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[x] [BELEGAR] Nothing
[x] [COLLEGE] Nothing

We certainly haven't disclosed all the sketchy things we've done, but this particular sketchy thing has left a daemonic trait on our character sheet that might come up later, so it's best that we do all the reporting and checking we can ASAP, so that evidence of our misdeeds doesn't doom us later.
I'd like to point out that we've also been to the Chaos Wastes super recently and no one's examined us since then.

We've got a built in alibi.
 
Guys, I'm having a big brain thought right now. How about we do that Morb thing and keep the Morbs till Mathilde finished her Big Book of AV. In that time between creating the Morbs and finishing the Big Book of AV, Mathilde will have access to a full set of Orbs of Sorcery, something that few in the colleges have had access to. Maybe during that time Mathilde could also write a paper on "The Nature of the Winds of Magic". Mathilde probably has enough or will have enough by the time she finishes her Big Book of AV to write it.

Here's a thought, AV turns into the Winds, then into a liminal realm when powerstone methods are applied. Powerstones make it easier to do Wind things. Morbs are very powerful powerstones. So we keep the Morbs for a time for easier and effective reasearch into the liminal.
 
I do not normally do this but I feel it's warranted this time. This is terrible reasoning on Mathilde's part, so spacious you could pass a fully loaded Norscan war mammoth through the gaps. It assumes
  1. The utterly devoid of any timing warning from a demon adds something significant to the picture
  2. There exist other signs that form the picture and someone is collating them meaningfully
  3. This could be done in a timely manner
  4. That the literal seer demon would not have foreseen the possibility and thus simply kept silent
I do not have words for how unspeakably optimistic this is. Are we sure Mathilde is not suffering some kind of temporary mental contamination from Tzeench's poisoned version of Hope? :V

Mathilde is presenting what would hopefully be the consequences of taking one course of action because that's how all this works, I present the options to the thread and say what the reasons might be to take them and then it's the thread's job to balance the risks and rewards and identify the possible pitfalls. I didn't have her say 'the Greater Daemon of Tzeentch might be up to something!' or 'the Empire might not be perfectly competent!' in the same way that I didn't have her say that the sky is blue and the water is wet.
 
For God's sake, we even told him when a literal evil god possessed us. Compared to just talking to a demon, it's small potatoes.
See, the thing I hate about this argumeny, is that because we rolled a NAT100 people forget telling Belegar was entirely a mistake whose consequences we avoided no one noticed that. Do you realy think we should take an action on the basis that last time we did something like this a nat 100 avoid all the negative consequences while getting us nothing so we can totally do it again ?

I definitely feel the Nothing/Nothing vote, in the name of infohazard containment, but that's almost certainly a trap.
See, that is what worries me the most, the obvious trap is to keep secrets right ? Because that is always the mistake people make in these situations ? And the Daemon even dared us, multiple times, to keep this secret, that acting like a grey wizard is how we save the world, because reverse psychology never works right ?
If the trap is obvious, it is not the one Tzeentch plans to snare you with.
 
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [BELEGAR] Nothing
[X] [COLLEGE] Nothing
 
[X] [BELEGAR] Greater Daemon
[X] [BELEGAR] Weakening of reality
[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening

[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
 
[x] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
[x] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening

This seems reasonable to me. We're giving a dubious data point to the colleges, which can then be compared to all the other dubious data points so that a pattern can emerge, and we're informing a king who highly respects us that yes, we had an oopsy-woopsy in his kingdom, but we dealt with it and all that's left is a small amount of collateral damage.

Belegar is sensible. He knows that human magic is unreliable. This sort of thing is a matter of time when you let wizards live in your hold, and by coming forwards and normalising reporting this as the most senior wizard present we make it so that the other wizards who live here no longer have to worry about hiding their mistakes.

Kragg will be disappointed, but when is he not disappointed. If anything, he's going to love it as it's an opportunity to say "I told you so".
 
Mathilde is presenting what would hopefully be the consequences of taking one course of action because that's how all this works, I present the options to the thread and say what the reasons might be to take them and then it's the thread's job to balance the risks and rewards and identify the possible pitfalls. I didn't have her say 'the Greater Daemon of Tzeentch might be up to something!' or 'the Empire might not be perfectly competent!' in the same way that I didn't have her say that the sky is blue and the water is wet.

The part seemed fantastical to me was when she was talking about sending troops to Cathay or Nagaroth, a political and logistical effort that is hard to even contemplate given the decentralized nature of the Empire and its military capabilities. To be more clear I do not think even a perfectly competent Empire could do this and never mind the Diabolus Ex Machina that is the Lord of Change.
 
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See, the thing I hate about this argumeny, is that because we rolled a NAT100 people forget telling Belegar was entirely a mistake whose consequences we avoided no one noticed that. Do you realy think we should take an action on the basis that last time we did something like this a nat 100 avoid all the negative consequences while getting us nothing so we can totally do it again ?

You are taking that nat100 in a vacuum. It represents multiple things—Gunnars being a highly skilled priest, Kragg and Belegar trusting him, Gunnars noticing our soul was intact. All of those things are still true. We don't need another nat100—the possibility space has shifted so that original "nat100" is now the baseline expectation of reality.
 
You are taking that nat100 in a vacuum. It represents multiple things—Gunnars being a highly skilled priest, Kragg and Belegar trusting him, Gunnars noticing our soul was intact. All of those things are still true. We don't need another nat100—the possibility space has shifted so that original "nat100" is now the baseline expectation of reality.
It doesn't work that way, you are basicaly saying that because we survived swiming with sharks once we will surely do so every time.
Let me use another example from that time with the dispelling of the waagh, yes we got a trait that makes it more likely to repeat the event, but is never a sure thing. In the same vein we have better chances now that we are more trusted, but if it wasa mistake then, and is likely a mistake now, why repeat it when we know the best result is that we survive a mistake ?
That is the question I have for you, why it is less a mistake now to swin with sharks for no reason just because we gained some chaimail ?
 
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The part seemed fantastical to me was when she was talking about sending troops to Cathay or Nagaroth, a political and logistical effort that is hard to even contemplate given the decentralized nature of the Empire and its military capabilities. To be more clear I do not think even a perfectly competent Empire could do this and never mind the Diabolus Ex Machina that is the Lord of Change.
And if it turns out to be nothing - there's nothing to say that an Everchosen will always attack the Old World, and several theorists in the field believe that Naggaroth and Cathay have received the brunt of at least a couple - then those armies can go and proactively stamp out a few nascent lesser threats
She didn't suggest that?
 
The part seemed fantastical to me was when she was talking about sending troops to Cathay or Nagaroth, a political and logistical effort that is hard to even contemplate given the decentralized nature of the Empire and its military capabilities. To be more clear I do not think even a perfectly competent Empire could do this and never mind the Diabolus Ex Machina that is the Lord of Change.

She didn't talk about sending troops to Cathay or Naggaroth though, she mentioned that if the Empire built up its armies up and the Everchosen threat never materialized they would just go stomp on some local threat because it's not like the Empire (or Kislev) suffer from a dearth of problems.
 
[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen, Daemon, and Mathilde's candidacy

Communication is the greatest superpower.
 
The part seemed fantastical to me was when she was talking about sending troops to Cathay or Nagaroth, a political and logistical effort that is hard to even contemplate given the decentralized nature of the Empire and its military capabilities. To be more clear I do not think even a perfectly competent Empire could do this and never mind the Diabolus Ex Machina that is the Lord of Change.
I think the idea was more "if the Everchosen shows up in Naggaroth or Cathay and is therefore Not Our Problem, the troops can be used on less-catastrophic local threats instead."

Edit: whoops, very ninja'd - sorry to pile on.
 
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It would be funny if after the butterflies the thirteenth Everchosen was a Skaven.

Well, less funny and more very fucking problematic, but you get what I mean.
 
It doesn't work that way, you are basicaly saying that because we survived swiming with sharks once we will surely do so every time.
It's not the same thing. It's like we jumped into a pool that may have been full of sharks, but the dice decided that it was full of dolphins instead. Now, we know there's only dolphins in there so we can jump in it.
 
[ ] [BELEGAR] Weakening of reality
I think it's very important that the runesmiths know that using runes to overly compress the AV we've been giving them for their anvils can lead to this result.

Additional thoughts:
  • engage the "roll dice because Tzeentch can't predict truly random rolls" protocols
  • Our home is literally pierced through by the Sword, so let's not forget we're under the constant judging gaze of at least one dwarven Ancestor God
 
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