From the way people were talking that eventually was supposed to be in one turn, but then we figured out that we do not need the Bretonians
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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From the way people were talking that eventually was supposed to be in one turn, but then we figured out that we do not need the Bretonians
I'm pretty sure mathy can sort some blank IOUs with the EIC, who would sort something out with Asur embassy(or port authority) before she heads out.
Lothern is a major port that does long sea trade of the kind of goods and quantities that no one would actually have the raw gold for.
They would have a method of credit/bond/debt taking and tracking. Because that's the only way a lot of their goods can be sold.
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I didn't plan to read about scrotal circumference today, but after I started digging into the carrying capacity of the Princessipality and digging into calf-crop harvests it was inevitable that the ball size of bulls was going to be relevant...because of course it is...and one of the key features for determining the "Bull Power" of your breeders.Yup, it's an area approximately equal to a square 40 miles on a side or a circle with a diameter of 45 miles. Here's a thread-canonical map of the Border Princes:
See those red and yellow rectangles at the bottom? Those represent 50 miles each. Greta's Princessipality is smaller than even a single one of them. The Border Princes are big.
Anyway, with a 25% cull rate (high) and the average beefer being able to feed a family of eight for a year we are looking at a potential population of 80,000 without needing major food imports.
Do you have a quote for that because otherwise it's wishful thinking...
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I think it's pretty unlikely we vote to meee with the Druuchi next turn, though I wouldn't be against it.
I'm pretty sure Mathilde gets 36% of the profits the EIC makes each turn. If their profits spike for a turn, so will Mathilde's share. If all profits were just reinvested, Mathilde wouldn't be recieving money every turn.
I'm pretty sure taking a large loan at our conveniance is at least technically against the Vow of Poverty as we would be then incentivized to... pay back the loan i.e. acquire large sums of money fast. I also think the Ithilmar action is sketchy vow wise because the Eonir are potential enemies of the empire and we would be arming them for profit. We do not really have many options other than saving to get money right now.
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To both: probably! The nexus leylines need concentration to see, and a lot of the mapping for the empire and Border Princes was asking around for what people knew in general. Besides, destroyed, captured or turned-off nexus are also possibilities, which would not have leylines leading to them but would probably have been important locations or landmarks in the past.
Araby is also distantly important for our purposes, as it's huge and probably linked to Nehekhara. A longer-term priority, but still decently relevant.
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If the EIC had an existing trade relationship with Lothern that might be true, but I'm pretty sure we'd need to build that relationship ahead of time. They won't accept random IOUs from a foreign company they do no business with.
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We could sell our magic acorn to the Eonir just to see their eyes bug out at the idea of growing their own oak of ages.
outside of the historical precedent of early transatlantic travel and how they did things? no.
Cool, this is a different world with a completely different history, if we go with current history the only trade between Asur and men of the empire is currently in Marienburg so why would the embassy in Altdorf make deals about trade in lothern...
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I don't think anyone, even mathymancer, was proposing going to Bretonnia this past turn. The soonest I saw anyone kick around a plan for the Father was T42. So even in the best-case scenario, they would have been useful in two turns rather than immediately.
I still think it's overwhelmingly likely we'll have to deal with the Bretonnians at some point, and, again, it's not like they were displacing topics we could immediately use. They were just bonuses on top of the one topic we actually needed. We've pretty much run out of Barak Varr and College topics with immediate usefulness.
I guess one-time dividend payments for an income spike due to a one-time transaction are possible? I hadn't really considered it because I would side-eye any company that did that in real life, though; one-time windfalls are the archetypal "use this to clear debts or generate continuing revenue" thing that they teach you in business 101. It's all about the income streams, and I think Wilhelmina's style is to prioritize that? I will adjust my position from "definitely not" to "I think it's unlikely," though.
That was for commercial entities with existing relationships, though. Nobody in Europe was going to accept a bank draft from a firm in the Americas they'd never heard of or worked with before.
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All profits? No, but probably a significant chunk.
Assuming they'd know what it is, that it's actually capable of that and that they want that.
There is also trade with the Asur in Lothern, which is canonically the greatest trading port in the world.
Now I could be wrong but I don't think there is trade between the empire and Asur in lothern. Mostly because Marienburg got pretty exclusive rights and blocks the passage back generally.
Also I believe we would have heard if the empire regularly sends tradeships to lothern... Or even just irregularly...
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I agree a modern company wouldn't do so, but I'm pretty sure it's how a medieval/renaissance trading company would do it? It's definitely been the reason I've been pushing for the action.
...Wait, what did everyone think I meant when I said I wanted to be rich again, and pushed for the Ithilmar action?
@Boney, would you mind clearing up if the Ithilmar windfall will be partially passed onto Mathilde, or just reinvested into the EIC immediately? I've been assuming it'd be the former.
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I just thought you were wrong about how the action worked. People are wrong in this thread all the time, myself included. It's a big quest with a lot of moving parts, and we frequently have to take our best guess about how things work.
Tangentially, the thing I'm most excited for wrt the trip to Lothern is this:
I really don't want to go until T44 -- for the reasons of "I want to tie up AV before we start an adventure arc" "I want to get as close as we can to developing a Waystone prototype before we go hang out with high elves" and "I strongly suspect that if we want to do anything in Lothern as opposed to just pass through without pause en route to Nagarythe we'll need to invest an extra AP, the way joining the Expedition at Praag required an extra AP, and having Overwork available will make that easier" -- but man I am hyped for it.
But The EIC could sort something with a firm in Aldorf that does do business with the Asur. or some Imperial bank/loun group in Lorthern who specialises in this stuff,
Mathy owes the EIC, the EIC owes someone that does business with the Asur, and that group owes the Asur. and payment tracks back the otherway.
I'm not saying its an easy thing, but there most defiantly going to be a method to take loans and track them back to individuals in the empire already in place.
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Is there such a firm? Like for real, we got repeatedly told that the only ones the Asur are doing regular business with are the marienburgers... Everyone else just doesn't.
deathofrats0808
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Marienburg doesn't have exclusive rights to Elven trade, it has exclusive rights to be the port in the Old World where Ulthuan trades. Even setting aside the fact that the Asur seem to ignore that anyway (they have a whole district in Erengrad), the treaty doesn't cover people travelling to Lothern to trade, and the Empire does have other ports. Marienburg probably slaps a hefty tarriff on bringing in goods from Lothern, but they can't really stop it. Especially as the reason Lothern is such a powerful trading port is that you can find stuff from all over the world there, which means it's hard to prove someone bought something in Lothern and not elsewhere.
Ok then why haven't we heard about this at all? And why did boney specifically tell us that if we want books from the Asur we need contacts in lothern or Marienburg. Not salkalten or altdorf, Marienburg or lothern directly.
The current evidence doesn't point towards the empire trading in lothern.
And if a trade ship lands in the empire with spice from Cathay then there's exactly two point that trade ship could have gotten it from, Barak varr or lothern. So it's not really a secret.
I mean, those are her personal books, the people of K8P deserve romance novels too! It's not embezzling if they actually end up in the library. And if Mathy copies a few of the more interesting ones for her personal collection that's her business. But there is a good point on getting access to elf and bretonnian books. Doomed arthurian romance and immortal love stories and dragon/elf romance definitely deserves a place on Mathy's shelves!
like above, Marienburger has the rights to be the only import point for the elves in the empire (well, sort of.) but people can go to them. lothern has a lot of trade from everywhere, and Ithisar'naynazythai Yn Daroth is a thing, even if its very underutilized... partly because Lustra sucks, party because i bet not a lot of people know about it.
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[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Druchii of Naggaroth, Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan, Kingdom of Nehekhara
[X] [COLLEGE] A translation of the Indic Aqshy books obtained from the Elementalists (1 CF)
[X] [COLLEGE] A translation of the Indic Aqshy books obtained from the Elementalists (1 CF)
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Altdorf hosts the Ulthuan Embassy, and the College has Asur on its staff, if not it's faculty. It's mentioned somewhere that having an elf tutor for noble children is very popular in certain circles. All that points to Ulthuan/Empire trade happening.