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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Ericwinter said:
Fair.

…And now I'm imagining Mathilde sitting in her office or room or whatever, giving Drycha reading lessons with random romance novels. Then helping her learn to write as she struggles with holding a quill in her weird tree hands.

Where would we get the skin though?
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Chaos worshipers!

They probably have plenty on hand.

edit: Dang zombies are a pretty good answer as well.
 
@Boney Gehenna's Golden Hounds is listed as a purchasable option under Battle Magic Enchantments. Are the Hounds bound to the enchanter's soul, or to the enchanted object? And if the latter, is that viable in the current scenario?
 
ReImagined said:
@Boney Gehenna's Golden Hounds is listed as a purchasable option under Battle Magic Enchantments. Are the Hounds bound to the enchanter's soul, or to the enchanted object? And if the latter, is that viable in the current scenario?
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Ohhh yeah that's not something I'd considered, but yeah binding her to an object or something would be significantly safer than binding her to our soul.

Also, if we get annoyed with her we can just toss the object into a volcano.
 
QTesseract said:
Article 50 (and a few of the following ones) of the Geneva convention on Prisoners of War delineate what forms of labor a country is allowed to have prisoners of war perform. Us getting Qretch to translate queekish is a violation, as even if he did agree to do it without coercion it was under false pretenses.

The Karaz Ankor and the Skaven are still at war. Even in rl, the laws of war don't require you to let enemy combatants rejoin their armies during the conflict.

If there's no international agreement on the rules of war, you can't commit a war crime by violating them, although that doesn't mean it can't be eg normal crime. The difference is a question of obligation - there exists things that are, in a vaccum, moral, but are not so when you've agreed not to. For instance, the geneva convention makes explicit how much you must pay prisoners of war, but that doesn't mean that everyone who paid less than that prior to their codification was evil. Moreover, parts of the conventions specifically have outs for when the other party doesn't follow them - the geneva conventions are not a suicide pact - so the fact that the skaven are not signatories and do not follow that is also relevant, not just the status of the Karaz Ankor.
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I don't think laws are equivalent to morals, influential to each other sure. I know nothing of war crimes to be perfectly transparent, I know broad strokes and that's it. But in arguing morals what makes paying 100% moral but paying 95% immoral? In that case it's immoral for the reason of breaking the letter of the law than the spirit. The sentiment of the thing is more of what I'm talking of.

I'm saying Qrech's circumstances are not squeaky clean, that good things and bad things don't cancel each other out. Giving Qrech a life of luxury does not mean he's in heaven, that he's still a prisoner in the literal sense if not in sentiment, and that there is immorality inherent in it. I don't think characters have to be paragons, and it's not like I think about this and dislike the character for it. I saw a line people didn't want to cross and wondered where was in it in the line between Drycha and Qrech.

The sentiment has been that they are nothing alike at all so I did get an answer.

Execute/Dumbo said:
Iirc that is actually possible, if taboo due to all the cursed tomes made out of human skin. Might be a little side-eyed, but hey, sometimes compromises need to be made for getting info directly from the claws of an ancient tree spirit!
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You mentioned claws, just take the easy way and go through the etching route. Stone and mud is everywhere and I'll be damned if she's not dexterous. Metal tips have been invented also to solve blunt claws.
 
GrimTheMad said:
Learning magic from someone who wants you dead is... Well I'm sure there are worse ideas.

I can't currently think of any, mind, but they must exist.
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Telling khorne his skull throne is lame to his face.

Telling Slaanesh that their not very desirable at all to their face.

Telling Tzeentch his plans are all wrong and any grade schooler could do better to his face.

Etc
 
ReImagined said:
@Boney Gehenna's Golden Hounds is listed as a purchasable option under Battle Magic Enchantments. Are the Hounds bound to the enchanter's soul, or to the enchanted object? And if the latter, is that viable in the current scenario?
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The object.

ReImagined said:
And if the latter, is that viable in the current scenario?
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Mathilde can't build an enchantment right here and now to try to bind Drycha to, but it is theoretically possible to rebind a being from soul to object.
 
[X] Bind

For science!

Also if this succeeds we have no excuse to keep delaying our research into the ulgu version of golden hounds.
 
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Byzantine said:
But more seriously lets please not try to Bind her. We have no practical experience, no idea what will happen, and yeah.
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But isn't that the heart of what magic- what Ulgu- really is?

To take stupid gambles for vast knowledge and power?

We stand on the shoulders of giants, but to transcend Teclis, nay, to transcend Hoeth himself, we must embark to survive being even more insane in our pursuit of knowledge!
 
I mean, look at the Grey Order's whole thing about practicality (Vow of Poverty included). All the wealth and knowledge and other forms of power in the world are useless or worse than useless if not put to service for the greater good.
 
GrimTheMad said:
Learning magic from someone who wants you dead is... Well I'm sure there are worse ideas.

I can't currently think of any, mind, but they must exist.
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It's funny, all the examples I can think of from canon involve Dark Elves.

Nagash learned Dark Magic from Dark Elf raiders that had run aground in Nehekhara and been taken prisoner. Worked out pretty well for him (though resoundingly terrible for the world at large)

Ariel learned Dark Magic from Morathi when she invaded Naggaroth for revenge*, captured her, and was convinced to let her go in return for said lesson with the belief that it would let her permanently kill Morghur. She basically went insane for a few centuries (which drove all of Athel Loren into a murderous frenzy that massacred people all around Athel Loren) before the ancient Treeman Adanhu sacrificed himself to bring her back to sanity.

Call it a mixed bag.


*Morathi tricked a High Elf force into killing Ariel's sister, who was Malekith's wife and was trying to return to him
 
Execute/Dumbo said:
Nope, that's Hysh, which seeks discovery and the instant of enlightenment. This is complete and utter insanity, hubris of the highest order. Doing this is Mathilde putting her arm out to the world and saying 'have at it!' to its meat tenderiser.

I, uh, say this, also voting for Bind.
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Yeah, it's a terrible idea, but I'm mostly here to have fun, and it seems like it would be a lot of fun.

silentorphan said:
I'm pretty sure if she really wanted to do this, Mathilde would've stopped following the Articles a long time ago.
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I disagree, the only thing she could've really done in this vein is use Dhar magic, and she knows with certainty that Dhar magic would drive her insane.
Magic isn't really much use without your sanity.

Also, Hoeth and Teclis both use High magic, to transcend them would be more like trying to reach the power of the Slann than the power of Nagash.
 
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Yeah, this idea is dumb. Extremely fucking dumb. Under the circumstances. It is, however, a thought I wouldn't mind Mathilde having, not as a "hey, I could maybe enslave that thing", so much as a "hey, forest spirits aren't all that metaphysically different from Apparitions, maybe I should investigate that".
Mopman43 said:
It's funny, all the examples I can think of from canon involve Dark Elves.

Nagash learned Dark Magic from Dark Elf raiders that had run aground in Nehekhara and been taken prisoner. Worked out pretty well for him (though resoundingly terrible for the world at large)

Ariel learned Dark Magic from Morathi when she invaded Naggaroth for revenge*, captured her, and was convinced to let her go in return for said lesson with the belief that it would let her permanently kill Morghur. She basically went insane for a few centuries (which drove all of Athel Loren into a murderous frenzy that massacred people all around Athel Loren) before the ancient Treeman Adanhu sacrificed himself to bring her back to sanity.

Call it a mixed bag.


*Morathi tricked a High Elf force into killing Ariel's sister, who was Malekith's wife and was trying to return to him
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To be fair, those were also both dark magic. That might have had a hand in things.
 
French Cowboy said:
Yeah, it's a terrible idea, but I'm mostly here to have fun, and it seems like it would be a lot of fun.



I disagree, the only thing she could've really done in this vein is use Dhar magic, and she knows with certainty that Dhar magic would drive her insane.
Magic isn't really much use without your sanity.

Also, Hoeth and Teclis both use High magic, to transcend them would be more like trying to reach the power of the Slann than the power of Nagash.
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The Belt means Dhar won't drive her insane.

I'm still not doing it.
 
The other worrisome thing about Bind is that they call them Tree-Daemons. So binding Drycha might fall under the purview of Daemonbinding, which is most definitely a crime of the "Burn them at the stake" variety.
 
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