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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Retrueno said:
If with AV we can make 8 Orbs of sorcery, would it be possible for an Elven High Mage to do something similar with AV but instead of creating 8 Orbs of Sorcery creating something akin to a Mega Orb of Sorcery with the 8 Winds weaved together (in a similar way to High Magic)?
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Depends on if there's a patch of reality strong enough to handle directly squeezing AV. You can't just leave it to drip on a preexisting Power Stone the way we can with Orbs, because that doesn't exist.
 
Boney said:
With the causing explosions portion of the experiment hopefully behind you, you turn to the Rune of Sanctuary. Testing it proves very difficult, as the effect is distributed throughout an area instead of being concentrated on a single subject. A series of long, frustrating tests later confirms that however the Rune of Sanctuary works, its effects do not have any effect that you can notice on the Vitae itself, as it remains just as reactive as ever. But on the bright side, it doesn't show any negative effects from its exposure to the Rune, and you confirm that it does add an additional layer of resistance to storage vessels, which you make a note of as a way to reduce the likelihood of inadvertent reactions.
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Well a Rune of Sanctuary might work for strengthening reality, or some other similar Rune at least. Should be easy to test, just need to discover if more exertion is required for AV to be pushed into the liminal. Maybe Mathilde should commission something.

Maybe a Rune of Sanctuary would also work for liminal realm defense.

Might also want to get the Rune for the weakened reality in the Room of Calamity.
 
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Boney said:
of all the promises and threats that have been whispered into the ears of the greatest and most terrible of champions, none have removed so many of their competitors from the greatest of tournaments than you."
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...tournaments as you?
Eventful!
Boney said:
Morality aside, that offer is just insulting.
Chlof said:
Hell yeah, that's our girl.
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Our early career Stewardship grinding pays off again.
Boney said:
Stewardship: 13+3+2+1=19 - You've developed an intuitive grasp of business, exchange and logistics.
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Rockeye said:
Fuck with the deepest nature of unreality for long enough and you'll eventually find a daemon, I guess.
Boney said:
He smiles. "Look on the bright side. We get to slit open reality's underside and meddle with the steaming guts that spill forth, and we're no longer burned at the stake for it.
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Algard: "I didn't mean literally!"

But we should follow Wolf's good example.
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He had a few moments of abrupt alarm, then it all got filed under 'under control' and 'not my problem'.
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[x] [COLLEGE] Nothing
[x] [BELEGAR] Nothing
Semi-approval of
[x] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen

It's of very dubious gain to allow the influence of the Tzeentch demon to spread, so we should choose to act as if it didn't speak to us at all.
 
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Imugi said:
Might also want to get the Rune for the weakened reality in the Room of Calamity.
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Boney confirmed that that one was essentially destroyed and that reality will heal from the process. But the idea of experimenting using the Rune of Sanctuary is still worthwhile, yeah (or the other two magic-repelling/destroying runes).
 
Hmmmm... I was thinking of how we could counter this demon's bullshit about 'talking in the past' and I figure: What are words spoken to you in the past? A memory. And we are a Grey Wizard, in a college of Grey Wizards.

All I figure we need to do to fix this stupid mess is ask our buddy Ranald to perform some open soul surgery on us to get rid of the soul parasite that is the Fated trait, then go to the Grey College, tell them what we heard and just ask them to remove our memory of what it said to us so we can just go about our business as normal without compromised judgement/second guessing ourself.

@Boney Would this work?
 
Zako said:
Hmmmm... I was thinking of how we could counter this demon's bullshit about 'talking in the past' and I figure: What are words spoken to you in the past? A memory. And we are a Grey Wizard, in a college of Grey Wizards.

All I figure we need to do to fix this stupid mess is ask our buddy Ranald to perform some open soul surgery on us to get rid of the soul parasite that is the Fated trait, then go to the Grey College, tell them what we heard and just ask them to remove our memory of what it said to us so we can just go about our business as normal without compromised judgement/second guessing ourself.

@Boney Would this work?
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To the extent of our knowledge, the Grey College cannot arbitrarily remove specific memories - I recall a great deal of discussion regarding the limitations of Mindhole, which specifically can only remove the target's memories of the caster (and those only within a recent window). If a spell exists with greater flexibility/selectivity, it's someone's personal work (or an extremely useful Mindhole mastery, I suppose) which has yet to show up or be mentioned.
 
Wiadi said:
To the extent of our knowledge, the Grey College cannot arbitrarily remove specific memories - I recall a great deal of discussion regarding the limitations of Mindhole, which specifically can only remove the target's memories of the caster (and those only within a recent window). If a spell exists with greater flexibility/selectivity, it's someone's personal work (or an extremely useful Mindhole mastery, I suppose) which has yet to show up or be mentioned.
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Conspiracy of Silence would say that they CAN in fact remove specific memories, given that they did exactly that to us with the existence of the Skaven.
 
Zako said:
Conspiracy of Silence would say that they CAN in fact remove specific memories, given that they did exactly that to us with the existence of the Skaven.
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Not necessarily. For all we know they've figured out a way to insert memories that can be brought up by trigger. We don't actually know the memory packet Mathilde has was originally her own memory. Even if it is Msthilde's memory, all it would take is getting someone she'd never met before to tell her the contents of a packet and then Mindhole her. Mathilde's done something pretty similar when she was infiltrating Count von Stolpe way back near the begiining of the quest.
 
Zako said:
Conspiracy of Silence would say that they CAN in fact remove specific memories, given that they did exactly that to us with the existence of the Skaven.
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deathofrats0808 said:
Not necessarily. For all we know they've figured out a way to insert memories that can be brought up by trigger. We don't actually know the memory packet Mathilde has was originally her own memory. Even if it is Msthilde's memory, all it would take is getting someone she'd never met before to tell her the contents of a packet and then Mindhole her. Mathilde's done something pretty similar when she was infiltrating Count von Stolpe way back near the begiining of the quest.
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I went ahead & dug up the relevant section & it seems to support the second theory pretty well:
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"Thaggoraki," you repeat, half to yourself. You've heard that word before. "Beastmen?"

He opens his mouth to reply, then pauses. "While 'aye' would not be incorrect," he says thoughtfully, "It doesn't quite communicate the nature of the vermin. The beastmen that lurk in the woods of your Empire are a very different breed to those that burrow beneath the earth. They are ratmen, boundless in number; in your tongue, they are called Skaven."

The words echo unpleasantly in your head, and grow. A thought unfolds uncomfortably in your mind, and you're taken back to a day forgotten some fifteen years ago. A voice, unfamiliar to you, droning in a bored voice. "Number thirty-two. The Ratmen and the Conspiracy of Silence. If you believe you are accessing this memory in error, please contact the Grey College at your earliest convenience."
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Note that Mathilde isn't just remembering the information, she's remembering being spoken to by a particular person. The logical assumption is that said person then used a variant Mindhole on her which simply locks the memory until a particular condition is met, rather than deleting it entirely. Whether that's a Mastery or some other trick, it by no means requires a bypass of Mindhole's central restriction.
 
It could be mindhole cast by someone she hadn't met yet, or doesn't mind being forgotten.

Or maybe some interaction between mindhole and the forgettable Mark.
Maybe having that mark and disguising your other recognisable features (voice, clothes) could work?
 
IronFist said:
It could be mindhole cast by someone she hadn't met yet, or doesn't mind being forgotten.

Or maybe some interaction between mindhole and the forgettable Mark.
Maybe having that mark and disguising your other recognisable features (voice, clothes) could work?
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...why would any of that be necessary? You can be Mindholed by someone you recognize & continue to recognize them, you just won't remember your most recent interaction.
 
Zako said:
Hmmmm... I was thinking of how we could counter this demon's bullshit about 'talking in the past' and I figure: What are words spoken to you in the past? A memory. And we are a Grey Wizard, in a college of Grey Wizards.

All I figure we need to do to fix this stupid mess is ask our buddy Ranald to perform some open soul surgery on us to get rid of the soul parasite that is the Fated trait, then go to the Grey College, tell them what we heard and just ask them to remove our memory of what it said to us so we can just go about our business as normal without compromised judgement/second guessing ourself.

@Boney Would this work?
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There's nothing to remove from our soul, the Fated skill exists because Tzeentch put Mathilde on a "whitelist" for His sorcery. Mathilde herself is unchanged, it's the magic itself that Tzeentch changed.

Also, asking Ranald to perform soul surgery is just asking for Him to steal our soul and keep it forever.

Edit: also, I'm concerned by the number of people who think the solution is to bury our head in the sand and pretend this never happened. It did happen, and forgetting it isn't going to change that at all.
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
There's nothing to remove from our soul, the Fated skill exists because Tzeentch put Mathilde on a "whitelist" for His sorcery. Mathilde herself is unchanged, it's the magic itself that Tzeentch changed.

Also, asking Ranald to perform soul surgery is just asking for Him to steal our soul and keep it forever.

Edit: also, I'm concerned by the number of people who think the solution is to bury our head in the sand and pretend this never happened. It did happen, and forgetting it isn't going to change that at all.
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Vampirism or a similarly radical transformation that Tzeench would find distasteful might work.
 
Completely ignoring the daemon and its words and moving on as if nothing happened without a care is very much a valid way of dealing with the daemon. All the daemon could do is tell us things. If we could completely ignore that it happened and act completely as if it didn't whatever the daemon was trying to do would fail.

Tzeentch could apply the Fated 'trait' whether or not we spoke to the daemon, and, indeed, may well have already done so well before this event and we just learned about it as this is the first time we observed Tzeentchian sorcery since we became one of the potential Everchosen candidates.
 
Alratan said:
Completely ignoring the daemon and its words and moving on as if nothing happened without a care is very much a valid way of dealing with the daemon. All the daemon could do is tell us things. If we could completely ignore that it happened and act completely as if it didn't whatever the daemon was trying to do would fail.

Tzeentch could apply the Fated 'trait' whether or not we spoke to the daemon, and, indeed, may well have already done so well before this event and we just learned about it as this is the first time we observed Tzeentchian sorcery since we became one of the potential Everchosen candidates.
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Ignoring the demon is a "valid" strategy as in we can "try it and find out", but I would very much not "find out" what would happen in such a circumstance.

You seem to be under the assumption that if we do "nothing", then "nothing" will happen to us at all, which I think is a very dangerous assumption to make.
 
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