our kinsman is about on our level.
He'll be fine.
He seems to be also less wounded than our kinsman.
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My point is that although mercy is a valid option it's definitely not the only option,
If it came down to it we could absolutely win this fight.
If it came down to it we could absolutely win this fight.
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He could always roll a 1 while our kinsman rolls a 100...but yes, he'll likely be fine.
I mean, if they surrender we already win. Also...I'm not entirely sanguine about Farbjorn's fight, which we haven't heard anything about at all. Whoever wins that could swing things in a big way, and while my money's on Farbjorn it's not a sure thing he wins by any means.
Begin cautious is okay, but begin too cautious can cost us opportunities to gain more Orthstirr and other benefits.
Remember, Norse Cultivation rewards risk taking and power demands sacrifice.
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Yeah admittedly I'm also worried about that.
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Our Orthstirr rewards for this are already gonna be sizable. Getting more is fine, but getting out of here with zero actual True Deaths (which is probably doable for our crew if we don't take more casualties) might also come with some hefty rewards. And we have basically won at that point if we stop here...if we throw that away to keep fighting and take a loss, our Orthstirr rewards likely go down.
I'll also note that, while fighting him should help Knightslayer, talking people down should help Speaking Out Of Law, so we should probably get some progress on a Trait either way.
The chapter implied that the bulk of the fighiting is over and now only the duels of champions remain. We should not take more casualities now.
We also need to buy time for the strike team inside the castle to kill the Noble, if we start talking then they will be forced to stop unless we want to negotiate in bad faith. And that would be nid.
That is a good point, but i am not sure if the Knights count for Speaking Out of Law. Otherwise King Alfred would have counted too. And also Gabriel.
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A good question and not one that I readily know the answer to. However, I would imagine that, while it wouldn't be kinslaying, you may find yourself in a pickle regarding vengeance should one of them kill the other. Now, that vengeance can be easily solved with a paid sum to you, the injured party, but that may be difficult to acquire depending on disposition
I mean, considering how much kinslaying the real life Norse did (at least the nobles) they seemed to be kinda selective in wich kin is okay to kill and wich not.
For Germanic people in general, fighting your brothers for the inheritance seemed pretty common (always among nobles).
Maybe this guy is a distant enough relation that Halla can just shrug and say "ho well, it was a fair duel, all men must die afterall".
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Most Knights count and Alfred should as well. We got progression on it retroactively for our first 'talk a knight into surrendering'...I was assuming IF was waiting until the end of the arc to give progression on that one.
Gabriel speaks Norse with no magic involved and lived in Norse lands as thrall and then a citizen, so he wouldn't count. Ditto Jerasmus.
Can we be assumed to warn him about this before the fight starts if there is a fight?
I mean, if that was the case then Speaking Out Of Law would be pretty common for Vikings who trade outside Norse regions. Steinarr would have it too since he spent so much time far from Norse lands.
Maybe the advancment counts only for 1 type of creature at the time? Like we can't advance it by talking twice to the same type of creature.
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I mean...who says he doesn't? We have no idea how common a Trait it is. That said, we had to do something serious and high-stakes to get it in the first place (we got it for talking with the Troll and had to pick it over other options), so that might be the hard bit, with advancing it being easier. Steinarr may just have never done the first part.
We'd still get it for Alfred then, since he's a Thane.
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But also, there's an instance in the sagas were a guy gets ambushed and amongst his ambushers is some random second cousin. The guy calls out, reminds the ambusher of their family connection, and the ambusher breaks his ambush oath and leaves the fight. There's also another instance where a guy turns around and starts killing his once allies because he realized a family member was on the opposing side.
So clearly, family has importance. Inheritance may be fought over, but that doesn't make the act of kinslaying right or drengskapr. You certainly don't avoid the nid for it.
We have Steinarr character sheet and he dosen't. Unless the trait dosen't show on the character sheet we have been given.
Good point, i hope you are right.
Maybe next turns we could try to contact the Swartalf again and maybe start trading with them like we do with the dwarfs?
They could be useful allies.
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The character sheets we've been given don't show Traits at all. Abjorn's doesn't have his, nor does Gabriel's...we found out about those in other ways.
I don't think they have much to trade and we likely don't have the spare food. To say nothing of it likely annoying the dwarves.