My issue was putting us against orcs and trolls. I still don't like giving Aliden for Balnazzar to puppet, but it's an easier pill to swallow, and the Syndicate is on our way to where the Blackrock ruins should be located anyway.
With the orcs I expect some negotiation to take place just like in Hammerfall.
It seemed to work out well. Not sure on the second try.
Saiden Dathrohan is canonically pretty racist, he's one of the reasons the Crusade was so exclusionary. In this quest though for some reason Dathrohan doesn't seem to care as much about race. Weird that. It's it nice of
Claims are very complicated. There's an argument to be made that they have no claims whatsoever, because they're mostly invading genociders. However, the Horde do have some claim to teh Forsaken and Troll claims. The Alliance would acknoledge that certain parts of EK are 'Amani lands' etc.
Maybe, but Grok is convenient and effective. A human force wouldn't be as much. While it's inconvenient for Dathrohan to have to guard his supply lines as much, he might prefer to do that rather than send an ineffective captain. Ideally he wants everyone working together to
Most of Lordaeron is, save for a few scourge holdouts which are difficult to dislodge. Those are seiged and picketted though and will fall eventually. The Undercity is a flooded ruin, so there's not much to control really there, the Forsaken are all gone, so I suppose in the absence of anyone else, sure the Crusade are in control
I mean people did choose the most alliance heavy option. But I also do want to enable people to choose different things. Grok isn't really personally involved in any of this so he can decide to go when he likes
Indeed this may be so. Circumstances may force a confrontation anyway ,which may be disadvantageous etc.
CARDIO BEATS CHAOS
That's why a better reason to decline than out of dislike of the alliance is don't trust Danrothan. It's a better reason because he has been quite busy being manipulative.
Naturally. Quite a problem in the anglo saxon of the claim.
Fair. Good case to be made when a trusted orc can solve things faster.
I don't get it.
It's not like this is Grok'maw dropping a disstrack on them and kicking everyone he comes across as he walks out. It's just "I see your point but I have other priorities for now."
He could but he needs to get his power level higher.
Grok'Maw as soon as he reaches level 110 (I don't know WoW levels)
I rather him go full Hakumen.
I mean its true. The Orcs from most perspectives should beat the tar out of most enemies, and if the war song were as good at logistics as they were at raiding and stabbing then they probably would.
Back then we were going to go fight the scourge and we didn't know OOC that two major alliance factions were controlled by enemy infiltrators
Grok's got the intrigue of an concussed Rhino, if someone exposes him I doubt it'll be us
By my understanding of things Drek Thar would likely approve of our attempts to make nice with the humans, since he's got a lot of guilt about things like that.
If I would choose differently when IIRC I wasn't there until after the scarlet crusade was chosen I'd pick finding the storm reavers or going to troll country. The former allows getting more necrolytes while the latter helps the horde or it's likely allies because they're trolls.Back then we were going to go fight the scourge and we didn't know OOC that two major alliance factions were controlled by enemy infiltrators
Still I wonder what effect this will have on the Lich King's plans long term? The scourge has always been rather magical logistics IMO, but I always thought that they were generating new corpses primarily from the plague lands, what with northrend not exactly being the most populous place in the world. Sure there's plenty of dragon skeletons and ice crown makes for great storage, but a majority of new bodies presumably have to come from somewhere with more people breathing still.
Though I'd be unsurprised if there's a general look away from the scourge since the plague lands were also their major outpost beyond Northrend so people are likely less inclined to pay attention to them until they become a problem again...mmm maybe plague 2.0?
Furthermore, fingers crossed the forsaken being closer to the rest of the horde lets them integrate better and stops that plague doctor from making plague v2.0.
I thought you were there and you wanted to go to the tomb of Sargarus (which frankly I also want to go too now that I'm slightly more confident we can handle it.)
I think I started joining after that one.
Opposed to finding the necrolytes, would be interested in trying to blow up the tomb and ensure the avatar within is destroyed, what with it being a ticking time bomb.
That was the objective of the option. Find if the stormreavers survive and see if they want to come back into the fold. If the tomb is found mark it but leave it alone for later.
My main hope is by being useful, it'll make them amendable towards negotiating orcs and horde co. squatting especially by getting friendly relation with people higher up on the totem pole to consider the question of horde members settling in the EK.
Vark has brought the very valid point up that Orcs commanding large diverse forces are warchiefs, they are commanders of multiple clans etc. This doesn't however automaticlaly make you a claimant to the warchief title, of which currently there's Rend and Thrall.
Depends! I won't be massively clear here because I don't really want to give away loads about
well I know where to go once we deal with our current foe/s
