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I may have misunderstood. I remember that the Waystones of the Dwarven network looked exclusively Dwarven, but maybe that was just in the sense of decoration. What I do remember is that they don't feed into the Vortex like usual. But maybe that too is a misunderstanding and they just do so at the end after having wringed out every last scrap of magic needed to power the Great Works and such?
From 'A Tide Turns':
During the Golden Age, the Elves of Ulthuan built the Waystone network to control and redirect the leylines of the Old Ones, pouring magic from across the world into Ulthuan to drain it into the Great Vortex. The Karaz Ankor joined them in this endeavour, and the High Magic of Ulthuan joined with the arts of Grungni and Thungni to increase the power of the Waystone network. These are the events known to many scholars of history, among Elves and Dwarves and even men. But to those who know the Dwarves, a question might present itself: what payment did the Karaz Ankor receive for their service? For the pride of the Dawi would not allow them to work for free.

The answer: not all the redirected leylines flowed towards Ulthuan. Each Karak was transformed into an enormous Waystone, and all magic, whether ambient and benign or the shaped power of the spellcasters of other races, would be absorbed into the leylines and redirected to the mighty and ancient Runic arrays at the heart of Karaz-a-Karak, which would shackle and transform the magic into the energy of Runecraft. Which in turn would power the Great Works left behind by the Ancestor-Gods.
Emphasis mine. They might be exlusively dwarven in the sense that the energy they gather is used exclusively by the dwarves, but the fact that the Karak Waystones were the elves payment to the dwarves means that the dwarves must have required elven assistance to create them.
 
I may have misunderstood. I remember that the Waystones of the Dwarven network looked exclusively Dwarven, but maybe that was just in the sense of decoration. What I do remember is that they don't feed into the Vortex like usual. But maybe that too is a misunderstanding and they just do so at the end after having wringed out every last scrap of magic needed to power the Great Works and such?

Manhavok was also mentioned before in passing when Mathilde told Panoramia that she never learned how to swim back during their first romantic date.

Keep in mind that when we turned off a dwarf stone in order to free Vlag we did so with elf commends and they worked fine. I think that is as clear a signal as we will every get that elves were involved in its making. Otherwise even back in the Golden Age I cannot think o any reason why the runesmiths would give the elves a code to turn off one of their sole workings.
 
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Little to no change with only the elf vote being contentious. So we will either have a magical theorist or the Heir. There is only a 8 vote difference between them.
 
Dang, I really want the heir. I think they'll help lend a lot of legitimacy and political connections—if we need to recruit another house, they could help us navigate the web of alliances throughout Laurelorn, if we need to talk to the Queens council they'll tell us the right person to speak to, they'll be able to pay for resources out of the family vault etc...

I mean, the theorist will be useful as well, and sounds interesting (some sort of scientist who worships the goddess of magic???), but the heir wins out for me based on their non-magic utility they'll bring.
 
I see the hier helping us with bias political knowledge and hurting us recruiting other elf houses. Because elf politics are always portrayed as Byzantine. So I figure there is a elf house that will not help us for working with there rival. Or centuries ago they were insulted and will not help because unless they receive compensation. But maybe these eleves are as petty as other eleves.
 
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I see the hier helping us with bias political knowledge and hurting us recruiting other elf houses. Because elf politics are always portrayed as Byzantine. So I figure there is a elf house that will not help us for working with there rival. Or centuries ago they were insulted and will not help because unless they receive compensation. But maybe these eleves are as petty as other eleves.
Or seeing a heir of a rival house working on a project makes you want in no matter what because clearly there is something going on and you want to know what, and at no situation should they get the sole credit.
 
Re the political value of the heir, it is worthwhile to remember that just by having House Tindomiel as a part of the project we already have some of that political value. Thus I think the theorist is more useful due to the diversification of Tindomiel's investment.
 
I would hope that Tindomiel would give us some political support no matter who we get on the project, because whoever joins their House is now part of the project. But having someone who actually knows politics well be a part of the project means having someone pay close attention to the political part of the project, which I think we really really need. Currently the only political thing that the project has in the way of Eonir political connections is Johann's friendship with Kadoh, which isn't nothing, but Kadoh isn't exactly the sharpest political operator and in any case he's not an offical part of the project or anything like that. We have currently recruited exactly zero people for political reasons, and while I get that a lot of people don't enjoy politics and just want us to get cool magical lore we should really consider recruiting at least one person from a Great House to help us navigate the politics of Laurelorn.
Speaking of old friends, I really want to see Anton again. He's a genuinely good guy, and kind of a little brother to Mathilde.
We got to see Anton and Roswita during the Trouble in Talabheim arc, so I'm fine spending our social AP on other people in the near future.
 
I see the hier helping us with bias political knowledge and hurting us recruiting other elf houses. Because elf politics are always portrayed as Byzantine. So I figure there is a elf house that will not help us for working with there rival. Or centuries ago they were insulted and will not help because unless they receive compensation. But maybe these eleves are as petty as other eleves.

The Eonir have been trapped inside a tiny political ecosystem for thousands of years. If they were so quick to create animosity between each other, they would have destroyed each other ages ago.

Instead, there is a very delicate balance of push and pull, give and take, where everyone has to play carefully with each other, lest they be ostracised and starved out.

Just because they are elves doesn't mean they are backstabbing Machiavellians. They can't afford it.
 
The Eonir have been trapped inside a tiny political ecosystem for thousands of years. If they were so quick to create animosity between each other, they would have destroyed each other ages ago.

Instead, there is a very delicate balance of push and pull, give and take, where everyone has to play carefully with each other, lest they be ostracised and starved out.

Just because they are elves doesn't mean they are backstabbing Machiavellians. They can't afford it.
And the head of House Tindomiel knows the politics of the Eonir better than we do. If he thought his heir joining the project would make a Great House flip their vote and kill the project, he wouldn't make that offer.
 
@Boney What's Mathilde's source on Thyrolian caring about Waystones and Echtelion being more open but also more racist towards Humans?
 
@Boney What's Mathilde's source on Thyrolian caring about Waystones and Echtelion being more open but also more racist towards Humans?

Queen Marrisith's notes that she left for Mathilde:

It's not hard to find the promised notes, as they sit upon the mantelpiece in an otherwise empty room. You sit cross-legged in front of the fireplace and begin to read. Near the top is a helpfully-labelled map of Tor Lithanel, including nearby shops for things like food and furniture and, you note with a suddenly dry mouth, books. It explains that with the extinction of House Elwyn, this 'Major House' - apparently referring to the actual structure - has reverted to the crown's control, though the vote it held does not. Also noted are the major powers of Laurelorn that would be most relevant to your project, with carefully polite and long-winded descriptions that you mentally distil into the salient details and winnow into the most promising possible partners.

Major House Thyriolan: Originally from Saphery, and one of the two Major Houses influential in the Temple of Hoeth. They were and presumably still are against involvement with human affairs, but do agree that the waning Waystone network is a major concern for Laurelorn.
Major House Ecthelion: Originally from Saphery, and one of the two Major Houses influential in the Temple of Hoeth. They're less stringently against involvement with the Empire than House Thyriolan, but unlike House Thyriolan they do look down upon humanity.
Major House Tindomiel: Originally from Saphery, and one of the two Major Houses influential in the Temple of... Hekarti? Isn't she a Druchii Goddess? Well, they did vote in favour of interaction with the Empire so they might be a better option for a magically-inclined Major House to bring into the project than the two Hoethian ones.
Major House Fanpatar: The House of Prince Galenstra, a formerly Yvressian House that dominates the worship of Ladrielle. Less scholarly than the previous houses, perhaps, but the Prince did seem open to the idea, practically-minded, and curious about human and Dwarven inventions.
Major House Ellemakil: A formerly Avelornian House, and one that has recently come to dominate the fledgling Temple of Ulric. Presumably they are the House most enthusiastic about cooperating with humans.
Major House Malforric: With the extinction of House Elwyn, House Malforric now dominates the worship of Asuryan. They are also the Warden of the Sun. This makes them second only to the Queen in power, which would make them very useful to get on your side. However, they are possibly the most isolationist Major House in the entire city.
 
Queen Marrisith's notes that she left for Mathilde:
looking at the list I think these are house we should at least attempt to get onboard

Major House Thyriolan they know magic things, have a intrest in waystone so would be able to help with project and I think the waystone project would be enough to lure them over since they are concerned over it waning in laruoen though enough that it worth a shot

Major House Fanpatar

group that curious about humans and dwarves who want to enage with them more not urgent but really why not bring them onboard(also will help in effort to tie them to other groups)

Major House Ellemakil: A formerly Avelornian House, and one that has recently come to dominate the fledgling Temple of Ulric. Presumably they are the House most enthusiastic about cooperating with humans.

get some nice polictial backing though since their no rush with them
 
[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
-[x] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[x] [REP] Magical Theorist (-2)
-[x] [FORM] Dedication (0)
 
The problem with the Elves in general, and the High Elves in particular (insofar as there is a problem), is the same problem Bretonnia has where Gee-Dubs decided to spend all their fucking ink writing about "muh strong noble Empire and manly tough Dwarfs" because for reasons I will not be going into that's what the fanbase "wanted" (at least according to GW who, I remind you, did not actually do any market research or studies) compounded by the fact that what lore was produced was tonally inconsistent and, I swear, produced by people who did not like the Elves, compounded even further by the anti-Midas Touch of the Dread Ward.

Yes I am coping, seething, and malding, why do you ask? There's a reason I have the opening of elf quest written up as my next project once I finish up An Empire or Hearts Cold.
 
The problem with the Elves in general, and the High Elves in particular (insofar as there is a problem), is the same problem Bretonnia has where Gee-Dubs decided to spend all their fucking ink writing about "muh strong noble Empire and manly tough Dwarfs" because for reasons I will not be going into that's what the fanbase "wanted" (at least according to GW who, I remind you, did not actually do any market research or studies) compounded by the fact that what lore was produced was tonally inconsistent and, I swear, produced by people who did not like the Elves, compounded even further by the anti-Midas Touch of the Dread Ward.

Yes I am coping, seething, and malding, why do you ask? There's a reason I have the opening of elf quest written up as my next project once I finish up An Empire or Hearts Cold.
I feel like people would be way more open to Elves here if we somehow unlocked their Favor. But that would probably have to be when we eventually go to Nagarythe (the 'elfcation' I've heard a bit about).
 
Mathilde is very much treated as a outsider here. Before she was also so helpful advisor who made deals, did great deeds, saved lives, brought wealth, and just was valuable to have. Here she has spent all or most of their time just getting people to go along and not really interacted with everyone on a daily bases. Than there is the fact that she is dealing with eleves.
 
Also the fact that we have not even started to do anything.
Give a few turns of us actually doing things, instead of getting ready to do things, and maybe we can start gaining a reputation as something more than a weird outsider how may or may not turn out useful.
 
looking at the list I think these are house we should at least attempt to get onboard

Major House Thyriolan they know magic things, have a intrest in waystone so would be able to help with project and I think the waystone project would be enough to lure them over since they are concerned over it waning in laruoen though enough that it worth a shot

I think they might be a little less likely to help us now that we went to the Hekratians. Given that they are diametrically different ways of using magic I would guess we are dealing with some kind of rivalry there. I do not think it would be just pique either, they would not want to hand out their secrets to Timonel... who were also invited first.
 
Mathilde is very much treated as a outsider here. Before she was also so helpful advisor who made deals, did great deeds, saved lives, brought wealth, and just was valuable to have. Here she has spent all or most of their time just getting people to go along and not really interacted with everyone on a daily bases. Than there is the fact that she is dealing with eleves.
Well, imagine if some Elf-friend Lord Magister were to try and start some kind of project in Zhufbar or something. You know, after wiping out a horde of Beastmen and finding a lost Elven island.

Our only reputation among the Elves is stuff we did elsewhere for other people and their assumption that we have access to Waystone lore that they don't.
 
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