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I don't really get the interest in the Gold College (or the Amber one for the matter).

Almost all the other interactions look like they could give us fun plot hooks to follow or actionable information next turn (or are just about a character we like).

Meanwhile the Gold College... It just doesn't feel like it will give us such information or hooks.

We may go and the Golds may tell us they have cracked machine guns but... Why should Mathilde care? I see nothing that she could do with such information and whether she sees it or not is irrelevant to whatever the Golds will do with it.
Out of an entire more modern technology tree, I daresay Mathilde will find something more personally relevant to her than a machine gun. Several things, even.

The very first thing that comes to mind off the top of my head is farsqueakers, a.k.a. telephones.
 
let me play devil's advocate and give a possible Library of Mourning purchase, the least efficient purchase option of them all.

One thing to consider is that we're almost certain to never get permission to troop in a bunch of human and hafling scribes to copy there, so getting bonuses from there will never become more efficient (Unless we manage to make another huge windfall of personal cash). Which does mean if there's anything we'll ever want from it buying it now is just as good as ever. Personally I would probably get Beastmen as the second option to pair with Linguistics if we were to go for it this turn though.

I don't really get the interest in the Gold College (or the Amber one for the matter).

Almost all the other interactions look like they could give us fun plot hooks to follow or actionable information next turn (or are just about a character we like).

Meanwhile the Gold College... It just doesn't feel like it will give us such information or hooks.

We may go and the Golds may tell us they have cracked machine guns but... Why should Mathilde care? I see nothing that she could do with such information and whether she sees it or not is irrelevant to whatever the Golds will do with it.

Personally Both the Canal and the Gold College seem pretty much the same in terms of any sort of relevance to Mathilde's life (Which is not a whole lot directly, and a decent amount diffusely) with the exception that Mathilde has more of a personal stake in seeing if Feldmann lives up to his boasts of a quick turnaround of wonder weapons for the next war, since it was her stuff she traded.
 
I don't really get the interest in the Gold College (or the Amber one for the matter).

Almost all the other interactions look like they could give us fun plot hooks to follow or actionable information next turn (or are just about a character we like).

Meanwhile the Gold College... It just doesn't feel like it will give us such information or hooks.

We may go and the Golds may tell us they have cracked machine guns but... Why should Mathilde care? I see nothing that she could do with such information and whether she sees it or not is irrelevant to whatever the Golds will do with it.
Because I want to see the result of us stealing all of that technology.
And do we actually need new plothooks ? It's not like we don't know what to do with ap.
 
I don't really get the interest in the Gold College (or the Amber one for the matter).

Almost all the other interactions look like they could give us fun plot hooks to follow or actionable information next turn (or are just about a character we like).

Meanwhile the Gold College... It just doesn't feel like it will give us such information or hooks.

We may go and the Golds may tell us they have cracked machine guns but... Why should Mathilde care? I see nothing that she could do with such information and whether she sees it or not is irrelevant to whatever the Golds will do with it.
I've bolded the last bit, because that's the part where I disagree based on the way Boney does the quest.
All this is part of a larger GM philosophy split I've heard described as 'Cathedral vs Bazaar'. A Cathedral GM has every detail mapped out in advance, and it's huge and beautiful and static. A Bazaar GM only has what's in your immediate line of sight decided, but no matter what direction you want to go in, the GM just needs a minute or two to put up some scaffolding and fabric and extend the bazaar. But to some it feels less 'real', even if the in-game events never visibly reflect it.
Boney does Bazaar-style QMing. This means that until we go take an action to find out what the Golds have done, the Golds haven't done anything. This isn't true for everything in the quest, obviously -- there are a number of things that tick in the background regardless of whether Mathilde is around to pay attention to them, and there's things like the rumor mills we invested in that mean that Mathilde "passively" gains info about various topics without needing to spend more actions -- but it's true for a lot of things, often things that are direct repercussions of Mathilde's actions. So, for example, it's never going to be the case that the Golds figured out skaventech X without warpstone and have given it to Y unless we take this action, because until we invest the action to go look, Boney isn't going to invest the time to figure out what happened and what repercussions it has on the setting. In a very real sense, our attention dictates what's real in the sense of having consequences and what's not, to some extent.

If there's anything on the list that I expect to not be directly relevant to Mathilde's life, it's Elementalism, but that is going to be fun Boney worldbuilding and metaphysics so I am unsurprised it is doing so well.
 
Unfortunately, a social vote being just short of wining is no sure indicator that it'll do well in the next turn.
You're right. I took a look at the current arc's socials, and it's more of a coin flip than I expected.

Turn 34 Social Runner Up: Karak Azul Architects, with 78 votes to 4th place's 85. They make it in Turn 35.
Turn 35 Social Runner Up: Belegar, with 77 votes to 5th place's 89. He makes it in Turn 36.

Turn 36 Social Runner Up: Gold College, with 32 votes to 5th place's 53. Not taken yet.
Turn 37 Social Runner Up: Zlata, with 86 votes to 5th place's 88. She makes it in Turn 38.
Turn 38 Social Runner Up: Karaz-a-Karak with 82 votes to 5th place's 84. It makes it in Turn 39.

Turn 39 Social Runner Up: Wissenland with 61 votes to 5th place's 63. Not taken yet.
Turn 40 Social Runner Up: Druchii Diplomats with 88 votes to 5th place's 93. TBD, likely not taken yet.
 
Maybe? I don't really remember any indications of such, but I could have easily missed it. That feels like a lot of content for an area the Empire really has pretty little purchase in though.
Yes, Liminal Pathways are a seperate topic:
The book category would be Liminal Pathways. Includes Worldroots, Beast-Paths, Fey Paths, Walking the Hedge, and the Impossible March of the Damned Soldier. Empire, Bretonnia, Eonir, Asrai, and presumably Asur.
Those are all super interesting but I don't think any of them apply to the liminal realm study we're going to maybe do next turn, that should probably be covered by our +5 on Liminal Realms.
One thing to consider is that we're almost certain to never get permission to troop in a bunch of human and hafling scribes to copy there, so getting bonuses from there will never become more efficient (Unless we manage to make another huge windfall of personal cash). Which does mean if there's anything we'll ever want from it buying it now is just as good as ever. Personally I would probably get Beastmen as the second option to pair with Linguistics if we were to go for it this turn though.
Fair points. Actually I just thought of another possible Eonir subject, Hoeth - we wanted books on Verena and Hoeth for their library science info, and Hoeth books are possibly more useful than Verena books because they go all the way up to esoteric.
 
Yes, Liminal Pathways are a seperate topic:

Those are all super interesting but I don't think any of them apply to the liminal realm study we're going to maybe do next turn, that should probably be covered by our +5 on Liminal Realms.

Fair points. Actually I just thought of another possible Eonir subject, Hoeth - we wanted books on Verena and Hoeth for their library science info, and Hoeth books are possibly more useful than Verena books because they go all the way up to esoteric.

Only insofar as the worship of Hoeth by elves and Verena by humans has meaningful commonalities. Given the danger to humans when they worship elven gods as the elves do (witness Khaine) I do not think there will be that many

Speaking of the Library of Morning I do like the linguistics idea for the rubbings and if we are going to grab that why not also grab Old Ones, that has been conformed to be not a military subject for all it is esoteric and it is likely to be relevant to both the rubbings and maybe even the Foundation action as well.
 
Turn 39 Social Runner Up: Wissenland with 61 votes to 5th place's 63. Not taken yet.
You probably should count this one as a null result because Wissenland wasn't an option in the following turn.
[ ] Wissenland
Rumours of some sort of earthquake having struck Nuln are circulating.
That particular one was, afaict, our chance to go see the collapse of the Imperial Gunnery School for ourselves, which obviously wasn't an option the following turn because, well, it had happened and we found out about it through other channels. The current Wissenland option is very different, it's about finding out who the Spymaster is.

Anyway, things are currently neck and neck for 4th and 5th place, and Gretel in 3rd is only a few votes ahead, so she might conceivably be the one to fall into sixth. Personally, of those four I would prefer to skip the House Filuan option and do the other three -- I actually haven't had to strategically switch all vote long.

(And then Hubert can suffer in being the least-favorite Duckling because he's the only one we've never taken a social action for, which as we're seeing are the most hotly-contested votes in the quest.)
 
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Because we need our own specifically trained scribes for handling those very old and valuable tablets and scrolls, and random literate Cityborn we threw money at are not going to cut it.

We have those. That is what we are doing copying with. Now one can argue that they are not trained enough, but I did not see any option last turn to Old-One-Text Qualify the scribes. I think this is one of those things that is best asked of the GM though since it is information Mathilde has which is relevant to her projects that we the players do not. @Boney are our scribes good enough to grab Old One texts this purchase round?
 
We have those. That is what we are doing copying with. Now one can argue that they are not trained enough, but I did not see any option last turn to Old-One-Text Qualify the scribes. I think this is one of those things that is best asked of the GM though since it is information Mathilde has which is relevant to her projects that we the players do not. @Boney are our scribes good enough to grab Old One texts this purchase round?
Out scribes do not speak or read elthatrin...
 
Aren't all they doing at this point copying text? You don't need to be able to speak, let alone read, a language to do that.
 
You do not have to read something to copy it, much less speak it.
Yes you do? Especially if you want it copied correctly. If you don't know the language you do not know if spacing is important, if certain flourishes change the meaning or if that dot is intended or an ink stain...
Sending someone to copy a book they can not read is about as useful as sending someone to drive in a car race that only got explained how to drive, mistakes will be made...
 
We have those. That is what we are doing copying with. Now one can argue that they are not trained enough, but I did not see any option last turn to Old-One-Text Qualify the scribes. I think this is one of those things that is best asked of the GM though since it is information Mathilde has which is relevant to her projects that we the players do not. @Boney are our scribes good enough to grab Old One texts this purchase round?
You should rephrase your question to be more specific. Remember, our scribes aren't what we use during the purchase round. We give our scribes jobs during the regular turn as part of the Library action. The purchase round is where our library budget is used to buy from Barak Varr/hire College copyists/hire Cityborn copyists. So even if our scribe team is capable of doing copying from the Library of Mourning -- which I am pretty sure it isn't, because they don't have Eltharin as a known language and back during the scribe vote six months ago there was a lot of discussion how if you try to copy a language you're not literate in by hand you're going to get a ton of transcription errors -- it's not relevant to the question of the purchase round.
 
You should rephrase your question to be more specific. Remember, our scribes aren't what we use during the purchase round. We give our scribes jobs during the regular turn as part of the Library action. The purchase round is where our library budget is used to buy from Barak Varr/hire College copyists/hire Cityborn copyists. So even if our scribe team is capable of doing copying from the Library of Mourning -- which I am pretty sure it isn't, because they don't have Eltharin as a known language and back during the scribe vote six months ago there was a lot of discussion how if you try to copy a language you're not literate in by hand you're going to get a ton of transcription errors -- it's not relevant to the question of the purchase round.
Ohhhh, they were talking about the book buying round. Yes that's just belegar bankrolling our book needs by whatever way we choose.
 
You should rephrase your question to be more specific. Remember, our scribes aren't what we use during the purchase round. We give our scribes jobs during the regular turn as part of the Library action. The purchase round is where our library budget is used to buy from Barak Varr/hire College copyists/hire Cityborn copyists. So even if our scribe team is capable of doing copying from the Library of Mourning -- which I am pretty sure it isn't, because they don't have Eltharin as a known language and back during the scribe vote six months ago there was a lot of discussion how if you try to copy a language you're not literate in by hand you're going to get a ton of transcription errors -- it's not relevant to the question of the purchase round.

Fair point, in that case we should get the scribes to read Elathrin, this is a bigger prize than anything in the libraries we are partnered with and the sooner we get it the better in my opinion.
 
The Fey Paths are Liminal Pathways, the Haven is a Liminal Realm. Worldroots are Liminal Pathways, Dreaming Woods are Liminal Realms. Beastpaths are Liminal Pathways, the Heart of the Dark is a Liminal Realm. If you want to get really provocative, you could theorize that the Grey Vaults are a Liminal Pathway, while Morr's Realm is a Liminal Realm.
 
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